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[jackattack1374]

 Lots of cullen love, lots of kossith love, a handful of F/F romance threads, why can't we talk about guys? I know this is not the most popular DA romance option, after Anders practically rapes you in his clinic, but gay romance is something of a DA tradition and I hope it isn't cut :3

Share what youd like to see (no outrageous requests please), and how youd like to see previous Li's implemented. Personally, i loved that the gay romances in ME3 were more in depth than other stereotypically "gay" romances. Sex was involved, but not the single defining characteristic of the relationship ( dont get me wrong, i love me some zevran, but he was kind of the cliché hypersexualized character that most gay/bi characters get represented as in media). I just hope the relationship wont be treated any differently than a straight one, acknowledge the fact that its a gay romance (make the gay romance options actually gay instead of "your the player character! Lets get naked!"), and then move on.

[Harle Cerulean]

 Just gonna say that if you thought sex was the sole defining thing about Zevran's relationship, you either didn't play it, or didn't pay attention to it.  

That said, my advice?  If you want to have this thread and not get it locked, stay far, far away from the topic of bisexual LIs.  That always gets these threads derailed and locked.

[karushna5]

I am pretty sure they will be in the game, if Cullen is romanceable, pretty sure he will be a gay option as well, which may be interesting. None of the other characters are out so hard to tell. Anything they put out will be interesting.

[jackattack1374]

karushna5 wrote...

I am pretty sure they will be in the game, if Cullen is romanceable, pretty sure he will be a gay option as well, which may be interesting. None of the other characters are out so hard to tell. Anything they put out will be interesting.

i would be kind of sad if cullen suddenly batted for my team, i mean it all depends on how the romance is written, but he was straight in DA:O and DA2, i dont want the magical rainbow fairy to come in out of nowhere and zap him with her disco stick...

that being said Anders was originally straight and his romance ended up being my favorite in all of DA2 so i guess well see...

[nightscrawl]

I am rather surprised that it took someone this long to make a thread. Or perhaps one was made early on and devolved into flames and trolling and was closed. I'm open to all kinds of romance in these games, even with a mailbox, so consider me pro-m/m.

jackattack1374 wrote...

... after Anders practically rapes you in his clinic...

Even though you're advocating for the m/m romance, I don't think this is a helpful statement.

At any rate, are you asking for male LIs who are exclusively gay? Similar to how Alistair in DAO is exclusively straight?

David Gaider has said several times that he would like to have set sexualities for LI (ie 2 gay, 2 straight), but budget constraints and fairness win out, so you have the DA2 system.

David Gaider wrote...

As I've said before, I too would prefer set sexualities if all things were equal-- if I had enough resources that "realism" could be my biggest concern ... But they're rarely equal, and in the case of DA2 simple fairness won out.

If you're just looking for a male LI who has the possibility of being in a same sex relationship, I don't think you're going to have an issue in DA3, provided of course that you like the NPC.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 12 février 2013 - 02:38 .

[Kidd]

I can see a ManQuisitor of mine having a story to tell together with Cullen for sure. That Amell girl back in Lake Calenhad? Ha! You can do better than that, my dear.

Hard to know what to say other than that since we don't know the companions for the game yet. I really want Cole in the game, but I'm not sure I'd be interested in a love story with him. We'll see =)

[karushna5]

jackattack1374 wrote...

i would be kind of sad if cullen suddenly batted for my team, i mean it all depends on how the romance is written, but he was straight in DA:O and DA2, i dont want the magical rainbow fairy to come in out of nowhere and zap him with her disco stick...

that being said Anders was originally straight and his romance ended up being my favorite in all of DA2 so i guess well see...

As I think the devs said, they felt Anders was a bit gay when they created him, and while he expressed interest in women, that never meant he wasn't attracted to guys too. They were a bit surprised that was the reaction. Cullen can be the same way, he showed interest in 1 girl, I don't think that means you can't be interested in guys too. Especially since it was nothing more than a crush.

[jackattack1374]

Like i said, anders was my favorite romance of DA2, if it doesnt detract from his character, I'll welcome it with open arms.

[SgtElias]

jackattack1374 wrote...

. . .  after Anders practically rapes you in his clinic,

Wait, what? That's a fairly drastic interpretation.

jackattack1374 wrote...

that being said Anders was originally straight and his romance ended up being my favorite in all of DA2 so i guess well see...

As I was playing Awakening, I always just assumed Anders was bi. He just . . . seemed like the type of person who wouldn't really think gender was much of a barrier. And I know that I don't necessarily go around letting everyone know I'm bi. I bet plenty of people think I'm straight.

As for a m/m romance, I'd sort of like to romance the "nice guy." I (personally) feel like that title didn't really apply to anyone other than Alistair, and he wasn't a same sex option, so I guess I'd like someone who's somewhat carefree, funny, good sense of humor.

Don't get me wrong; I love me some dark and broody. But for some reason, I usually only go for it on my heterosexual romances. I like my same-sex romances to be more stable. Just my weirdness, I guess.

[Xiomara]

I could have sworn there was a M/M romance thread that didn't get locked. Maybe not.

