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[SgtElias]

Tootles FTW wrote...

EDIT - And also, can we finally get some dark-haired men please?!

Seconded! Not that this is required for their romance to be amazing (or required for anything, really), but I'd still really enjoy some romancable male characters with darker hair.

[Battlebloodmage]

No way, gay romance is immoral. 


j/k, I'm a bit tired of the light haired romance, I want LIs with dark haired like Kaidan. My OTP is probably gonna be Cullen/male inquisitor, but it would be nice to have options. 

[kalasaurus]

A Kaidan mage would be nice in DA: I

[PinkDiamondstl]

Why is this  even in our games...
These threads should be blocked.  Where are the news threads ?? I think I'm gonna be sick...:sick::sick::sick:

Modifié par PinkDiamondstl, 12 février 2013 - 07:18 .

[Xiomara]

Hanz54321 wrote...

Cullen was heterosexual in Origins. If you were a male mage = zero interest. Female mage = he discusses being attracted.

I know, I know. Perhaps he was bi-sexual and just did not find the male warden attratcive. But I find it highly unlikely that the writers were that specific. More than likely if he were bisexual he would've come on to the warden regrdless of sex.

So ret-conning him to be gay or bi would disappoint me as much as ret-conning anything else in the game. It's a consistency of character issue for me. I like canon.

I like canon too.....but I really don't care when it comes to romance. Didn't bother me with Anders and Kaiden. In fact I loved it with Anders and Kaiden. I like retcons too it seems.

[Battlebloodmage]

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

Why is this  even in our games...
These threads should be blocked.  Where are the news threads ?? I think I'm gonna be sick...:sick::sick::sick:

Ignore the trolls. I don't want this thread to get locked for flaming.

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 12 février 2013 - 07:26 .

[CuriousArtemis]

GlassElephant wrote...

A Kaidan mage would be nice in DA: I

Have you seen that great set of fanart one fan did of all the ME characters in the DA universe? Kaidan made a really sexy mage! 

[CuriousArtemis]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

Why is this  even in our games...
These threads should be blocked.  Where are the news threads ?? I think I'm gonna be sick...:sick::sick::sick:

Ignore the trolls. I don't want this thread to get locked for flaming.

We could just resurrect the old thread. Which somehow managed to remain miraculously safe from trolls or even "I hate all-bi" and "ret-conning is evil" people.

[Battlebloodmage]

Hanz54321 wrote...

Cullen was heterosexual in Origins. If you were a male mage = zero interest. Female mage = he discusses being attracted.

I know, I know. Perhaps he was bi-sexual and just did not find the male warden attratcive. But I find it highly unlikely that the writers were that specific. More than likely if he were bisexual he would've come on to the warden regrdless of sex.

So ret-conning him to be gay or bi would disappoint me as much as ret-conning anything else in the game. It's a consistency of character issue for me. I like canon.

His character is in a very blank state. I don't think it's farfetched to say that he hasn't realized his feeling for males or just wasn't able to act on it like Kaidan. 

[Battlebloodmage]

motomotogirl wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

Why is this  even in our games...
These threads should be blocked.  Where are the news threads ?? I think I'm gonna be sick...:sick::sick::sick:

Ignore the trolls. I don't want this thread to get locked for flaming.

We could just resurrect the old thread. Which somehow managed to remain miraculously safe from trolls or even "I hate all-bi" and "ret-conning is evil" people.

Let's see how this thread goes first. I like a fresh start, and it would be easier to attract new comers this way. That old threads had too many comments already. 

[riverbanks]

(...) Maybe this time just make it so that the gay options don't hit on you unless you flirt with them first to avoid making insecure straight male players feel uncomfortable the way they famously did with Anders (though I admit I wasn't a fan of Liara putting me on the spot back in ME either, so I understand where they're coming from).

Gaider's already said they've heard enough whining about Anders to not go that way again, so that's that. 

But... I think it's kind of disingenuous to treat this as a "gay options" issue when it's really more about the enforcing of this notion of "the right romance" onto your character. Both DA and ME do this with straight romances, and it's really tiresome, both as a gameplay experience and as a fandom point of friction (as the numerous OGB and "Morrigan must return because I romanced her and screw everyone else" threads show). The only difference with DA2 is that a bunch of straight male players who only play as straight male characters finally felt with Anders what everyone else had been feeling for years with Morrigan and Liara, so it became a "gay" problem.  

