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[CuriousArtemis]

karushna5 wrote...

As far as Sebastian, I AM asexual, and some part of me is actually surprised anyone on a romance thread or anywhere honestly have heard of us, Go AVEN for Visibility! So the fact people even care if we feel about that statement makes me happy. Most often response I get is it doesnt exist.

I first learned about it on tumblr  As soon as I learned it was A Thing I tought, oh yes, of course! I sometimes have wished Sheldon on Big Bang Theory would be properly portrayed as asexual, but I'm not sure they want to go there. 

Now I will hush before BBM fusses at me for derailing the thread 

To get us back on track, if there SHOULD be a royal LI for us to woo, would you romance him, encourage him to do the "wrong" thing by his family, and forgo marriage and the heir, all for the love of your PC? I guess it would be sort of like the Sebastian rivalry ... encouraging him to do the "wrong" thing, but hey, you get to be together, so that makes it right, right?

[karushna5]

I realize that, you were not offensive, took me a while to get what you were refering as not a romance, and while I would have agreed before, some romances in Mass Effect 3 were so minor compared to the main romances that my idea of romance includes Sebastian but I see where you are coming from Sorry if that wasnt clear I was just surprised people realized we existed but it is easy for the community to sometimes see slights that were not intended, I was agreeing that Sebastians was lacking... but Samantha Traynor being called a romance has redefined my idea of romance in Bioware lol

As for being on topic. I think another good romance for guys or girls is a caring character who has an agenda...seperate from ours. I think the son issue has been done, but perhaps give the character a sister/brother depending on the PC, who they are helping in some way, like perhaps a Templar who became such to protect his brother.

Maybe make us not know that person is his sibling? Makes them a caring family man without the whole issue of having to be a step parent. And might add a little drama of another guy in his life which is we learn just a sibling?

[KiwiQuiche]

Why can't the royal be female? I'm sick of it be only a prince, give me a kick-ass princess.

That being said, I'm all for homosexual relationships. Unless it's like ME3 where my Femshep was only stuck with ladies at the end of it. Though is it confirmed that the LI in DAI will be bisexual like DA2?

Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 20 février 2013 - 06:13 .

[Battlebloodmage]

motomotogirl wrote...


I first learned about it on tumblr  As soon as I learned it was A Thing I tought, oh yes, of course! I sometimes have wished Sheldon on Big Bang Theory would be properly portrayed as asexual, but I'm not sure they want to go there. 

Now I will hush before BBM fusses at me for derailing the thread 

To get us back on track, if there SHOULD be a royal LI for us to woo, would you romance him, encourage him to do the "wrong" thing by his family, and forgo marriage and the heir, all for the love of your PC? I guess it would be sort of like the Sebastian rivalry ... encouraging him to do the "wrong" thing, but hey, you get to be together, so that makes it right, right?

Hey, that's a low blow. 


To get back on topic, I would like for a chance to convince the royal LI to forgo his heritage and run away with my PC. I'm a big fan of eloping. There is not likely that people would accept a royal marriage between 2 s/s persons. I would like a romance where the LI would put the love of his life above the welfare of the nation. Yes, it  is pretty selfish, but I rather like the novelty idea of it. Someone who would give up everything to be with you seems pretty romantic. 

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 20 février 2013 - 06:43 .

[Battlebloodmage]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Why can't the royal be female? I'm sick of it be only a prince, give me a kick-ass princess.

That being said, I'm all for homosexual relationships. Unless it's like ME3 where my Femshep was only stuck with ladies at the end of it. Though is it confirmed that the LI in DAI will be bisexual like DA2?

I wouldn't mind romancing a princess, but I don't like the usual connotation going along with it. Most games with princesses are usually play the role of "damsel in distress", and I think girls should be kicking ass and taking names, not waiting for the knight or prince to save her. 

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 20 février 2013 - 06:43 .

[karushna5]

I love that idea too! A warrior Princess! Not Xena but an actual warrior class who is also a princess. As a side idea...what specialization would be cool to romance, BUT Blood Mage and Templar not included because the two have been talked about at length.
Spirit Healer? A gruff healer who is tired of always fixing people up so they can kill each other more?
Reaver? Made a deal with a demon and now regrets it because they have a dangerous hunger for souls, something they must fight?
Ranger? A wild and dangerous man, closer to nature than to other people? I imagine a Chasind.