Anyway, I only played male Hawke in DA2 to romance Anders because I believed he fit better with a guy. He certainly didn't "practically rape me" at any point....unless it was an optional scene that I missed. I want to see exclusive gays in Dragon Age, IMO Steve Cortez in ME3 was well done....not so much the woman.

[Soundsystem]

I'll join several people in expressing that saying Anders "practically rapes" you is absurd and way overstated.

Beyond that I would love to see some exclusive M/M relationships in DA3, but I'm also totally okay with the bisexual options used in DA2. For myself, I always read Anders as bisexual, especially once his quest to rescue his friend came up.

[ElitePinecone]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

I can see a ManQuisitor of mine having a story to tell together with Cullen for sure. That Amell girl back in Lake Calenhad? Ha! You can do better than that, my dear.

Hard to know what to say other than that since we don't know the companions for the game yet. I really want Cole in the game, but I'm not sure I'd be interested in a love story with him. We'll see =)

Depending on how Cole's story turns out  I don't think you'd even be able to call a confused spirit manifesting in human form technically "male"  I agree that I'm not sure he'd be an LI if he were a companion, though, it would feel a little uncomfortable and exploitative (at least to me). 

I liked ME3's Cortez (and Kaidan's dialogue was very well handled, all things considered), and it was nice to see more characters that broke stereotypes. I know Zevran deliberately subverted expectations, and that M/M romance is actually my favourite of all Bioware's games to date; Steve was another well-fleshed out character who was far more than his sexuality. 

I wouldn't be averse to a Wildean, aesthete magister as a DA3 LI. There's a lot of ground for dialogue hilarity there, and fireballs almost always come in handy.

Modifié par ElitePinecone, 12 février 2013 - 03:43 .

[nightscrawl]

SgtElias wrote...

As for a m/m romance, I'd sort of like to romance the "nice guy." I (personally) feel like that title didn't really apply to anyone other than Alistair, and he wasn't a same sex option, so I guess I'd like someone who's somewhat carefree, funny, good sense of humor.

If I could have romanced Anders in DAA I would have made an Orlesian Warden newbie just for that purpose. Alas, it cannot be .

Don't get me wrong; I love me some dark and broody. But for some reason, I usually only go for it on my heterosexual romances. I like my same-sex romances to be more stable. Just my weirdness, I guess.

Lol, I had never thought about it in those terms before, but I realized that this applies to me as well.

ElitePinecone wrote...

Depending on how Cole's story turns out  I don't think you'd even be able to call a confused spirit manifesting in human form technically "male"  I agree that I'm not sure he'd be an LI if he were a companion, though, it would feel a little uncomfortable and exploitative (at least to me).

Ignoring the whole spirit thing, I don't think that a romance with Cole would be any more exploitative than with Fenris. Yes, Fenris can come off as a ******, but he really has serious issues, which he more or less gets through on his own, with the help of the knowledge that people do care about him. I think Cole could be done in a similar way.

However, I would be VERY surprised if this were a romance for the very fact that it would feel like a combination of Fenris and Anders. While that might sound grand on the surface (I think so anyway), they might not want to be too repetitive.

As SgtElias mentions, the inclusion of a nice, relatively stable guy would be nice, in addition to the brooding bishi that we love to love.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 12 février 2013 - 03:50 .

[kalasaurus]

Meh, the only problem with Anders was how there was no neutral response for Male Hawke or FemHawke to his flirting. You can either offend him and get rivalry points (even by going for the sarcastic remark to avoid the flirting), or go along with his flirting only for him to reject Hawke because he might break his/her heart. It was an awkward situation.

I wasn't a fan of the romance options in DA2, and not because they were all bi. Isabella was the most appealling to my FemHawke simply by the process of elimination and I'm usually drawn to the straight male options.

[SgtElias]

nightscrawl wrote...


If I could have romanced Anders in DAA I would have made an Orlesian Warden newbie just for that purpose. Alas, it cannot be .

Haha, I couldn't agree more. I also would have loved to romance Nathaniel, but Anders was just . . . so awesome. I ended up making an Orlesian Warden, just because, but I'm sure I would have made many, many more had the companions been romancable.

[syllogi]

jackattack1374 wrote...

karushna5 wrote...

I am pretty sure they will be in the game, if Cullen is romanceable, pretty sure he will be a gay option as well, which may be interesting. None of the other characters are out so hard to tell. Anything they put out will be interesting.

i would be kind of sad if cullen suddenly batted for my team, i mean it all depends on how the romance is written, but he was straight in DA:O and DA2, i dont want the magical rainbow fairy to come in out of nowhere and zap him with her disco stick...

that being said Anders was originally straight and his romance ended up being my favorite in all of DA2 so i guess well see...

Cullen says nothing about his love life in DA2, so there's no definitive word on his orientation.  He had a crush once on a female mage in Ferelden, but that was a long time ago by the time of DA3, and he may have had real relationships that weren't with women.  Lots of people who later identify as homosexual have heterosexual "phases" or crushes.  And hopefully there's a few choices anyway, since I suspect that even that crush will make people less likely to see him as "fully" homosexual, no matter what he says or does in the new game.