As in, the DA:O narrative strongly suggests you should romance Morrigan when playing a male Warden or else you're playing it wrong. And then, after all the effort you've possibly put into building other romances (specially Zevran, which only locks in when you're like five minutes from finishing the game), your choices all culminate in that terribad "you MUST sleep with our favorite honeyboo Morri-Morri or you will DIE" twist, to add insult to injury. If you want to live but refuse to prostitute Alistair or Loghain for your life, the game essentially forces you to sleep with Morrigan whether you wanted to have any kind of sexual tension with her or not. Your Warden is 100% gay? Sorry, it's straight sex or death. I know -I know- that's not what anyone at BW intended with that twist at all, but death of the author and all. 

Liara in Mass Effect is even worse. She imposes her feelings onto the player and acts like you're in a relationship with her throughout the entire trilogy, regardless of whether you're romancing someone else (or no one), regardless of how well or how badly you treat her, and regardless of you telling her in loud and clear words, we are NOT in a relationship ok goodbye. Then, worse than Morrigan who at least tells you in no uncertain terms what your choices are, Liara can actually ninja the player with a trick dialogue choice and impregnate herself with your Shepard's blue baby without their knowledge or consent. That's just... there are ways to respectfully make a character have a crush on yours when you don't feel the same way, Tali is proof of that. Liara's obsession is just out of this world.  

And then back to the point, Anders' own obsession with Hawke feels wrong to a lot of people not just due to homophobia -though yeah that's obviously a huge part of it; but also because he was the favored romance this time (to the point of the game effectively stopping you in your tracks to tell you you've romanced the wrong guy, if you're with Fenris), and a lot of male fans noticed how the weight of the narrative pushing and pushing and pushing you into romancing one character whether you want to or not really grates after a while. Those male fans who'd gone with Morrigan and Liara before had never felt that kind of pressure until Anders pulled the exact same number on them... and happened to be a male character.   

That is, I think, the real core of the problem. Liara and Anders grate on you whether you're playing your hero male or female, it's not a matter of Anders only annoys male players and Liara only annoys female players. It's not so much about making the "gay options" not flirt with you unsolicited, as much as it is about stopping with the whole notion of the favored LI in each game and just letting the player decide who they want to romance (or not). I should not be forced to sleep with Morrigan, or keep having to burst through Liara's delusions, or put up with Anders making little scenes, if I have no interest in romancing them. If there's no canon hero, there should be no pseudo-canon romance either. Though it's hilarious and almost vindicating to me as a queer person that the closest to a "canon" you get in DA2 (as far as the clearest, most lore-filled and best explained chain of events goes) is with a male Hawke romancing Anders, in the words of Gaider himself, it's just not worth the headache.  

So that's the one aspect I really wish they're improving on, I guess. Keep the great romance writing (I love it, I genuinely love all the DA romances so far, including Morrigan's and Anders' btw), but do away with playing favorites so we don't get this constant feeling of "wow get off my back" when we're making different choices and certain characters just won't quit.  

edit: wow really sorry about the wall-o'-text 

Modifié par riverbanks, 12 février 2013 - 08:19 .

[CuriousArtemis]

We'll probably run out of stuff to say, just like last time. There just isn't anything to go on at present since we don't have any characters.

Although I'd be curious to know what kind of inquisitor you guys all intend to make!! (Do we know for a fact we will be playing an inquisitor? Should I just say DA3 PC?)

I'm going to start off with an archer rogue. I hope there will be some great hair choices. I want shaggy brown shoulder-length hair or black hair in a ponytail (long ponytail, and NOT that stiff, play-do looking ponytail from DA2.. I'm talking free-flowing-in-the-wind-lovely-and-majestic-ponytail). Small-to-medium body size (normally I would make an elf, so have to compromise here), snarky attitude (brown hair) OR thoughtful and serious (ponytail).

If I have to make a macho guy like Hawke, I will have to rethink this. In that case I will probably go with blond, short hair, some facial scruff but no beard, and serious and thoughtful attitude. And still a rogue.

[Tootles FTW]

motomotogirl wrote...

^ It's already been stated that it will be same as DA2, two girls, two guys, all hero-sexual. So nothing to discuss here either.

It was confirmed that the number of love interests are 2/2 again?  I've been on the forums since they sprung up and have yet to see this - which dev comfirmed it (if you don't mind)? 

I was wondering if they'd stick with the 2/2 or bump it up to 3/3.  From the survey leaks it seemed to me there were three potential male LI's - Cullen, Cole & the Tevinter magister...if LI's can be determined by "relatively young & good looking".

[CuriousArtemis]

Wall o texts can be fun xD

I never felt like there was a canon romance UNTIL I came to BSN and stepped into fandom. Now I feel like I "should" have played a female Cousland or Amell and romanced Alistair because I am a straight female. And I feel like I "should" have romanced Anders or Fenris with a female Hawke because I am a straight female.

