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[Battlebloodmage]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

Like in ME3... there should be LIs that are ONLY for the same-sex protag'

That's what Mr Gaider wanted as well, but resources are very limited, so the bisexuality as some would say will be the way to go in DAI.

[SgtElias]

riverbanks wrote...

Again, he says this line to you when only roughly one year has passed since the Tower rebellion. The story of DA2 ends seven years later, and Cullen has considerably changed and grown in the meanwhile. 

As I said, this is a problem for me, fair or not. I never said that Cullen didn't grow as a character, but I play really, really pro-mage characters, so having a character say that at all is something that's hard for me to get past.

If we're going to be hung up on lines that were said almost a decade ago in universe and let it color our views of characters for ever and ever and ever,

Apparently you missed that part of my post where I said that I was going to judge Cullen's actions in Inquisition alone, and not on what came before.

then let's also be hung up on Alistair's disdain for mages in his very first scene of DA:O and consider him too an enemy of mages forever.

Unless I missed some major dialogue, Alistair never suggested that mages couldn't be treated like human beings.

Or maybe let's not, because no one think it's creepy to romance him with a mage for something he said only a few weeks earlier before he matured out of those ideas and became a better person for it, but Cullen must carry that cross forever when that's canonically not the person he is anymore either because...

Look, I think you read my post as if I was attacking Cullen's character. Which I wasn't, really. I even pointed out that these were my problems with him, and why I thought I, personally, would have a hard time with a Cullen romance.

Anders, who is possibly my favorite character ever, is pretty well despised by a large portion of the fanbase, but I get over it, because those people, even if I don't agree with them, are entitled to their opinions, as I'm entitled to mine.

[SgtElias]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

I wouldn't mind a sad ending to the romance if it builds right. Thane and Jacob's romance were just very basic and no build up in ME3.

I'm not usually a "sad ending" type of person, but Thane. . . I honestly don't think I've ever cried so hard, ever, at any point in any game. And I cry everytime I replay it. I cry and cry, sometimes long after the scene has ended. And I
didn't even romance him!

Battlebloodmage wrote...

With all the talk about Cole, no one yet mention Rhys? I like him a lot in the book. He seems like a very interesting character to romance.

I was very hot and cold with Rhys. I'd love to meet him, but it seemed he and Evangeline had a good thing going.

Modifié par SgtElias, 15 février 2013 - 09:28 .

[riverbanks]

SgtElias wrote...

(...) Look, I think you read my post as if I was attacking Cullen's character. (...)

No, absolutely. Sorry if my tone came out more abrasive than I meant it, you're obviously entitled to your personal views. I just meant to point out that that particular line is a... disingenuous line to be hung up over when presented like that, because it's devoid of context and already outdated even by the time the game ends. To me, getting stuck on that line is the same as getting hung up on Fenris saying he preemptively hates Hawke for being a mage the second they meet, disregarding that we know seven years later he's changed so much he may even be fighting for the mages' lives by Hawke's side. 

And it's not a bone I'm picking with you in particular, most of the fandom thinks like that and I meant it more as a general line, as in... it's a really unfair double standard to hold when we can forgive some characters for saying or doing terrible things by understanding that they outgrew their mistakes over the course of the game, while continuing to needlessly vilify others for the exact same thing. But I know emotional response is a hard beast to tame, hell knows I have my own petty grudges against certain characters that I really ought to have let go of ages ago.

Sorry again if it sounded like I was policing your opinions, wasn't my intention at all. 

Modifié par riverbanks, 15 février 2013 - 10:21 .

[SgtElias]

riverbanks wrote...
Sorry again if it sounded like I was policing your opinions, wasn't my intention at all. 

It's all good.

One way or the other (I think I said this a few pages back), I know Cullen has some very devout fans that would really, really like to see him come back for the next game, and be romancable. I remember how badly I wanted Anders back, so honestly I hope Cullen is in the game. Just because I might be a little hesitant is not reason to dash everyone else's fun.