[nightscrawl]

syllogi wrote...

Cullen says nothing about his love life in DA2, so there's no definitive word on his orientation.  He had a crush once on a female mage in Ferelden, but that was a long time ago by the time of DA3, and he may have had real relationships that weren't with women.  Lots of people who later identify as homosexual have heterosexual "phases" or crushes.  And hopefully there's a few choices anyway, since I suspect that even that crush will make people less likely to see him as "fully" homosexual, no matter what he says or does in the new game.

You know, I used to think the whole Anders thing was an odd development, but I don't care at all anymore. At this point I just like that anyone playing any sex can romance whoever they want.

That said, I'll make DA3 Cullen forget all about that Amell girl (my Warden).

Modifié par nightscrawl, 12 février 2013 - 04:09 .

[Mummy22kids]

I prefer playing a female PC but I always play makes at least a few times to try out the romances. I hope we get a good mix or choices between stable (think Aveline/Alistair like) and dark/broody (think Fenris/Morrigan like).

[LinksOcarina]

One of the more complex gay romances has to be Hawke and Fenris on the Rival Path. My goodness, it was glorious to see Fenris wrestle with his feelings and finally come to terms with what he wants in the perfect culmination of the character that way.

I hope we see more complexity like that, characters that you can romance who will have mixed emotions about it. They tend to be the best in the end.

[riverbanks]

 Can we not throw the word "rape" around like it's just some cool kid slang, please.

About ME3's m/m romances versus DA's: let's be real here and give credit where credit is due. Of the two IPs, DA was the one that had the guts to push forward with m/m romance from the start, whereas ME cut off the m/m material that was right there to use (hell knows why, since Bioware had been doing gay long before either IP came along). The only reason Shepard/Kaidan appears to have more depth is the illusion that, in universe, it took them four years to get together, but the sad reality is that it actually took ME three games to stop wringing their hands and coming up with downright offensive excuses for why the big savior of the universe could be a hotttt lesbz!!1!! but couldn't be a gay man. Sure you can headcanon that mShep and Kaidan were in love all the way back from ME1 (and I do), but let's keep in mind that your male Warden could canonically be in love with Zevran from day one and your male Hawke could freely romance Anders and/or Fenris long before ME ever considered getting Kaidan back in the picture. 

As for what I expect of the m/m romances in DA:I... well, just more of the same good love stories we've had in DA:O and DAII. I haven't been let down by any of the DA s/s romances yet (m/m or f/f for that matter), and don't believe DA:I will be the deal breaker, seeing as it's being written by the same people. 

[Tootles FTW]

Having M/M options is the only way I play a dude!PC if the option to be a chick is otherwise available, so I fully support M/M only or "everyone is bi" LI's.

@LinksOcarina - Rival!Fenris is my favorite romance in DA2, ideally if my PC is a mage. I'd totally be up for a DA3 LI who also fights with you a bit. Conflict can lead to fun times.

EDIT - And also, can we finally get some dark-haired men please?!

Modifié par Tootles FTW, 12 février 2013 - 05:09 .

[Thibax]

Love for everyone

[CuriousArtemis]

Actually the M/M LI thread was one of the first to be made in this forum, but it died out as we no longer had much to say, what with no DA3 LIs having been released yet. And no, it did not collapse in a sea of trolls and spiteful arguments. We were a polite lot.

Honestly, there just isn't much else to say at this point. Yes we like M/M romances. We know they will be in DA3. Can't wait to meet the characters!

[Joy Sauce]

I just hope they stay equitable, something that I have to give DA props for. ME never was at any point. Just let me illustrate:
ME1:
Femshep: 1 straight, 1 gay (or simply not straight, for those of you who think Liara's not a woman)
Broshep: 2 straight
ME2:
Femshep: 3 straight, 1 gay (even though Kelly's not a full romance, I include her anyway)
Broshep: 4 straight
ME3:
Femshep: 2 straight (both of which may not be available I should add), 4 gay
Broshep: 7 straight, 2 gay

Then when you look at DA:
DAO:
F!Warden: 2 straight, 1 gay
M!Warden: 2 straight, 1 gay
DA2:
F!Hawke: 2 straight, 2 gay (okay, 3 straight with DLC, but I'd hardly call it a romance)
M!Hawke: 2 straight, 2 gay

Nice and balanced, well done DA team, shame on you ME team (good romances, just not balanced).

Personally I hope they keep up the all bi, may not be 'realistic' and the writers may not even like it, but by making some gender exclusive, your just going to make people who prefer to play as the other gender feel left out, just look at all the people who want Morrigan and Alistair to be gay options. Maybe this time just make it so that the gay options don't hit on you unless you flirt with them first to avoid making insecure straight male players feel uncomfortable the way they famously did with Anders (though I admit I wasn't a fan of Liara putting me on the spot back in ME either, so I understand where they're coming from).

[CuriousArtemis]

^ It's already been stated that it will be same as DA2, two girls, two guys, all hero-sexual. So nothing to discuss here either.