Not because there are hordes of women on this forum degrading me for my in-game choices (far from it lol) but because that's JUST what most people did and what they naturally want to talk about and fangirl over.

That's why this thread and others like it are nice if you made choices or intend to make choices that stray from the norm

[CuriousArtemis]

Tootles FTW wrote...

It was confirmed that the number of love interests are 2/2 again?  I've been on the forums since they sprung up and have yet to see this - which dev comfirmed it (if you don't mind)?  

I believe it was Mr. DG.

[upsettingshorts]

There was no confirmation.

BioWare hasn't confirmed anything about DA:I beyond the fact it exists.

[Battlebloodmage]

This is my walkthrough under the assumption that Cullen is one of the LIs:

Since I have dark hair, I want my avatar to reflect that. I love playing a mage, so that much is obvious. The irony of Cullen falling in love with a mage twice is just too delicious to pass up.

I'm planning to play a bloodmage if it's possible, just hope poor Cullen doesn't freak out though. Depending on who the other LIs are, I could change it up and play as a rogue. I have never been a big fan of warriors. 

[New Display Name]

just hope poor Cullen doesn't freak out though.

He should. He's a templar.

[Battlebloodmage]

I kinda want an older male LI. I notice that most LIs are pretty young. The dynamic relationship would probably change a bit if the LI you have is a bit older, maybe someone like Duncan. I always imagine the relationship between two person of roughly the same age to be more equal while if one is older, there is a sense of protective coming from the older LIs. When I romance Merrill, she feels very passive and dependent since she gives off the impression that she's younger than the protagonist. I imagine some of that dynamic would be reverse if the LI is older than you.

[Battlebloodmage]

HJF4 wrote...

just hope poor Cullen doesn't freak out though.

He should. He's a templar.

He could be an ex-templar since he raised his sword against his commander. Not 100%, just speculation. He did protect mages if you side with the templar, so I don't think his prejudice against mages are that deep.

[CuriousArtemis]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

I kinda want an older male LI. I notice that most LIs are pretty young. The dynamic relationship would probably change a bit if the LI you have is a bit older, maybe someone like Duncan. I always imagine the relationship between two person of roughly the same age to be more equal while if one is older, there is a sense of protective coming from the older LIs. When I romance Merrill, she feels very passive and dependent since she gives off the impression that she's younger than the protagonist. I imagine some of that dynamic would be reverse if the LI is older than you.

Do we know how old Zevran is? I pictured Zevran as being in his thirties, and my Warden as my 18ish.

But I know what you mean. I like that protective dynamic (so long as it doesn't verge on creepy). Cullen would definitely be an older LI, though not near Duncan's age I don't think. GAWWWWD I would have loved to romance Duncan LOL

[Harle Cerulean]

I never really got the feeling that Morrigan was the "canon" love interest, I'll be honest. Even playing as male Wardens! This may be in part because I rarely ever spoke to her, because she and I simply did not get along, so we were all happier if I just gave her jewelry and we never spoke. I didn't feel like the OGB decision had anything to do with romance, honestly! Two people making a baby may usually be a romance thing, but in that case, it was rather clearly strictly business. (Unless you are in a romance with her, of course.)

That said, I definitely felt like DA2 tried to push Anders at the player, and not because he flirts first. I have no problem with flirting - the problem is his persistent interest in Hawke that never goes away, over ~six years of game time, even if you turn him down flat the first time he flirts with you. I'd honestly prefer not to deal with that kind of thing. Obsessive Nice Guys are enough of a problem in real life.

(And no comment on Liara, because I've only played ME2. XD)

[CuriousArtemis]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Two people making a baby may usually be a romance thing, but in that case, it was rather clearly strictly business. (Unless you are in a romance with her, of course.)

Oh, except for the fact that my Warden, who had pretty much been gay gay GAAAAAAAAY all his life had this smarmy, "Come here hither baby and let me do you reeeeal goood" smile on his face as he and Morrigan engaged in their ... scene.

[Chris Priestly]

Ok, time to step in here.

I am not confirming or denying ANY romances in DA3.

HOWEVER, we are open to people discussing the idea of romances here. If you do not like romances, or do not like M/F, M/M, F/F, etc romances, you are welcome to STAY OUT of the thread. We do not tolerate homophobia here and such comments on the BSN may lead to people making such comments being banned from the BSN.

Posting "I do not want M/M romances" or similar is fine BUt any comment that, in the mind of staff or moderators is inflammatory, homophobic, cruel or trollish WILL cause us to edit posts and, if needed, ban people.

Too often threads trying to sensibly discuss whether same sex romances should be included or not get derailed. We DO NOT want this to happen here. You have been warned.