And as to your point about Fenris, I can't speak for others, but that line about disliking a mage Hawke never really bothered me too much.

It was other things he said later that I had a hard time letting go of, unfair as that may be.

[KiwiQuiche]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

I wouldn't mind a sad ending to the romance if it builds right. Thane and Jacob's romance were just very basic and no build up in ME3.

It certainlly didn't help Thane's romance that everyone seemed to forget he existed, Femshep included. It made it fairly...annoying, to say the least.

I'm all for sad ending to romances as long as it is done right, having a LI die due to the PC's actions would be interesting. Kinda like how Alistair will kill the Archdemon himself, getting killed in the process if you didn't do the ritual and brought him along in DAO? That was a sad ending, but I felt like it was done right. It was a genuine repercussion to the Warden's actions.

[Battlebloodmage]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

I wouldn't mind a sad ending to the romance if it builds right. Thane and Jacob's romance were just very basic and no build up in ME3.

It certainlly didn't help Thane's romance that everyone seemed to forget he existed, Femshep included. It made it fairly...annoying, to say the least.

I'm all for sad ending to romances as long as it is done right, having a LI die due to the PC's actions would be interesting. Kinda like how Alistair will kill the Archdemon himself, getting killed in the process if you didn't do the ritual and brought him along in DAO? That was a sad ending, but I felt like it was done right. It was a genuine repercussion to the Warden's actions.

I would like for there to be a confrontation with the PC but with more emotion this time. Maybe the LI suspected you of something you didn't and forced to kill you or maybe they're being blackmailed. 

I agree with your first point, I wish they would make a bigger deal out of the companion's death instead of hand-wave it every single time. It would be nice if it was due to the PC's fault and people start to blame you for it. 

[KiwiQuiche]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

I wouldn't mind a sad ending to the romance if it builds right. Thane and Jacob's romance were just very basic and no build up in ME3.

It certainlly didn't help Thane's romance that everyone seemed to forget he existed, Femshep included. It made it fairly...annoying, to say the least.

I'm all for sad ending to romances as long as it is done right, having a LI die due to the PC's actions would be interesting. Kinda like how Alistair will kill the Archdemon himself, getting killed in the process if you didn't do the ritual and brought him along in DAO? That was a sad ending, but I felt like it was done right. It was a genuine repercussion to the Warden's actions.

I would like for there to be a confrontation with the PC but with more emotion this time. Maybe the LI suspected you of something you didn't and forced to kill you or maybe they're being blackmailed. 

I agree with your first point, I wish they would make a bigger deal out of the companion's death instead of hand-wave it every single time. It would be nice if it was due to the PC's fault and people start to blame you for it. 

That would be interesting-miscommunication and whatnot. I know many people who romanced Anders felt extremely betrayed by this actions in Act 3. Also having someone delibertly manipulating you and your LI (maybe even another a teammate?) would be an interesting angle.

Yup, even if she could have said "I miss Thane." but instead is was "I miss Ashley/random civilians". Not good form, Bioware.
One of things I liked about Wrex's confrontaing at the Citadel if you wreaked the cure- he hurls Ashley in your face, claiming how she idn't here to do your dirty work, and he gets very scathing if you killed her during the Coup. Wouldn't mind more references like that in DAI

[Chiramu]

karushna5 wrote...

I am pretty sure they will be in the game, if Cullen is romanceable, pretty sure he will be a gay option as well, which may be interesting. None of the other characters are out so hard to tell. Anything they put out will be interesting.

Maker no. The only reason he could flirt with male wardens in the Circle was because of someone's mod and that made your male warden look like a woman to Alistair and Cullen...

Why oh why do so many people like destroying characters?

[sarakirrer]

Chiramu wrote...

karushna5 wrote...

I am pretty sure they will be in the game, if Cullen is romanceable, pretty sure he will be a gay option as well, which may be interesting. None of the other characters are out so hard to tell. Anything they put out will be interesting.

Maker no. The only reason he could flirt with male wardens in the Circle was because of someone's mod and that made your male warden look like a woman to Alistair and Cullen...

