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sarakirrer wrote...



100% agree with these comments--while I don't see Anders as an alpha male, I see Fenris fitting that archetype even less. I don't think we've ever seen the "alpha male" type in any of our (romanceable) companions... Allistair is also a follower by nature and doesn't contradict the Warden unless s/he is doing something really morally reprehensible. And Zevran certainly doesn't have that sort of personality, either.

Fenris and Anders really seemed dependent on Hawke not only for their own well-being but also for their sanity (Anders outright says this, and Fenris' sanity certainly would have been in danger of losing what was left of his sanity if he had gone back to Danerius after he met Hawke). I would really enjoy seeing a more independent romanceable male who can support the PC and who the PC can lean on, rather than someone whose sanity is dependent on the PC. I guess I don't want an "alpha male" per se, just an independent guy that can be a PARTNER to the PC, with the PC supporting the LI and the LI supporting the PC. Anders and Fenris both had too much outside (and internal) issues going on to provide that function for Hawke, IMO.

This is part of the reason why I really enjoyed Varric in DA2--he was independent, but he was also always there for Hawke and the other companions, and he always projected the attitude that he would go to Hawke if he needed help, but that Hawke could also go to him if s/he needed emotional support.  ...That's not to say that I think we need a Varric clone or that I'm insinuating that I think Varric SHOULD have been romanceable in DA2... I would just like to see a companion with that kind of attitude in the future.

While I really loved the drama of the Anders/Hawke relationship (I was lucky enough to romance him on my first playthrough, before I had any idea what he was going to do with the Chantry), I'd also like to see a healthy relationship that is challenged by OUTSIDE issues rather than the questionable sanity of one or more of the parties involved. :lol:

Back off ladies, Varric belongs to Bianca. :lol:

I would like an equal partner relationship, the male LI needs to be more assertive and wouldn't just agree with everything the PC has to do or say. I would like to romance a leader of a rebellion group, either a mage or rogue templars, who think for themselves and don't depend on PC for emotional support. Both Fenris and Anders' relationship have been about taking when it should have been a give and take relationship. They both depend too much on Hawke that I feel like Hawke was taking advantage of their fragile emtions. I really want the relationship to be more about them rather than the issues they were facing with. In most of the cutscenes between LIs in DAO, the talk is about the LI's relationship with the warden like the rose from Alistair while the cutscenes from DA2 seems more to be about their own personal issues. 

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I completely agree, sarakirrer. I'm not that interested in the alpha male archetype, personally, and would simply prefer a character that the PC can rely on.

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Battlebloodmage wrote...
Back off ladies, Varric belongs to Bianca. :lol:

I would like an equal partner relationship, the male LI needs to be more assertive and wouldn't just agree with everything the PC has to do or say. I would like to romance a leader of a rebellion group, either a mage or rogue templars, who think for themselves and don't depend on PC for emotional support. Both Fenris and Anders' relationship have been about taking when it should have been a give and take relationship. They both depend too much on Hawke that I feel like Hawke was taking advantage of their fragile emtions. I really want the relationship to be more about them rather than the issues they were facing with. In most of the cutscenes between LIs in DAO, the talk is about the LI's relationship with the warden like the rose from Alistair while the cutscenes from DA2 seems more to be about their own personal issues. 


Bianca stands in my way once again! :(

Anyway, I completely agree about the "take and take" dynamic rather than the "give and take" dynamic. I feel like both parties were taking advantage of the other person in the relationship in both the Fenris and Anders romances.

I would also really like to see the relationship be about the two people... Like, I want to see some courtship!! While I appreciated that Anders took the initiative to say he wanted to be with the PC, I feel like his intense feelings caused him to skip the courtship phase. Like, the first time you flirt with him, he's all, "Oh, no, I can't be with you, I will break your heart." I wish I could have been like, "Hey, chill out my friend, I just wanted to tell you that you had a hot bod." 

Fenris' relationship also seemed to skip the courtship--rather than actually working through the relationship together, it was just Fenris needing to go away and think about things for a while. Sometimes days, sometimes, years. I hope in the future that we could work out those issues WITH the love interest (though I understand that it was in character and appropriate for Fenris to react that way--it just wasn't my cup of tea in a romance).

I don't NEED the "mushy" romance, like Alistair giving the Warden a rose (though I did think this was totally adorable), but I would love to have some indication (like that), that the love interest has been thinking about pursuing the PC even while you aren't talking to them. This would have been especially appreciated in DA2 because you so seldomly get to speak to your companions. I hope they spread the romance out more evenly in DA:I!

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Well. I have to admit to being satisfied with all the DA romances thus far lol Only thing I would agree with is that there seemed a lot missing from the DA2 romances. That said, the Fenris romance is still my favorite.

