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[dorktainian]

The crucible.

Mysterious artifact.  Power source.  method of shutting down the mass relays.  Supposedly can kill every reaper.   Shaped like a Mr Microphone.  has rotating sections for some unknown reason.  Is apparently inteligent.....which is amazing for a power source.

Can someone please explain to me in plain english the following?

1.  Since the reapers are thorough in wiping out life forms and removing all traces of their technology, how the hell did an Asari stumble upon it on mars?  In fact how was the design allowed to survive at all?
2.  How the hell did she suppose it was a weapon?  Did it tell her?
3.  why did everyone decide working on this item was a good idea, when nobody really knew what it did?
4.  What the heck was the point of that dome covering the power sphere?
5.  Why didnt the reapers blow it to hell when it arrived at earth?
6.  how did no one question the fact that it was coincidently the right size and shape to link correctly to the citadel - which is reaper tech?
7.  How can an experienced military leader concentrate all his assets on building this thing?
8.  Why did nobody question whether it worked at all?  I dunno maybe a test run?
9.  Why did hackett not load the crudible to hell with high explosives in case it didnt work?
10.  Why didnt we just put cains on our capitol ships....cains are proven reaper killers.

[Linkforlife]

It is not a thing you can comprehend and there is not enough time to explain...

[Village_Idiot]

dorktainian wrote...

1.  Since the reapers are thorough in wiping out life forms and removing all traces of their technology, how the hell did an Asari stumble upon it on mars?  In fact how was the design allowed to survive at all?

This is probably the Reapers' biggest mistake throughout the entire ME trilogy.

If they'd actually been thorough, Illos would have been eradicated, and no beacons or whatnot would have been left lying around for the "young" races to use. Admittedly though, it would have kinda sucked as a narrative if it was just "The Reapers showed up and killed everyone. The End."

[Ithurael]

sry...I can't

You wouldn't know

And there is not enough time to explain.

Modifié par Ithurael, 11 février 2013 - 07:11 .

[themikefest]

One question I like to add is

When T'Soni finds the plans, why didn't she forward the findings to Hackett right away?

7--Hackett is an idiot. Any military leader know you never put all your eggs in one basket. You always have a back-up plan

[LTKerr]

Deus ex machina.

Ups, that's latin.

[CynicalShep]

dorktainian wrote...

The crucible.

Mysterious artifact.  Power source.  method of shutting down the mass relays.  Supposedly can kill every reaper.   Shaped like a Mr Microphone.  has rotating sections for some unknown reason.  Is apparently inteligent.....which is amazing for a power source.

Can someone please explain to me in plain english the following?

1.  Since the reapers are thorough in wiping out life forms and removing all traces of their technology, how the hell did an Asari stumble upon it on mars?  In fact how was the design allowed to survive at all?
2.  How the hell did she suppose it was a weapon?  Did it tell her?
3.  why did everyone decide working on this item was a good idea, when nobody really knew what it did?
4.  What the heck was the point of that dome covering the power sphere?
5.  Why didnt the reapers blow it to hell when it arrived at earth?
6.  how did no one question the fact that it was coincidently the right size and shape to link correctly to the citadel - which is reaper tech?
7.  How can an experienced military leader concentrate all his assets on building this thing?
8.  Why did nobody question whether it worked at all?  I dunno maybe a test run?
9.  Why did hackett not load the crudible to hell with high explosives in case it didnt work?
10.  Why didnt we just put cains on our capitol ships....cains are proven reaper killers.

2. Probably because it supposedly generated a loooot of power. 
3. Desperation. Still doesn't entirely make sense, though
4. Armor. 
5. Because of the fleets and nr.4 (on some playthroughs Reapers do exactly that).
7. The alternative was dying.
8. How would they test it?
9. Would've done FA in space
10. Maybe the payload behaved differently in space?

And no, I don't think anyone can explain the Crucible in plain English. Just about everything about it is just wrong.

Modifié par CynicalShep, 11 février 2013 - 07:15 .

[SeptimusMagistos]

dorktainian wrote...

1.  Since the reapers are thorough in wiping out life forms and removing all traces of their technology, how the hell did an Asari stumble upon it on mars?  In fact how was the design allowed to survive at all?

The fact that the Crucible survives despite the Reapers' efforts is a plot point and the major motivation for the Catalyst's surrender.

dorktainian wrote..
2.  How the hell did she suppose it was a weapon?  Did it tell her?

We don't know what it was she read. Presumbably she was able to figure it out.

dorktainian wrote..
3.  why did everyone decide working on this item was a good idea, when nobody really knew what it did?

It was supposed to be able to defeat the Reapers. Nothing else could. What did they have to lose?

dorktainian wrote..
4.  What the heck was the point of that dome covering the power sphere?