Why oh why do so many people like destroying characters?

I don't think it would destroy his character if BioWare revealed that he was bisexual. Maybe he just wasn't attracted to male mage Warden--I know mine certainly wasn't a paragon of beauty!  

We know nothing of Cullen's romantic interactions with anyone else outside of Female Amell. It's been, what, ten years since he had a crush on her in the Circle Tower? His character arc has had him evolve a lot since then, and it wouldn't be far-fetched if he learned more about his sexuality over the years, as well. 

Of course, it's equally possible that he's a straight guy, and that'd be fine, too--but in that case, we wouldn't be getting him as a romanceable companion, since all our romance options will be bisexual as in DA2.

[Plaintiff]

Chiramu wrote...

karushna5 wrote...

I am pretty sure they will be in the game, if Cullen is romanceable, pretty sure he will be a gay option as well, which may be interesting. None of the other characters are out so hard to tell. Anything they put out will be interesting.

Maker no. The only reason he could flirt with male wardens in the Circle was because of someone's mod and that made your male warden look like a woman to Alistair and Cullen...

Why oh why do so many people like destroying characters?

It's official, folks. Non-straight characters are destroyed characters.

[KiwiQuiche]

Chiramu wrote...

karushna5 wrote...

I am pretty sure they will be in the game, if Cullen is romanceable, pretty sure he will be a gay option as well, which may be interesting. None of the other characters are out so hard to tell. Anything they put out will be interesting.

Maker no. The only reason he could flirt with male wardens in the Circle was because of someone's mod and that made your male warden look like a woman to Alistair and Cullen...

Why oh why do so many people like destroying characters?

They made Kaidan bi in ME3. I didn't think it destroyed his character.

[sarakirrer]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Chiramu wrote...

karushna5 wrote...

I am pretty sure they will be in the game, if Cullen is romanceable, pretty sure he will be a gay option as well, which may be interesting. None of the other characters are out so hard to tell. Anything they put out will be interesting.

Maker no. The only reason he could flirt with male wardens in the Circle was because of someone's mod and that made your male warden look like a woman to Alistair and Cullen...

Why oh why do so many people like destroying characters?

They made Kaidan bi in ME3. I didn't think it destroyed his character.

My impression was that they didn't suddenly decide he was bisexual in ME3 but that BioWare cut all the M/M content for Kaiden in ME1... Is that true? It's depressing that they would feel the need to cut a character's M/M content for whatever reason...

[Dhiro]

Plaintiff wrote...

Chiramu wrote...

karushna5 wrote...

I am pretty sure they will be in the game, if Cullen is romanceable, pretty sure he will be a gay option as well, which may be interesting. None of the other characters are out so hard to tell. Anything they put out will be interesting.

Maker no. The only reason he could flirt with male wardens in the Circle was because of someone's mod and that made your male warden look like a woman to Alistair and Cullen...

Why oh why do so many people like destroying characters?

It's official, folks. Non-straight characters are destroyed characters.

Such is the power of the gay agenda. Look at it and despair, for no character is safe from our fashionable grasp.

[Cellophanatic]

Does someone care to enlighten the woefully uninformed?
I just happen to have absolutely no idea who these Dorian or Sera characters are...
Any info would be appreciated.

[Dhiro]

Cellophanatic wrote...

Does someone care to enlighten the woefully uninformed?
I just happen to have absolutely no idea who these Dorian or Sera characters are...
Any info would be appreciated.

They're from a leaked survey, basically. In the survey, Dorian is a Magister while Sera seems to have ties with the underworld.

[Plaintiff]

Dhiro wrote...

Cellophanatic wrote...

Does someone care to enlighten the woefully uninformed?
I just happen to have absolutely no idea who these Dorian or Sera characters are...
Any info would be appreciated.

They're from a leaked survey, basically. In the survey, Dorian is a Magister while Sera seems to have ties with the underworld.

Greek or criminal?

