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[Battlebloodmage]

catharsisboo wrote...

Speculation is my bane, honestly. I end up getting so worked up over a character and then when they show up, I'm let down. Go back one year and you'd see me getting excited over the prospect of a ManShep/James romance. (But that's okay, I can keep headcanoning they get together after the game...)

Anyway! I've been thinking about Cullen. What is it about him that interests people? Is it from playing a F!Amell? If he's a LI, what would you hope for in his romance?

I feel him adorable when he's shy around the Amell warden and was surprised at how composed heis in DA2. I guess his achille's heel is his virginity.

His character just seems very interesting. He saw both extremity of mages and templars. He's not without reasons though since he defended the mages if you side with the templar. He thinks for himself and takes charges (demonstrated in the way he gets upset at Hawke if he decides to remain netrual), unlike Alistair, who let your warden makes decisions. 

[Dhiro]

catharsisboo wrote...

Speculation is my bane, honestly. I end up getting so worked up over a character and then when they show up, I'm let down. Go back one year and you'd see me getting excited over the prospect of a ManShep/James romance. (But that's okay, I can keep headcanoning they get together after the game...)

Anyway! I've been thinking about Cullen. What is it about him that interests people? Is it from playing a F!Amell? If he's a LI, what would you hope for in his romance?

I'm not a super-duper Cullen fan, but what I would be interested in seeing from him would be the more darker and twisted side of his romance with a mage. I think that has the potential to be very interesting.

Most people here seem to want him to be more romantic and good, and I think rightly so, since the kind of romance I have in mind can be very hard to pull off, even for good writers, and make people uncomfortable.

[once-ler]

Evil_Jashinist wrote...
I think he's gonna be a hipster magister.  He'll be all; "Owning slaves? Ugh, SO mainstream!" and he'll wear PANTS not robes. And he'll go around saying to other mages "I wear this thing called PANTS. You've probably never heard of it."

Lol! And there I was, having something like Peytr "Littlefinger" Baelish from Game of Thrones in mind.  
One vote for hippie!Dorian. He and Fenris should meet and be bros.... 

[Battlebloodmage]

Dhiro wrote...

catharsisboo wrote...

Speculation is my bane, honestly. I end up getting so worked up over a character and then when they show up, I'm let down. Go back one year and you'd see me getting excited over the prospect of a ManShep/James romance. (But that's okay, I can keep headcanoning they get together after the game...)

Anyway! I've been thinking about Cullen. What is it about him that interests people? Is it from playing a F!Amell? If he's a LI, what would you hope for in his romance?

I'm not a super-duper Cullen fan, but what I would be interested in seeing from him would be the more darker and twisted side of his romance with a mage. I think that has the potential to be very interesting.

Most people here seem to want him to be more romantic and good, and I think rightly so, since the kind of romance I have in mind can be very hard to pull off, even for good writers, and make people uncomfortable.

Let me guess, 50 shades of grey. 

j/k

How would you describe the relationship dynamic though?

[CuriousArtemis]

catharsisboo wrote...

Anyway! I've been thinking about Cullen. What is it about him that interests people? Is it from playing a F!Amell? If he's a LI, what would you hope for in his romance?

He's adorable, he's good-looking, and he evolves throughout DA2. I have zero interest in his DA:O version. Never played a FemAmell. Don't assume all Cullen fans are FemAmellTards

I hope he's just the way he is in DA2...? Not sure how to answer that question. I liked him immediately and he was one of those characters that I wished had been a LI or at least companion. I wanted to know more, and still do.

[CuriousArtemis]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

I'm hoping they would break away from the usual one human one elf mold in the next game. Maybe both are human or one is human and the other is a kossith. Speaking of kossith, how would you guys feel about a romance with them?

That's cause you're an elf-hater :P:P

[SgtElias]

Evil_Jashinist wrote...

SgtElias wrote...

It's so hard to say right now. Based on part of the description, "on a crusade to rid his homeland of its corruption," I assumed he'd be a, well, non-evil magister.

Unless "corruption" means "elves" or "non mages" or something else equally horrible. And at this point, your guess is as good as mine.

Heck, he might not even be a companion.

Speculation is fun!

I think he's gonna be a hipster magister.  He'll be all; "Owning slaves? Ugh, SO mainstream!" and he'll wear PANTS not robes. And he'll go around saying to other mages "I wear this thing called PANTS. You've probably never heard of it."

That's it, can this be a thing?

In fact, I'll just take this opportunity to declare that Dorian is now OFFICIALLY in the game, he is OFFICIALLY a love interest open to both genders, and he is OFFICIALLY a hipster magister.

