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Transhumanism is good, but Synthesis is a trick. Why Destroyers are not luddites.


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Destroy is not an expression of Neo-Luddism or Theomorphism

I choose Destroy.  On a pragmatic level, I choose it because it definitively ends the Reaper threat.  On a philosophical level, I choose Destroy because it is an affirmation of Self Determination.  More so than any of the other endings, with the possible exception of Refuse.  Organics will make their own fate, for better or worse.  No space-magical green beam of pan-galactic transmogrification, no God Emperor Shepard AI, and most especially, no Reapers. 

To be clear, I do not celebrate the loss of EDI and the geth.  I mourn them.

I oppose Control because it is a fascist fantasy.  But that is a discussion for another thread.

I oppose Synthesis.  On that matter, let's get a few things straight.

I reject Synthesis because I do not find the source to be trustworthy, nor do I find the explanation of it to be credible.  Is this simply because I'm paranoid?  No.  It's because the game went out of its way for over a hundred hours to show us how the Reapers screw with your head and make organics believe fantastic things that are bad for them.  One of their favorite fantasies?  Synthesis.

I do not oppose Synthesis because I think technology is evil or because I fear technological advancement.  That would make me a luddite.  I am not a luddite.  Technology is good.  Or, rather, it is beneficial.  Although there's something to be said for not handing a bazooka to a caveman.

While I'm at it, I also eschew any romantic notions about the "sacred nature of organics" or any of that baloney that is sometimes imbued upon Destroy choosers.  If there's an ending that celebrates that kind of mysticism, it's Synthesis, in spades.  Disagree?  Okay, remind me, in which ending does Shepard infuse the galaxy with his organic essence? 


The Morality of Synthesis  (briefly)

This is well-trodden territory.  Consequentialism, moral relativism, blah blah blah.  Let me just quickly state that the Violation of Consent issue is definitely a very valid concern. Many pro-Synths will even admit that much. But they choose it anyway because Synthesis is just so darn wonderful, in their minds, that it's worth forcing this decision on everyone, just this once.

Ultimately, though, I'm not interested in doing another n tail-chasing iterations of the "Do the ends justify the means?" debate.  Why?  Because that amounts to a tacit acceptance of the legitimacy of Synthesis as a near-perfect realization of a transhuman utopia. I prefer not to grant that much.


Why Destroy is NOT a trick

1. Association: Control (TIM) and Synthesis (Saren) are negatively associated with indoctrinated villains, while Destroy is repeatedly endorsed by Shepard's friends and allies.  It is also worth noting that Javik mentions an indoctrinated pro-Control faction that existed during his own Cycle.  This faction caused dissent, which ultimately led to the demise of the Prothean empire.  Furthermore, Javik describes the Zha'til, a fine example of Synthesis helped along by the Reapers.  The implications are clear.  Control and Synthesis are dangerous ideas, particularly when they involve the Reapers.  Destroy is not so burdened by negative connotations. 

Am I guilty of committing an association fallacy in the preceding paragraph?  Perhaps.  But "story logic" and "real world logic" don't perfectly overlap.  Reality doesn't have a narrative; it is an unpurposed stream of moments, governed by cause and effect, unable to be condensed into a digestible amount of words or frames.  Stories, on the other hand, have jobs to do, and a certain amount of time to do them in.  In short, I believe these associations are ones the story intended us to make.  They have a purpose within the Mass Effect narrative. 

Ask yourself this question.  If the most successful mass murderer and brainwasher in galactic history keeps propagating the same perverted "solutions" through indoctrinated agents, Cycle after Cycle, why should we believe those same solutions, suggested by the same entity, will work in our favor now?  Is it because we're talking directly to the brainwashing mass murderer instead of one of his minions?  Is it simple faith that this time will somehow be different?

2. The Crucible: While nobody understands precisely how the Crucible works, Shepard is informed on more than one occasion that the Crucible is capable of incredible destructive power, sufficient to wipe out the Reapers. Therefore, when Shepard arrives at the decision chamber, he arrives with the knowledge that he should be able to destroy the Reapers. To be told otherwise would be a dead giveaway to an alert Shepard that something was amiss.

