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[Argentoid]

Argentoid wrote...

And...


anyone knows about Joker?

[Kabooooom]

Eterna5 wrote...

Kabooooom wrote...

Hmm all of my fav characters were written by Drew or Weekes, my least fav ones by Walters. I could have guessed.

Talk about hindsight bias. 

Yes it is hindsight bias that all of the characters that have been my favorite for years, I now find out were written by my two favorite writers after the fact. Because THAT makes sense. It's called an opinion. Go troll somewhere else.

[Argentoid]

NatP wrote...

Oh wow, I was trying to see what was the writer that wrote Kasumi in ME3 so I could see just who messed up. And you're telling me it was Weekes as well?! He's like my favorite writer and he was responsible for her character assassination?! Are you sure about that?

EDIT: Also, it was actually Sylvia Feketekuty that wrote Legion in ME3.

Yeap. Patrick wrote the holo goodbye and the mission in which Kasumi appears. Actually, Jondam Bau (the salarian Spectre that appears during such mission) is a name that mocks John Drombow's. In exchange, the latter named the salarian replacement for Mordin: "Padok Wiks", as a response.


Thanks for the correction!

Modifié par Argentoid, 12 février 2013 - 10:07 .

[Undead Han]

o Ventus wrote...

Gedgehog wrote...

What has really bothered me has been all the hate surrounding the ending that was directed at Mac Walters.
It is clear from what else he has done with the series that he is in fact a damn good writer.

The Blasto comic, Cerberus in ME3, and the already mentioned ending all disagree with you.

Mac is a good writer when it comes to characters. With story/plot elements he is more hit or miss.

I hate to use a military analogy, but I will anyway. During protracted wars sometimes you'll see generals who perform outstanding as a division commander, but struggle when promoted into a role where they are in command of a corps or an army.

That's Mac Walters. He did well as a character writer but was a little bit out of his depth as a lead.

[o Ventus]

Han Shot First wrote...

Mac is a good writer when it comes to characters. With story/plot elements he is more hit or miss.

I hate to use a military analogy, but I will anyway. During protracted wars sometimes you'll see generals who perform outstanding as a division commander, but struggle when promoted into a role where they are in command of a corps or an army.

That's Mac Walters. He did well as a character writer but was a little bit out of his depth as a lead.

I still think you're being generous. The Crucible, the ending, and Cerberus are easily the 3 most hated things in ME3. The Blasto comic is... Just bad. I won't even comment on it.

[MegaSovereign]

o Ventus wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Mac is a good writer when it comes to characters. With story/plot elements he is more hit or miss.

I hate to use a military analogy, but I will anyway. During protracted wars sometimes you'll see generals who perform outstanding as a division commander, but struggle when promoted into a role where they are in command of a corps or an army.

That's Mac Walters. He did well as a character writer but was a little bit out of his depth as a lead.

I still think you're being generous. The Crucible, the ending, and Cerberus are easily the 3 most hated things in ME3. The Blasto comic is... Just bad. I won't even comment on it.

I didn't mind Cerberus. Just Kai Leng.

[Argentoid]

Any news on Joker?

[spirosz]

Not every character had a consistent writer, that's why there are problems with quite a few.

Modifié par spirosz, 13 février 2013 - 01:55 .

[Mouton_Alpha]

Kabooooom wrote...

Hmm all of my fav characters were written by Drew or Weekes, my least fav ones by Walters. I could have guessed.

You hate Garrus, Wrex and Hackett? Really? Now that's rare.

[Argentoid]

Mouton_Alpha wrote...

Kabooooom wrote...

Hmm all of my fav characters were written by Drew or Weekes, my least fav ones by Walters. I could have guessed.

You hate Garrus, Wrex and Hackett? Really? Now that's rare.

Pretty much my thoughts.

[Mathias]

ME3 really needed Chris L'Etoile

[Dieb]

spirosz wrote...

Not every character had a consistent writer, that's why there are problems with quite a few.

I'm getting a little tired of this statement. I read this on a daily basis. Don't mean to be downright offensive, but:

Do you really think if we -as fans- notice how a character changed,  that a writer -whose job is literally character and plot developement-  didn't realize the same thing?
It's not a question of skill or, for godsakes, "ego".
Sometimes decisions are made, sometimes these decisions are not made by the ones whielding the pen. I'd like to refer you to Chris L'Etoile's statements (previously linked to in this very thread), or more recently, David Gaider's blog on the matter.

I'm not saying the statement that characters (especially whose developement was continued by a different writer) changed over the course of the trilogy in a downright illogical way. Just asking to stop questioning the hard skills of the last person standing at the conveyor belt, each time you notice an odd sock.

Modifié par Baelrahn, 13 février 2013 - 02:36 .

[TurianRebel212]

cyrslash1974 wrote...

Saren was written by Drew, you can delete the "?"