OFFICIALLY.

[Battlebloodmage]

motomotogirl wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

I'm hoping they would break away from the usual one human one elf mold in the next game. Maybe both are human or one is human and the other is a kossith. Speaking of kossith, how would you guys feel about a romance with them?

That's cause you're an elf-hater :P:P

Hey, I like both Zevran and Merrill. It's just Fenris' twin brother I can't stand. 

[CuriousArtemis]

"That's SO third age," said Dorian, waving his hand to gesture at pretty much all of the Warden's outfit.

later...

"I love this minstrel troupe!" cried Sera, clapping her hands with glee. "Please, I was listening to this troupe before anyone even knew they existed," said Dorian.

YES please let's make this happen BW.

Modifié par motomotogirl, 14 février 2013 - 10:55 .

[catharsisboo]

SgtElias wrote...

Evil_Jashinist wrote...

SgtElias wrote...

It's so hard to say right now. Based on part of the description, "on a crusade to rid his homeland of its corruption," I assumed he'd be a, well, non-evil magister.

Unless "corruption" means "elves" or "non mages" or something else equally horrible. And at this point, your guess is as good as mine.

Heck, he might not even be a companion.

Speculation is fun!

I think he's gonna be a hipster magister.  He'll be all; "Owning slaves? Ugh, SO mainstream!" and he'll wear PANTS not robes. And he'll go around saying to other mages "I wear this thing called PANTS. You've probably never heard of it."

That's it, can this be a thing?

In fact, I'll just take this opportunity to declare that Dorian is now OFFICIALLY in the game, he is OFFICIALLY a love interest open to both genders, and he is OFFICIALLY a hipster magister.

OFFICIALLY.

I can get behind this!

[Battlebloodmage]

SgtElias wrote...

Evil_Jashinist wrote...

SgtElias wrote...

It's so hard to say right now. Based on part of the description, "on a crusade to rid his homeland of its corruption," I assumed he'd be a, well, non-evil magister.

Unless "corruption" means "elves" or "non mages" or something else equally horrible. And at this point, your guess is as good as mine.

Heck, he might not even be a companion.

Speculation is fun!

I think he's gonna be a hipster magister.  He'll be all; "Owning slaves? Ugh, SO mainstream!" and he'll wear PANTS not robes. And he'll go around saying to other mages "I wear this thing called PANTS. You've probably never heard of it."

That's it, can this be a thing?

In fact, I'll just take this opportunity to declare that Dorian is now OFFICIALLY in the game, he is OFFICIALLY a love interest open to both genders, and he is OFFICIALLY a hipster magister.

OFFICIALLY.

Dragon Age 3 would be too mainstream for him to be in. Bunch of conformists. 

[Dhiro]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

catharsisboo wrote...

Speculation is my bane, honestly. I end up getting so worked up over a character and then when they show up, I'm let down. Go back one year and you'd see me getting excited over the prospect of a ManShep/James romance. (But that's okay, I can keep headcanoning they get together after the game...)

Anyway! I've been thinking about Cullen. What is it about him that interests people? Is it from playing a F!Amell? If he's a LI, what would you hope for in his romance?

I'm not a super-duper Cullen fan, but what I would be interested in seeing from him would be the more darker and twisted side of his romance with a mage. I think that has the potential to be very interesting.

Most people here seem to want him to be more romantic and good, and I think rightly so, since the kind of romance I have in mind can be very hard to pull off, even for good writers, and make people uncomfortable.

Let me guess, 50 shades of grey. 

j/k

How would you describe the relationship dynamic though?

It would be consensual, of course. I'd prefer the PC to be fully aware of what they're getting into. And then I think it would be much like Anders' rivalmance: a clash of polar opposites that refuse to change, pushing eachother without ever moving from their spot.

It would probably work better with DA:O's Cullen, though.

[Dhiro]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

I'm hoping they would break away from the usual one human one elf mold in the next game. Maybe both are human or one is human and the other is a kossith. Speaking of kossith, how would you guys feel about a romance with them?

I'm going to be honest here and admit that my interest for the kossith is purely aesthetic. I wouldn't want to romance a member of the Qun, although I do find it interesting and I'd like to learn more about it in DA: I. I just like big guys

[SgtElias]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Evil_Jashinist wrote...
I think he's gonna be a hipster magister.  He'll be all; "Owning slaves? Ugh, SO mainstream!" and he'll wear PANTS not robes. And he'll go around saying to other mages "I wear this thing called PANTS. You've probably never heard of it."