Probably something like a tarp.

dorktainian wrote..
5.  Why didnt the reapers blow it to hell when it arrived at earth?

They tried. That's why the combined fleets have to be there.

dorktainian wrote..
6.  how did no one question the fact that it was coincidently the right size and shape to link correctly to the citadel - which is reaper tech?

Do you mean before or after they knew the Citadel doubled as a Catalyst? If it's before, they obviously didn't figure it out. If it's after, then it's pretty obviously not a coincidence.

dorktainian wrote..
7.  How can an experienced military leader concentrate all his assets on building this thing?

See point 3.

dorktainian wrote..
8.  Why did nobody question whether it worked at all?  I dunno maybe a test run?

I assume whatever tests were possible happened. There's only so much of a 'test run' you can give it without the Caalyst.

dorktainian wrote..
9.  Why did hackett not load the crudible to hell with high explosives in case it didnt work?

How would this even work?

[Mr.House]

Point 1 could also be applied to the conduit and why the Reapers never found it odd there was a relay in the presidium....

Reapers are idiots, always have been.

[The RPGenius]

1 - 8: Poor Writing, with a side of Space Magic
9: What?  Don't be daft.
10: Poor Writing, with a side of Space Magic.


Edited Edit: Knock off the passive-aggressive editing of anything that dares imply that ****ty writing is ****ty writing and grow a pair, Stan.

Modifié par The RPGenius, 13 février 2013 - 03:53 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

dorktainian wrote...
1.  Since the reapers are thorough in wiping out life forms and removing all traces of their technology, how the hell did an Asari stumble upon it on mars?  In fact how was the design allowed to survive at all?

The Reapers and their boss aren't as infallible as they would like us to think, they thought they destroyed the plans, they were wrong. The design survived because Prothean tech is inaccessible to synthetics, hence they need Saren back in ME1 to acces the beconns and find the conduit. Pre Prothean cycles likely had their own safe guards to pass on their information.

2.  How the hell did she suppose it was a weapon?  Did it tell her?

She said she thinks it's a weapon, initially they just called it a device. Prothean notes likely mentioned it was the key to stoping the Reapers

3.  why did everyone decide working on this item was a good idea, when nobody really knew what it did?

Not everyone did, the Council dragged their feet at first, then they got desperate and the long shot seemed like the best option.

4.  What the heck was the point of that dome covering the power sphere?

Proabably so the device wouldn't be damaged in transit.

5.  Why didnt the reapers blow it to hell when it arrived at earth?

The united fleet kept them from doing so.

6.  how did no one question the fact that it was coincidently the right size and shape to link correctly to the citadel - which is reaper tech?

It was designed to interface with Reaper tech, use their own technology agains them. Vendetta tell you as much.

7.  How can an experienced military leader concentrate all his assets on building this thing?

They doesn't he uses most of his assets distracting the Reapers while the scientics build this thing in the background. Conventional means aren't effective, this super weapon might be, only way to know for sure is to build it.

8.  Why did nobody question whether it worked at all?  I dunno maybe a test run?

Test it how? They need the Catalyst to get the thing working.

9.  Why did hackett not load the crudible to hell with high explosives in case it didnt work?

Because that wouldn't have done anything other than blow up the Crucible real good. Kinda a wasted effort if a stray shot from the Reapers sets off the explosives as well.

10.  Why didnt we just put cains on our capitol ships....cains are proven reaper killers.

Cains kill AA guns and unflinished Reapers, possibly destroyers if you hit them in the eye a few times. Soveriegn class Reapers are another matter. Deadnaught/Cruiser weapons > Cain

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 11 février 2013 - 07:28 .

[Ticonderoga117]

dorktainian wrote...
1.  Since the reapers are thorough in wiping out life forms and removing all traces of their technology, how the hell did an Asari stumble upon it on mars?  In fact how was the design allowed to survive at all?
2.  How the hell did she suppose it was a weapon?  Did it tell her?
3.  why did everyone decide working on this item was a good idea, when nobody really knew what it did?
4.  What the heck was the point of that dome covering the power sphere?
5.  Why didnt the reapers blow it to hell when it arrived at earth?
6.  how did no one question the fact that it was coincidently the right size and shape to link correctly to the citadel - which is reaper tech?
7.  How can an experienced military leader concentrate all his assets on building this thing?
8.  Why did nobody question whether it worked at all?  I dunno maybe a test run?
9.  Why did hackett not load the crudible to hell with high explosives in case it didnt work?
10.  Why didnt we just put cains on our capitol ships....cains are proven reaper killers.