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It'd be tough implementing a true "alpha" cuz when it comes down to it your protag is the one calling the shots. To me a true alpha just wouldn't do something if they didn't want to. Or disagreed with it. But yeah I don't really like the idea of an alpha, I like a dominant/strong/independent personality but I utterly resent people telling me what to do. Especially when it comes to personal decisions. So yeah I probably wouldn't romance a true alpha. The hate sex would be awesome though. xp

To me Anders was less of an alpha and like more... independent? I don't think he ever told my Hawke what to do. Lulz it would've ended badly. He did that nasty blackmail thing though which lead to some srs resentment. And yeah Fenris was pretty far from an alpha. The closest thing I think Bioware has come to romancing an alpha would be Morrigan I think.

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sarakirrer wrote...
I don't NEED the "mushy" romance, like Alistair giving the Warden a rose (though I did think this was totally adorable), but I would love to have some indication (like that), that the love interest has been thinking about pursuing the PC even while you aren't talking to them. This would have been especially appreciated in DA2 because you so seldomly get to speak to your companions. I hope they spread the romance out more evenly in DA:I!


Kinda gives me some ideas... Like if the PC has their own room in the possible castle we might get or just room in HQ, maybe you could find something small and romantic there. Like a flower or some friggin' liquor because you're saving the world and need to relax when you have the chance. Or maybe one of the LIs is just too damn proud/shy/awkward with words and writes down his or her feelings on paper, and you then go to confront them about it, leading to the actual romance scene.

Or mayby a more practical LI gives you a weapon depending on your class. Fully possible for companions to do things like that on just full friendship too of course. xD 

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Battlebloodmage wrote...

With all the talk about Cole, no one yet mention Rhys? I like him a lot in the book. He seems like a very interesting character to romance.

I like Rhys, but I'd be disappointed if they destroyed his relationship with Evangeline for the sake of making him a LI in DA3 though.

Cole would have to do a lot of growing up before I'd consider him as a LI. The term "damaged goods" springs to mind! :D

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We've heard nothing about Rhys even being in the game though, so that point is a bit moot.

Plus if Cole really is a companion, two (or more?) characters from Asunder appearing in the party seems a bit unusual.

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syllogi wrote...

As for him being game breaking, he managed to interact with more than one person at a time for a while, even if they started forgetting him after they left his company.  I think it could be really interesting to have him in the party...and it could also be potentially funny.


If I remember correctly (and I might not) there was a small faction that felt that Cole couldn't possibly be included because he'd be so overpowered (everyone forgets him, can basically turn himself invisible, etc) that he'd be able to take out anything or anyone.

Personally, I don't happen to agree, but whatever. I figure if they can take something like blood magic, which is a huge, huge deal in the lore, and make it a playable specialization that really wasn't too impressive (or so I've heard), I'm sure Cole can be worked into the game without destroying the setting forever and ever.

And I agree with you, Syllogi, about a Cole romance; I'd be very hesitant at first, unless he's quite different from how he was in Asunder.

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ElitePinecone wrote...

We've heard nothing about Rhys even being in the game though, so that point is a bit moot.

Plus if Cole really is a companion, two (or more?) characters from Asunder appearing in the party seems a bit unusual.


Now I need to ask the obvious question, but why would the Asunder characters be companions? 

I must admit i'm not fully privy to how the books work, but I do know it has its own canon vs being in the official chronology of the series. Plus if we were to look at the examples given with Mass Effect, characters in the books pop up as guests/easter eggs or villains vs full-fledged companions.  So Cole and Rhys might be the "monster of the week" easter egg versus full-fledged companions, truthfully it seems more likely. 

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Cole is really ugly 0_0

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LinksOcarina wrote...
why would the Asunder characters be companions? 


Cole was heavily hinted to be a companion in the marketing survey, if not outright stated to be one - I'd have to check the specific wording from the thread.  

The canon situation of the books (and comics, etc) is a bit complex, but if I remember correctly, to paraphrase David Gaider the main events in the books will happen under all circumstances and for all players; we can assume that they happened somehow even if key characters (like Wynne) were killed in other timelines. It doesn't mean that the books will never be referenced, and indeed it seems that Fiona from The Calling is a significant leader for the mages by 9:40 Dragon. 

That means Cole probably exists for all players regardless of their Origins choices, and is still wandering around Orlais (even Val Royeaux, which is where Lambert was, I think?) by the time of the third game.

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ElitePinecone wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...
why would the Asunder characters be companions? 


Cole was heavily hinted to be a companion in the marketing survey, if not outright stated to be one - I'd have to check the specific wording from the thread.  