Dragon Age 3 would be too mainstream for him to be in. Bunch of conformists. 

He's so non-conformist that he found a way out of his own dimension?

Modifié par SgtElias, 14 février 2013 - 10:59 .

[catharsisboo]

motomotogirl wrote...

catharsisboo wrote...

Anyway! I've been thinking about Cullen. What is it about him that interests people? Is it from playing a F!Amell? If he's a LI, what would you hope for in his romance?

He's adorable, he's good-looking, and he evolves throughout DA2. I have zero interest in his DA:O version. Never played a FemAmell. Don't assume all Cullen fans are FemAmellTards

I hope he's just the way he is in DA2...? Not sure how to answer that question. I liked him immediately and he was one of those characters that I wished had been a LI or at least companion. I wanted to know more, and still do.

Heh, I wasn't! I've been in his thread a grand total of once and it just looked like mostly F!Amell Wardens in there.

He is cute, and I love his voice. Like others have said, he has seen the extremes both mages and templars can resort to, so he could be a voice of reason. I don't think he's had enough character development to give an actual answer to my last question, but depending on how he's handled (and if he's a companion and LI at all) I could see myself giving his romance a go.

[Battlebloodmage]

Dhiro wrote...



It would be consensual, of course. I'd prefer the PC to be fully aware of what they're getting into. And then I think it would be much like Anders' rivalmance: a clash of polar opposites that refuse to change, pushing eachother without ever moving from their spot.

It would probably work better with DA:O's Cullen, though.

I'm always under the impression that new Cullen is old Cullen on happy pills. We don't know how he would turn out in DA3 considered he pointed his sword against his commander. He could either being promoted for stopping Meredith or send in exile for disobeying orders and aiding the enemies. I'm hoping it's the latter though. A broken Cullen would make better drama.

[Dhiro]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Dhiro wrote...



It would be consensual, of course. I'd prefer the PC to be fully aware of what they're getting into. And then I think it would be much like Anders' rivalmance: a clash of polar opposites that refuse to change, pushing eachother without ever moving from their spot.

It would probably work better with DA:O's Cullen, though.

I'm always under the impression that new Cullen is old Cullen on happy pills. We don't know how he would turn out in DA3 considered he pointed his sword against his commander. He could either being promoted for stopping Meredith or send in exile for disobeying orders and aiding the enemies. I'm hoping it's the latter though. A broken Cullen would make better drama.

New Cullen still seems to be somewhat resentful towards mages, or at least the way how Templars have been losing popularity. Hopefully DA: I will give us a bigger insight of what happened to him since Ferelden's Circle.

[riverbanks]

catharsisboo wrote...

Anyway! I've been thinking about Cullen. What is it about him that interests people? Is it from playing a F!Amell? If he's a LI, what would you hope for in his romance?

Accidentally or not, he's had a great character development arc for being such a side character. You don't even need to flirt with him as a f!Amell to get it, just talk to him a lot. If you exhaust all your dialogue options with him through both games, you watch a green scaredy little boy growing into his own man in his own time, while you went about your business. The problem with people not getting Cullen is mostly that they fail to acknowledge the timeline of events and passage of time between every time you talk to him. The Cullen who's aggressive to mages in DA2 (the one people seem to hang onto the most) is meeting you roughly only one year after the attack on the tower. He's still haunted by fears and trauma that run much deeper than simple chantry indoctrination. But six/seven years pass between that and the end of the game, and by that time he's grown and matured his own views, and has become a completely different man from that guy who was raving about killing ALL the mages!!!!! back in DA:O.

I highly recommend watching his confrontation with Meredith at the end of DA2 played from the templars side, if you've never played it. And remember this happens seven years after he was advocating killing every mage just in case. This is a man who's grown and changed so much that Meredith sounds like the old ghost of him. It makes his growth and evolution as a character clearer than any fan rant can. 

As for what I expect of a potential romance with him... I'm honestly expecting that at the time of the Inquisition Cullen will probably have left the order, or at least be siding with the less radical branch of the now split templars. The ones who don't want to kill everything in sight. He sounded very disillusioned by the end of DA2, having seen the worst in mages and in templars, and sounding weary of the whole thing. From the romance, I'd expect that he's a bit gun-shy (as he's now in his late 30s and probably never had a serious lover), and hesitant to go falling in love now that the world is falling apart. And also that he'll sort of be like Fenris when it comes to the fights you choose to fight - even if you disagree on principle, he'll respect your difference of opinions and ultimately decide that your relationship is not worth splitting political hairs over. 