1. Because the plot demanded it.
2. Because the plot demanded it. It couldn't be because it was labeled, would of found it earlier then.
3. Because they are really, REALLY, stupid.
4. No reason what-so-ever.
5. Because the Reaper's insane leader changes his mind too often. At one point he wants to use it, the next he wants to destroy it, repeat.
6. Because everyone is stupid.
7. Because the plot demanded it. If we spent time on other ways, we wouldn't be forced into this crap choice at the end.
8. See stupid.
9. Eh, wouldn't consider this an issue.
10. "Because the Reapers are unbeatable! We can only use this stupid plot device!"

[eddieoctane]

I can't explain it in English, and in the time it would take to pronounce one letter of the explanation in the proper dialect, a trillion cosmoses would burst into existence, and wane into eternal night

[Anthadlas]

It's an "I Win" bomb

[FOX216BC]

Apparently nothing more than a powersource?
www.youtube.com/watch

at 5:22

Modifié par FOX216BC, 11 février 2013 - 07:34 .

[Iakus]

Deus ex machina

or, in plain English "God from the machine"

Though I guess "Diabolus ex machina" is more accurate: Devil from the machine

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Your answer is in Italics. I included some ass pulls. Don't argue with me. You will only force me to use more ass pulls.

dorktainian wrote...

The crucible.

Mysterious artifact.  Power source.  method of shutting down the mass relays.  Supposedly can kill every reaper.   Shaped like a Mr Microphone.  has rotating sections for some unknown reason.  Is apparently inteligent.....which is amazing for a power source.

Can someone please explain to me in plain english the following?

1.  Since the reapers are thorough in wiping out life forms and removing all traces of their technology, how the hell did an Asari stumble upon it on mars?  In fact how was the design allowed to survive at all?

* The reapers want to make sure that new races develop along the technological paths they desire, so they don't destroy beacons. They only want you to think they are thorough.

2.  How the hell did she suppose it was a weapon?  Did it tell her?

* The plans for the Crucible were filed under "Potential Superweapon" on the Prothean Index on Mars.

3.  why did everyone decide working on this item was a good idea, when nobody really knew what it did?

* Potential is better than nothing. Hackett said they cannot win this war conventionally and the research team had unlimited funding. Get a team together with unlimited funding and everyone will think it's a good idea.

4.  What the heck was the point of that dome covering the power sphere?

*  There is a reason it is shaped like a Hitachi Magic Wand. It gives the Catalyst the good vibrations of Synthesis.

5.  Why didnt the reapers blow it to hell when it arrived at earth?

*  The Catalyst controls the Reapers. It obviously instructed them not to destroy it. It only threatened Shepard with that to make Shepard hurry and not think about the decision so that Shepard would choose Synthesis.

6.  how did no one question the fact that it was coincidently the right size and shape to link correctly to the citadel - which is reaper tech?

* Yes. It was Reaper Tech. That is why you got the answer, "You would not know them and there isn't time to explain." It is because the Catalyst had Harbinger indoctrinate one of the scientists in an early cycle to design it. The Catalyst deceived you about stamping out the design. Also, the plans said 'attach to Citadel from underside.'

7.  How can an experienced military leader concentrate all his assets on building this thing?

* Because Hackett is an idiot. He gives us 1781 tactics during the main assault, and Coates and Anderson give us 1914 tactics in our ground assault. I kept looking for my Brodie and the Jerries but I could find neither.

8.  Why did nobody question whether it worked at all?  I dunno maybe a test run?

* Well if it did work and it only worked once, you would have been fooked, then, and I'm pretty sure that would have been the case. Although they probably should have just brought it into the Widow system and attached it before it was moved. But then we wouldn't have had the big battle like that and most fleets would have been stranded in their home systems.

9.  Why did hackett not load the crudible to hell with high explosives in case it didnt work?

*  I think a nice big nuke would have been better. Something along the lines of a 20 MT nuke. Yeah, I know space and all that rot, but if you're going to go out, go out big I say. Besides, you would have taken out the Citadel Tower and Starbrat. See the Hackett is an idiot.

This gives one pause about the refuse ending. See the advantage of the refuse ending is that it permanently removes Hackett's dna from the galactic gene pool, along with the other idiots that got us into this mess. Unfortunately the rest have to suffer. At least Liara's time capsule gets distributed and she does a great job of cataloguing all the mistakes so that the next cycle can avoid derping their way, and they get to kick the Reapers in the daddy bags like we should have.

10.  Why didnt we just put cains on our capitol ships....cains are proven reaper killers.

* We had Thanix weapons on all of our ships. Hackett just didn't use them because Hackett was an idiot.

Now do you understand. I did the best I could.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 11 février 2013 - 07:43 .