Damn Drew was good wasn't he? 

Could have saved ME3 if he had been around. But overlord Casey steped in. 


All I gotta say is this. 

Catalyst- Walters/Hudson. 

The single worst thing to ever happen to ME. Even worse than EA aquiring them. 

[Argentoid]

TurianRebel212 wrote...

cyrslash1974 wrote...

Saren was written by Drew, you can delete the "?"

Damn Drew was good wasn't he? 

Could have saved ME3 if he had been around. But overlord Casey steped in. 


All I gotta say is this. 

Catalyst- Walters/Hudson. 

The single worst thing to ever happen to ME. Even worse than EA aquiring them. 

Drew was one hell of a writer.

But his "Dark Energy" ending was full of circle logic.


According to him it's -

"Yo Dawg, to ensure you don't destroy the galaxy with dark energy we created devices that create so much dark energy that you can travel across the galaxy in hours without fuel, so you don't destroy the galaxy with dark energy!"

Modifié par Argentoid, 13 février 2013 - 02:49 .

[TurianRebel212]

The writing team for Mass effect 3 should have been the following.

Main Plot- Drew Karpyshyn

character writers- Mac Walters, Chris L'Etoile, and Patrick Weekes.

With all of them peer reviewing the ending and the outcomes.

Hudson should a have had zero creative process in ME3.

[Argentoid]

TurianRebel212 wrote...

The writing team for Mass effect 3 should have been the following.

Main Plot- Drew Karpyshyn

character writers- Mac Walters, Chris L'Etoile, and Patrick Weekes.

With all of them peer reviewing the ending and the outcomes.

Hudson should a have had zero creative process in ME3.

Don't forget John Dombrow!

[TurianRebel212]

Argentoid wrote...

TurianRebel212 wrote...

The writing team for Mass effect 3 should have been the following.

Main Plot- Drew Karpyshyn

character writers- Mac Walters, Chris L'Etoile, and Patrick Weekes.

With all of them peer reviewing the ending and the outcomes.

Hudson should a have had zero creative process in ME3.

Don't forget John Dombrow!

For Garrus and Javik convos. This alone get him in my list. Just barely. But that's it. Maybe Hepler from ME2. Maybe. 

[themikefest]

Steve Cortez was written by Dusty Everman

[TurianRebel212]

themikefest wrote...

Steve Cortez was written by Dusty Everman

STEVEEEEEEEE!!!!!! 


There's alot at STEAK here. 


Mass Effect 3 had some scrubs writing it alright. Damn. 

[NatP]

Dombrow also wrote Wreav, Eve and Padok Wiks in ME3 (basically all the Tuchanka arc characters).

And actually Javik was ALL Dombrow, Weekes just assisted in the Eden Prime mission and that's it.

Modifié par NatP, 13 février 2013 - 03:06 .

[David7204]

That is stupid. Steve was a perfectly well-written character.

[TurianRebel212]

NatP wrote...

Dombrow also wrote Wreav, Eve and Padok Wiks in ME3 (basically all the Tuchanka arc characters).

He should have written the ending. Maybe it would have been good. 

[TurianRebel212]

David7204 wrote...

That is stupid. Steve was a perfectly well-written character.

Like most writers of ME3, steves a scrub. 

" I'm gay, I'm lonely. Let me get across the point that I'm really gay and lonely. Please take me to the citadel."

Dumb. If steve were handled like a real person and have some depth other than the gay, lonely potential LI for Shepard then he might have been a decent character. But he's just there to be there. Much like I feel how Ashley was in ME3, just there to be there. One dimensional. 

Modifié par TurianRebel212, 13 février 2013 - 03:12 .

[Slashice]

Think Mac Walters should've stayed at character writing and make Patrick Weekes as lead writer. Probably we would've got some epic ME3 instead of pew-pew-boom-boom semi RPG shooter game mixed with some CoD elements.

I think he and John Dombrow made the best job in ME3, and Patrick was with the team from the beginning. After Karpyshyn resign he should've taken the role of lead writer instead of Mac Walters.

[TurianRebel212]

Slashice wrote...

Think Mac Walters should've stayed at character writing and make Patrick Weekes as lead writer. Probably we would've got some epic ME3 instead of pew-pew-boom-boom semi RPG shooter game mixed with some CoD elements.

I think he and John Dombrow made the best job in ME3, and Patrick was with the team from the beginning. After Karpyshyn resign he should've taken the role of lead writer instead of Mac Walters.

Agreed. If Weekes was the lead writter I can almsot guarantee the ending would not have been all meta BS with Space God and Shepard Christ diving into a beam of light. It would a have been ballzzzz to wallzzz action with explosions and killing and death and war assets being shown. Much like ME2 suicide mission. Hell, we probably would have gotten to face off against that jerk Harby and all his minions. It would have been epic. 


What could have been.