But I'll honestly be happy just to talk to him again. There's so much I want to ask him, so many things I still want to know that I could only assume from watching him from a distance before...

Modifié par riverbanks, 14 février 2013 - 11:22 .

[Battlebloodmage]

Dhiro wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Dhiro wrote...



It would be consensual, of course. I'd prefer the PC to be fully aware of what they're getting into. And then I think it would be much like Anders' rivalmance: a clash of polar opposites that refuse to change, pushing eachother without ever moving from their spot.

It would probably work better with DA:O's Cullen, though.

I'm always under the impression that new Cullen is old Cullen on happy pills. We don't know how he would turn out in DA3 considered he pointed his sword against his commander. He could either being promoted for stopping Meredith or send in exile for disobeying orders and aiding the enemies. I'm hoping it's the latter though. A broken Cullen would make better drama.

New Cullen still seems to be somewhat resentful towards mages, or at least the way how Templars have been losing popularity. Hopefully DA: I will give us a bigger insight of what happened to him since Ferelden's Circle.

You couldn't really blame him after the trauma he's been through. At least, he's not unreasonable to the point where he could simply ignore Meredith's cruelty. There are just so much we don't know about him. That is why I hope we have him as a LI. He could play a big part in the next game.

[Evil_Jashinist]

motomotogirl wrote...

"That's SO third age," said Dorian, waving his hand to gesture at pretty much all of the Warden's outfit.

later...

"I love this minstrel troupe!" cried Sera, clapping her hands with glee. "Please, I was listening to this troupe before anyone even knew they existed," said Dorian.

YES please let's make this happen BW.

Oh, and let's not forget:  "Yeah I did blood magic when it was still underground and stuff but then the Circles all broke free and then it got all popular and it was just, like... lame and stuff."

[Harle Cerulean]

I have to say, I have zero interest in romancing an evil character. And if we do have a magister companion, and he's not an abnormal anti-slavery magister? It may be the first time I ever kill a companion out of hand (if I'm allowed to by the game). Or, if he's optional, not recruit him in the first place.

(I do often kill Anders, I admit, but it's never just because I don't like him - most of my Hawkes would, that's all. A pro-slavery magister, on the other hand, would die even if my PC wouldn't necessarily do it... though I'm also not sure I'd play a PC who wouldn't, so hey.)

As for Cullen, I don't know. Frankly, his interest in the f!mage!Warden bothered me - I don't find a jailer having a crush on his prisoner romantic at all, and what his writer said about it didn't help that, frankly. While I feel for his trauma in DA:O, and I like him a bit more in DA2, and like how he develops, him with any mage would bother me at this point. I suppose it's unfair of me to feel that way, because people can change, and I know that wel - I love Fenris and a mage Hawke (or any Hawke, but mage is relevant here) and how Fenris grows past his feelings towards magic.

But then, Fenris doesn't have special power over mages or legal status as their hunter/jailer/controller.

[Battlebloodmage]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

I have to say, I have zero interest in romancing an evil character. And if we do have a magister companion, and he's not an abnormal anti-slavery magister? It may be the first time I ever kill a companion out of hand (if I'm allowed to by the game). Or, if he's optional, not recruit him in the first place.

(I do often kill Anders, I admit, but it's never just because I don't like him - most of my Hawkes would, that's all. A pro-slavery magister, on the other hand, would die even if my PC wouldn't necessarily do it... though I'm also not sure I'd play a PC who wouldn't, so hey.)

As for Cullen, I don't know. Frankly, his interest in the f!mage!Warden bothered me - I don't find a jailer having a crush on his prisoner romantic at all, and what his writer said about it didn't help that, frankly. While I feel for his trauma in DA:O, and I like him a bit more in DA2, and like how he develops, him with any mage would bother me at this point. I suppose it's unfair of me to feel that way, because people can change, and I know that wel - I love Fenris and a mage Hawke (or any Hawke, but mage is relevant here) and how Fenris grows past his feelings towards magic.

But then, Fenris doesn't have special power over mages or legal status as their hunter/jailer/controller.

I find stockholm Syndrome to be romantic in certain cases. Phantom of the Opera and Beauty and the Beast both have elements of this, and they were pretty popular.

If you could change the Tevinter mage's opinion, you would still kill him? I would think everyone deserves a chance to redeem themselves. I wouldn't have killed Loghain if Alistair didn't protest. He did many evil things like allowing elf slavery, but it was all for the interest of Ferelden. 

[Harle Cerulean]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Harle Cerulean wrote...