Note: The low-EMS "control only" scenario is a corner case where the Crucible was built to incorporate the human proto-Reaper "brain" salvaged by TIM from the intact Collector base, but is too heavily damaged to destroy the Reapers. In the low-EMS "destroy only" scenario, the Crucible was built to incorporate the human proto-Reaper "heart," a power source which gives it sufficient power to destroy the Reapers despite the heavy damage the Crucible has sustained

3. Meta-logic: So, if Starchild is trying to trick Shepard into picking Synthesis or Control, then why isn't Destroy a booby-trap? It's a reasonable question, but not the knock-down argument some of you may think it is. Let me explain. In the previous point, I established that Shepard arrives at the decision chamber with the expectation that he will be able to destroy the Reapers. Therefore, Destroy must be available as an option, and Starchild must reveal it, even as he tries to once again spin his age-old illusion involving Control and/or Synthesis. Now, if Starchild wants to trick Shepard (and by extension Bioware wants to trick the player) then the illusion must be carefully maintained. Things have to be depicted in a way that works both on a narrative level and a meta level. There are constraints on what Bioware can do when trying to pull off this grand trick that will keep players talking about their game for a full year or more after its release. If, for example, Starchild said "Go shoot that tube if you want to destroy us," but then Shepard was able to explore the area and find the "real" Destroy option... Well, that would be a dead giveaway, wouldn't it? The illusion would be shattered, not only for Shepard, but for the player. Again, Bioware is constrained in what they can do, both from a cinematic perspective and a story-telling perspective, in order to maintain the illusion. Thus we see Shepard walking up to the tube, shooting it as it explodes in his face, and presto, all the Reapers fall over dead. 

Modifié par clennon8, 21 février 2013 - 02:06 .

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good thread

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Kinda sums up my feelings on the subject...but there were some compelling arguments for synthesis made in my thread from earlier today, give it a read, it's really interessting.
I kinda get the feeling, the developers viewed it as the optimal ending, since it has the "best" outcome (everyone is happy and equal and whatnot)

Modifié par JMJ_91, 11 février 2013 - 10:10 .


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"in which ending does Shepard infuse the galaxy with his organic essence?"

Frankly, Shepard has been spreading his organic essence across the Galaxy for the past 3 games, the dirty dog.

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It is indeed possible that the writers considered Synthesis the "optimal" ending. If so, they made serious story-telling missteps. When a major theme is suddenly reversed at the last possible moment, with no preamble other than a vague explanation from the most successful deceiver and mass murderer in galactic history, you have not done your job well.

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Couldn't agree more

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I oppose Synthesis in part because the source is untrustworthy. Yeah the explanation is laughable, but this is the series that gave us the Lazarus Project, so space magic doesn't automatically invalidate the veracity of the claim.

But the biggest part is that it's forced. Not just on Earth, or the Fleet, but to the entire galaxy. Every living thing, everything will will live in the future.The Catalyst claims it can't be forced, but the ending and the epilogue show that isn't so. While I'm sure some would embrace transhumanism (or transkroganism, transturianism, etc) others would be less receptive, and many I'm sure would be horrified at having it forced on them.

Then there's the races that didn't participate in the war. What would the yahg think of what's happeneing? Or other prespaceflight races? They have it forced on them without even understanding what happened.

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Ttrans-humanists holds the belief that people who reject technology should be respected. This is the main argument separating their ideals from Eugenics.

Synthesis does not allow for rejection. I think that most Trans-humanists would be opposed to the Synthesis idea.

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clennon8 wrote...

*snip*

While I'm at it, I also eschew any romantic notions about the "sacred nature of organics" or any of that baloney that is sometimes imbued upon Destroy choosers.


Synthesis gets plenty of nonsense labels of its own from the other side. You don't see me complaining. People have their own POV on the choices at hand, your validation ("you" as in, anybody) isn't required.

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Is this an argument that Synthesis isn't a rational choice for Shepard to make on the evidence presented, or is this an argument that Synthesis goes badly even if the game doesn't show any such thing?

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Thank you for this. I have nothing against technology at all. Don't you dare feel sad for me because I don't hold a transhumansim belief. I don't need it forced upon me, nor should one person be able to force it on the entire galaxy. If you think that's for the best, then fine, but in no way does that make me some luddite.

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Hit the nail on the head with this one. If we were to integrate with technology, then we'll do it on our own with out Reaper influence.

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Boy am I sure Glad my Shep is actually making the decisions to save the MEU from it's self..Whew!!

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iakus wrote...

I oppose Synthesis in part because the source is untrustworthy. Yeah the explanation is laughable, but this is the series that gave us the Lazarus Project, so space magic doesn't automatically invalidate the veracity of the claim.

But the biggest part is that it's forced. Not just on Earth, or the Fleet, but to the entire galaxy. Every living thing, everything will will live in the future.The Catalyst claims it can't be forced, but the ending and the epilogue show that isn't so. While I'm sure some would embrace transhumanism (or transkroganism, transturianism, etc) others would be less receptive, and many I'm sure would be horrified at having it forced on them.

Then there's the races that didn't participate in the war. What would the yahg think of what's happeneing? Or other prespaceflight races? They have it forced on them without even understanding what happened.