The canon situation of the books (and comics, etc) is a bit complex, but if I remember correctly, to paraphrase David Gaider the main events in the books will happen under all circumstances and for all players; we can assume that they happened somehow even if key characters (like Wynne) were killed in other timelines. It doesn't mean that the books will never be referenced, and indeed it seems that Fiona from The Calling is a significant leader for the mages by 9:40 Dragon. 

That means Cole probably exists for all players regardless of their Origins choices, and is still wandering around Orlais (even Val Royeaux, which is where Lambert was, I think?) by the time of the third game.

 

Yeah, basically this.  The events still happen, they just happen slightly differently.  If Wynne is dead at the Circle Tower in your game's universe, then it's some other mage who leads the mission to find Pharamond, etc.  Since Cole isn't someone whose existence is contradicted by any possible choices in DA:O or DA2, he could conceivably be in DA3; they'd just need to avoid him making any references to Wynne directly, or gate them to people whose saves she's alive in, if possible.

The comics, I'm less clear about - I know some things are canon, because no choices in DA:O or DA2 have anything to do with them whatsoever, like character backstories that occurred before either game and are simply revealed in the comics (stuff with Isabela's backstory, for example), but while I assume drunk! and Warden! Alistair could also go looking for [spoiler], I'm not sure who would take his place if he were executed, so I'm not certain if the comics would even take place if Alistair is dead.  (Unless Fiona's kid ISN'T Alistair, in which case it could be that son of Maric - but I tend to believe Alistair is Fiona's, because it makes little sense to show us her baby, tell us he's going to be raised as human, thinking his mother was a servant ... and give us Alistair, who fits those criteria, but have the baby not be Alistair.)

ANYWAYS.  Yeah.  Cole is possible for DA3.  They would need to introduce him in a way that doesn't rely on you having read Asunder, though.  Ditto for any Asunder characters who may or may not show up, really.

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FaWa wrote...

Cole is really ugly 0_0


Skinny guy with scruffy, blond hair? Sounds perfect to me!

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Kazanth wrote...

FaWa wrote...

Cole is really ugly 0_0


Skinny guy with scruffy, blond hair? Sounds perfect to me!

ikr? Justin Bieber is perfect. :lol:

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Battlebloodmage wrote...

Kazanth wrote...

FaWa wrote...

Cole is really ugly 0_0


Skinny guy with scruffy, blond hair? Sounds perfect to me!

ikr? Justin Bieber is perfect. :lol:



Cole doesn't sound like the type to use hair or skin products. I'm sure he'll be fine.

Especially if he looks anything like this.

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Yeah where does the Cole is ugly thing come from? Granted I read the book quite a while back but from what I can remember his defining factors were scruffy + blonde + skinny (physically speaking ofc). Not exactly great indicators of precise looks. Which is smart since there's the possibility of him being a companion.

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Scruffy, blond, and skinny? Well hell, he sounds adorable! lol

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We had a lot of "pretty boys" in the series already. I don't mind Cole, but I do hope we get at least a scruffy guy as a LI.

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Battlebloodmage wrote...

We had a lot of "pretty boys" in the series already. I don't mind Cole, but I do hope we get at least a scruffy guy as a LI.

I definitely second this. While I wouldn't classify Alistair as "pretty boy," I do find that I enjoy the "unkempt" look immensely.

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Battlebloodmage wrote...

Kazanth wrote...

FaWa wrote...

Cole is really ugly 0_0


Skinny guy with scruffy, blond hair? Sounds perfect to me!

ikr? Justin Bieber is perfect. :lol:



I don't have a thing for blondes...but I do like skinny guys....

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SgtElias wrote...

I definitely second this. While I wouldn't classify Alistair as "pretty boy," I do find that I enjoy the "unkempt" look immensely. 


Well I thought Anders was a bit unkempt. He had scruff! :P But I know what you guys mean.

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motomotogirl wrote...

SgtElias wrote...

I definitely second this. While I wouldn't classify Alistair as "pretty boy," I do find that I enjoy the "unkempt" look immensely. 


Well I thought Anders was a bit unkempt. He had scruff! :P But I know what you guys mean.

I thought so, too! But I know that a lot of people felt he was sort of . . . prissy about his image.

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I don't find anything about Cole attractive, but Anders was blond, skinny and scruffy. His torso had a weird cilinder shape, but his arms were twigs compared to Hawke's.

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Dhiro wrote...

I don't find anything about Cole attractive, but Anders was blond, skinny and scruffy. His torso had a weird cilinder shape, but his arms were twigs compared to Hawke's.


Oh gawd, so true lol That's why I usually take him out of his default outfit as soon as possible. He looks particularly good in the mage starter outfit, by the way ;)