I have to say, I have zero interest in romancing an evil character. And if we do have a magister companion, and he's not an abnormal anti-slavery magister? It may be the first time I ever kill a companion out of hand (if I'm allowed to by the game). Or, if he's optional, not recruit him in the first place.

(I do often kill Anders, I admit, but it's never just because I don't like him - most of my Hawkes would, that's all. A pro-slavery magister, on the other hand, would die even if my PC wouldn't necessarily do it... though I'm also not sure I'd play a PC who wouldn't, so hey.)

As for Cullen, I don't know. Frankly, his interest in the f!mage!Warden bothered me - I don't find a jailer having a crush on his prisoner romantic at all, and what his writer said about it didn't help that, frankly. While I feel for his trauma in DA:O, and I like him a bit more in DA2, and like how he develops, him with any mage would bother me at this point. I suppose it's unfair of me to feel that way, because people can change, and I know that wel - I love Fenris and a mage Hawke (or any Hawke, but mage is relevant here) and how Fenris grows past his feelings towards magic.

But then, Fenris doesn't have special power over mages or legal status as their hunter/jailer/controller.

I find stockholm Syndrome to be romantic in certain cases. Phantom of the Opera and Beauty and the Beast both have elements of this, and they were pretty popular.

If you could change the Tevinter mage's opinion, you would still kill him? I would think everyone deserves a chance to redeem themselves. I wouldn't have killed Loghain if Alistair didn't protest. He did many evil things like allowing elf slavery, but it was all for the interest of Ferelden.

Don't even get me started on Loghain.  I'm not quite sure how selling the citizens your claim you want to protect is supposed to be in any way defensible, and arguing it will go waaay off the topic of this thread. 

And no, I'd probably still kill him.  Chances for redemption are all well and good, but a person like a magister has power and privilege and has abused a hell of a lot of both.  If it takes my PC's magic **** to turn him good, I don't want him around, because that's one shallow redemption.

[riverbanks]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

If you could change the Tevinter mage's opinion, you would still kill him? I would think everyone deserves a chance to redeem themselves. I wouldn't have killed Loghain if Alistair didn't protest. He did many evil things like allowing elf slavery, but it was all for the interest of Ferelden. 

Hum, parenthesis that, even had Loghain's sins been in the actual interest of Ferelden and not the desperate acts of a paranoid Dom Quixote tilting at imaginary windmills, slavery is never acceptable under any higher goals.

That aside, redemption arcs can be good if well written. Sten's and Fenris' story arcs are redemption arcs, they both wanted to find something that could if not redeem their murder sprees, at least allow them to learn to forgive themselves. I don't know that I'd want to be romancing a magister unless he was brilliantly written because I associate the word too heavily with Daenerius, Titus and the stories of horror Fenris told about them, but... never say never. 

Modifié par riverbanks, 14 février 2013 - 11:50 .

[KiwiQuiche]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

I have to say, I have zero interest in romancing an evil character. And if we do have a magister companion, and he's not an abnormal anti-slavery magister? It may be the first time I ever kill a companion out of hand (if I'm allowed to by the game). Or, if he's optional, not recruit him in the first place.

(I do often kill Anders, I admit, but it's never just because I don't like him - most of my Hawkes would, that's all. A pro-slavery magister, on the other hand, would die even if my PC wouldn't necessarily do it... though I'm also not sure I'd play a PC who wouldn't, so hey.)

As for Cullen, I don't know. Frankly, his interest in the f!mage!Warden bothered me - I don't find a jailer having a crush on his prisoner romantic at all, and what his writer said about it didn't help that, frankly. While I feel for his trauma in DA:O, and I like him a bit more in DA2, and like how he develops, him with any mage would bother me at this point. I suppose it's unfair of me to feel that way, because people can change, and I know that wel - I love Fenris and a mage Hawke (or any Hawke, but mage is relevant here) and how Fenris grows past his feelings towards magic.

But then, Fenris doesn't have special power over mages or legal status as their hunter/jailer/controller.

Evil is an incredibly broad term- everyone has different views on different issues. That can also change with how they are roleplaying the PC.

Though it is kinda hard to...endorse slavery I admit lol

With Anders some of my Hawkes kill him to save him- the poor guy's mind is fractured and he's pretty much insane. Still, my freedom fighter mage romanced him and fully endorsed destroying the chantry.

Yes, I don't get the big deal with Cullen-he's fairly creepy in DAO, not to mention he kills innoccent apprentices. But apparently loads of people forget that in DA2. He also thinks mages are more akin to animals, lousy bastard. If he is in DAI I hope I can kill him with some of my characters.