I didn't touch on the morality issue concerning violation of consent, but I agree that it is a very valid concern.  Many pro-Synths will even admit that much.  But they choose it anyway because Synthesis is just so darn wonderful, in their minds, that it's worth forcing this decision on everyone, just this once.

We could go around and around with the "Do the ends justify the means?" argument, but to me that amounts to a tacit acceptance of the legitimacy of Synthesis as a near-perfect realization of a transhuman utopia.  I prefer not to grant that much.

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Well summarized, Clennon.

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Wayning_Star wrote...

Boy am I sure Glad my Shep is actually making the decisions to save the MEU from it's self..Whew!!


Could you elaborate on that?

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It is tragic that the ending that I most identify with is also the ending that is most tainted. I'm becoming more and more bitter about this...

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Wayning_Star wrote...

Boy am I sure Glad my Shep is actually making the decisions to save the MEU from it's self..Whew!!


Saving something from itself is a good excuse to force your will upon others.

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clennon8 wrote...

I choose Destroy.

I oppose Control because it is a fascist fantasy.  But that's a discussion for another thread.

I also oppose Synthesis.  On that matter, let's get a few things straight.

I reject Synthesis because I do not find the source to be trustworthy, nor do I find the explanation of it to be credible.  Is this simply because I'm paranoid?  No.  It's because the game went out of its way for over a hundred hours to show us how the Reapers screw with your head and make organics believe fantastic things that are bad for them.  One of their favorite fantasies?  Synthesis.

I do not oppose Synthesis because I think technology is evil or because I fear technological advancement.  That would make me a luddite.  I am not a luddite.  Technology is good.  Or, rather, it is beneficial.

While I'm at it, I also eschew any romantic notions about the "sacred nature of organics" or any of that baloney that is sometimes imbued upon Destroy choosers.  If there's an ending that celebrates that kind of mysticism, it's Synthesis.  In spades.  Disagree?  Okay, remind me, in which ending does Shepard infuse the galaxy with his organic essence? 


Interesting post. It does reflect my viewpoint.

I think Bioware's initial take on the Destroy ending where "technology = evil" and the mass relays were destroyed along with technology as well, and put everything in a 10,000 year galactic dark age went way too far. Yet I chose it over Synthesis because I do not trust its source -- a genocidal AI that has been carrying out mass murder for over a billion years and whose death count is up in the quadrillions. It does make one wonder. And it is done without consent. I also reject Control for the same reasons you did.

I also reject Bioware's assertion that Synthesis is inevitable. It may be, but to whom will it be inevitable? Will it be made available to everyone who wants it? OR will it be made available only to those who can afford it? And how will it be used? Will it be used as a means to Control the masses? OR will it be used as a way for peoples to connect with one another in ways never before possible?

I am not afraid of technology. Were it not for technology, I would not be able to create music the way I do. Were it not for technology people would never hear my songs. I do not have the money to hire the quality musicians I want, and book studio time I need, and pay recording engineers. With this technology I can do all this myself now, and produce quality that is getting close to majors.

I am simply wary of how technology gets abused. I would love for there to be advancements in say cochlear implants to the point where they can detect pitch and sound level like a human cochlea. That way I could hear in my right ear again. I would love for there to be cybernetic implants available to help people with early onset alzheimers so that they could remember things and live normal lives. Or even enhancements. I am not afraid of these things.

The reality is that I don't see the enhancement side being a level playing field aspect. That is going to be reserved for the few who can afford it. It is just our nature.

What should we do? When the technology becomes available make sure no one gets left behind, but do not force it on people.

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Well put, madam

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But, what do you do when nature/space it's self poses the greates risk? Live with it if you can, or change the game to suit your given structure/society?

Tell me what "human" would actually pick destroy? Wouldn't happen if the MEU was in realtime...

(goes directly against self preservation instinct, the one that controls sex drives'n such.. ;)

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So in real-life you would rather gamble with the fate of every sentient being rather than put a permanent end to an obvious and senseless threat?

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by the time Shep even makes it to the decisions, he/she's beat and probably not even corporial..already had one out of the body experience, wounded leaking out.. confronting an inscruible entity with cosmic power.

Reset nature..Destroy stuff again to reset nature..run away to hope the next victim is luckier.. or control the the cosmos to reset nature...hmmmm

No pressure,eh..

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Wayning_Star wrote...

But, what do you do when nature/space it's self poses the greates risk? Live with it if you can, or change the game to suit your given structure/society?

Tell me what "human" would actually pick destroy? Wouldn't happen if the MEU was in realtime...

(goes directly against self preservation instinct, the one that controls sex drives'n such.. ;)


You seem to have lost the bigger picture. Everything was fine until the Reapers came. Destroy removes them again, it's that simple.

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Prove it.