[thehomeworld]

It's a contrived device pulled from another game that exists to do three things: 1. Make us feel bad about saving the organic species of the galaxy by killing off glorified toasters who employ the strategy I think therefor Iam human/ alive.

2. It also exists to promote the childish cartoon logic of my enemies really want to be my friends even though they hurt me I should want to be friends with them

3. And it promotes the radical idea of the communist/fascism/despotism/socialism/ect in that control over the world to its own determent is great cuz your the one controlling them you're the one pounding the world into your own desire.

[OdanUrr]

dorktainian wrote...

The crucible.

Mysterious artifact.  Power source.  method of shutting down the mass relays.  Supposedly can kill every reaper.   Shaped like a Mr Microphone.  has rotating sections for some unknown reason.  Is apparently inteligent.....which is amazing for a power source.

Can someone please explain to me in plain english the following?

1.  Since the reapers are thorough in wiping out life forms and removing all traces of their technology, how the hell did an Asari stumble upon it on mars?  In fact how was the design allowed to survive at all?
2.  How the hell did she suppose it was a weapon?  Did it tell her?
3.  why did everyone decide working on this item was a good idea, when nobody really knew what it did?
4.  What the heck was the point of that dome covering the power sphere?
5.  Why didnt the reapers blow it to hell when it arrived at earth?
6.  how did no one question the fact that it was coincidently the right size and shape to link correctly to the citadel - which is reaper tech?
7.  How can an experienced military leader concentrate all his assets on building this thing?
8.  Why did nobody question whether it worked at all?  I dunno maybe a test run?
9.  Why did hackett not load the crudible to hell with high explosives in case it didnt work?
10.  Why didnt we just put cains on our capitol ships....cains are proven reaper killers.

Well, OP, if you're interested, I created a thread a while back that talks about some of the points you raise. Here's the thread:

http://social.biowar.../index/15131915

[Liamv2]

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Modifié par Ninja Stan, 11 février 2013 - 08:15 .

[Ninja Stan]

Spam removed. Please stay on topic.

[txgoldrush]

LTKerr wrote...

Deus ex machina.

Ups, that's latin.

You mean like Tali's introduction in ME1?

You mean like Vigil's Data File?

You mean like the Lazarus Project?

Hell, the Crucible is LESS of one than these ones from past ME games.

[1337b0r0m1r]

dorktainian wrote...

The crucible.

Mysterious artifact.  Power source.  method of shutting down the mass relays.  Supposedly can kill every reaper.   Shaped like a Mr Microphone.  has rotating sections for some unknown reason.  Is apparently inteligent.....which is amazing for a power source.

Can someone please explain to me in plain english the following?

1.  Since the reapers are thorough in wiping out life forms and removing all traces of their technology, how the hell did an Asari stumble upon it on mars?  In fact how was the design allowed to survive at all?
2.  How the hell did she suppose it was a weapon?  Did it tell her?
3.  why did everyone decide working on this item was a good idea, when nobody really knew what it did?
4.  What the heck was the point of that dome covering the power sphere?
5.  Why didnt the reapers blow it to hell when it arrived at earth?
6.  how did no one question the fact that it was coincidently the right size and shape to link correctly to the citadel - which is reaper tech?
7.  How can an experienced military leader concentrate all his assets on building this thing?
8.  Why did nobody question whether it worked at all?  I dunno maybe a test run?
9.  Why did hackett not load the crudible to hell with high explosives in case it didnt work?
10.  Why didnt we just put cains on our capitol ships....cains are proven reaper killers.

1. They may be thorough, but even they don't find everything.
2. The prothean beacon you can talk with in the Illusive Man's base tell you.
3. They  knew it was some kind of powerful weapon, and they didn't have a better plan. They said repeatedly it was desperate.
4. What dome?
5. They wanted to harvest humans, not just destroy them (I guess).
6. Because they were stupid.
7. He didn't see another chance. He said repeatedly it was desperate.
8. They didn't have a better plan. They said repeatedly it was desperate. They couldn't test it without the Citadel.
9. Wouldn't have made a big difference in the grand scheme of things.
10. Because they were stupid.

Modifié par 1337b0r0m1r, 11 février 2013 - 08:41 .

[DeinonSlayer]

LineHolder wrote...

dorktainian wrote...
10.  Why didnt we just put cains on our capitol ships....cains are proven reaper killers.

Would have been too much of a deus ex ... oh wait.

A Cain is just a miniaturized, man-portable version of the mass accelerators used by ships. Less powerful, too. Really, its shots shouldn't be able to bank or hone in on their targets at all. I guess the Hades Cannon just has crap for kinetic barriers.

And don't get me started on "Thanix missiles." <_<

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 11 février 2013 - 08:55 .