[Dhiro]

Plaintiff wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

Cellophanatic wrote...

Does someone care to enlighten the woefully uninformed?
I just happen to have absolutely no idea who these Dorian or Sera characters are...
Any info would be appreciated.

They're from a leaked survey, basically. In the survey, Dorian is a Magister while Sera seems to have ties with the underworld.

Greek or criminal?

Thief, actually.

[Cellophanatic]

Dhiro wrote...

Cellophanatic wrote...

Does someone care to enlighten the woefully uninformed?
I just happen to have absolutely no idea who these Dorian or Sera characters are...
Any info would be appreciated.

They're from a leaked survey, basically. In the survey, Dorian is a Magister while Sera seems to have ties with the underworld.

Ok, Thank you. 

[Battlebloodmage]

Chiramu wrote...

karushna5 wrote...

I am pretty sure they will be in the game, if Cullen is romanceable, pretty sure he will be a gay option as well, which may be interesting. None of the other characters are out so hard to tell. Anything they put out will be interesting.

Maker no. The only reason he could flirt with male wardens in the Circle was because of someone's mod and that made your male warden look like a woman to Alistair and Cullen...

Why oh why do so many people like destroying characters?

He was just a minor character, and we barely have any information about him or his personal life. Mr. Gaider was surprised at how popular he was despite being such minor roles. You're acting like Cullen was just a deep character that making him a sexuality would ruin who he is. He would still be the same person as before. We don't even know if he's a romanceable character so save your possessiveness until they release who the LIs are. 

[CuriousArtemis]

It's funny that people think taking a character from straight to bi fundamentally changes that character. Funny and kind of sad lol

I mean if you learned that a friend or co-worker, whom you previously thought had been straight, revealed that he was bi... how would that change anything about him? It might be surprising, but after the initial surprise, life would go on as it had before, and he'd still be the same person.

[CuriousArtemis]

And also there is the fact that Cullen is a CHARACTER. Not even a real person. So even if a writer came out and said... yes, he was straight in DA:O. But we're going to make him bi in DA3.

That changes... what? Um, nothing, really. He's still the same character. Made the same choices. Loyal templar. Let mage Hawke go. Defied Meredith. Yadda yadda.

[SgtElias]

Chiramu wrote...

Maker no. The only reason he could flirt with male wardens in the Circle was because of someone's mod and that made your male warden look like a woman to Alistair and Cullen...

Why oh why do so many people like destroying characters?

I know I'm not the first to say this, but just because a guy doesn't hit on you (or, in this case, your Warden) doesn't mean he's straight straight straight forever.

I'm rather curious now how many people think I'm straight, because I've never hit on women in front of them.

[CuriousArtemis]

SgtElias wrote...

I'm rather curious now how many people think I'm straight, because I've never hit on women in front of them. 

Oh, you are ALWAYS assumed straight unless proven guilty gay. And bi, what's that? People can't comprehend that!

[Fredward]

^ Yeah tell me about it.

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

***ASUNDER SPOILERS***

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

so what really interests me about the potential romance is helping him work through all his stuff and helping him find out who he is. Also: dat tragic backstory.

That would be amazing, yeah =) He could have amazing development, where he could possibly end up pretty different depending on how he is treated in DA3.

As much as I'd love to see him grow up though, I wouldn't want the -very- core of who he was in Asunder change. Feels like he would become another character by that point =) Of course, he has every excuse to go through that. I just... really... really wanted to hug that damn boy so bad.

No matter what happens, I want to see a bearded ManQuisitor paragon hug him. I feel like I would cry. Oh please, let me cry. Then make Cole die terribly or something and break my heart completely. Oh please bring it...

I'm a sick individual =(

***ASUNDER SPOILERS***

I loves me a good tragimance. They're the only kind of romance that REALLY sticks. For me anyway.


As for Rhys... He felt incredibly stock yah know? Like a real goody-two-shoes type bro. Except when he got mad, he was mildly interesting when he was angry. But yeah I'd definitely prefer Evangeline.