What specialization would sound like a good romance?

[Dhiro]

karushna5 wrote...

I love that idea too! A warrior Princess! Not Xena but an actual warrior class who is also a princess. As a side idea...what specialization would be cool to romance, BUT Blood Mage and Templar not included because the two have been talked about at length.
Spirit Healer? A gruff healer who is tired of always fixing people up so they can kill each other more?
Reaver? Made a deal with a demon and now regrets it because they have a dangerous hunger for souls, something they must fight?
Ranger? A wild and dangerous man, closer to nature than to other people? I imagine a Chasind.

What specialization would sound like a good romance?

Bishop gave me Ranger bias

[karushna5]

Bishop?

[Dhiro]

karushna5 wrote...

Bishop?

From Neverwinter Nights 2. An annoying, rude,  backstabbing bad boy with just enough stubble to be charming. Tortured soul and dark past aside, I just like his voice!

[karushna5]

He seems a little too harsh, I dont think I could deal with a party member who is so mean all the time at least Sten was ignorant, and Shale did it somewhat humorously. On the other hand I never played. Am curious about Chasind culture

[CuriousArtemis]

karushna5 wrote...

Ranger? A wild and dangerous man, closer to nature than to other people? I imagine a Chasind.

Oh wow, a Chasind ... HOT  lol Yes this would be pretty cool. 

I hear you BBM about the "damsel in distress" thing but I kind of don't mind a prissy princess type character so long as her rescuer/lover is a woman. That kind of turns the trope on its head and is fun to read/play!

[SgtElias]

motomotogirl wrote...

To get us back on track, if there SHOULD be a royal LI for us to woo, would you romance him, encourage him to do the "wrong" thing by his family, and forgo marriage and the heir, all for the love of your PC?

I suppose it would depend; I didn't feel (as) guilty putting Anora on the throne because she really wanted to be there, Alistair really didn't, and he was already in a relationship with my PC. That ended up being a very good thing, as I hadn't read any spoilers and didn't know that he'd break up with my mage otherwise!

It's kinda hard for me to say; the "royal" character isn't usually someone I'm interested in romancing. But! As I said. Would depend on the circumstances.

And some people have mentioned that it'd be cool to romance (or seduce, anyway) Empress Celene.

I could get behind that.

[BENIIICHAT]

I'm always want Royal Lover. Heir issue is good but I think May be i'ts easier for both of us If he's just some Prince who do nothing for the throne.

I don't care If he's little Prince or even don't have tilte prince. As long as he has royal blood, noble heart (with some dark side) and charming that enough for me

Modifié par BENIIICHAT, 21 février 2013 - 02:52 .

[Harle Cerulean]

Hmm. I'm not fond of the "abandons all responsibilities for LOVE!" thing, because... I'm a realist. First of all, someone willing to ditch their responsibilities like that is selfish and ... well, irresponsible, and I'm not really attracted to that. Unless there's some unselfish, actually responsible reason for them to want to renounce the throne or whatnot, I'd find that very unappealing.

And second, I don't believe for a second that the initial passion that most people mistake for love is love, and I would fully expect the prince to regret his rash decision and the relationship to become unhappy after a while.

There's also a certain amount of unpleasant manipulation that I could see rising from that kind of thing. "I gave up my THRONE for you, and you can't do this thing you don't want to do for me?"

Meanwhile, if in actual execution, none of the things above applied/happened... I'd feel like I was playing a Disney movie, and I am not a Disney fan. XD All in all, a romance situation I'd prefer to avoid, personally.

That said, I'm not against it being in the game, as long as there's a romance I would enjoy. Kind of like how Alistair is just not my thing, but that's perfectly fine because I have Zevran!

[LinksOcarina]

BENIIICHAT wrote...

I'm always want Royal Lover. Heir issue is good but I think May be i'ts easier for both of us If he's just some Prince who do nothing for the throne.

I don't care If he's little Prince or even don't have tilte prince. As long as he has royal blood, noble heart (with some dark side) and charming that enough for me

Eh...I never really care about the lap of luxery in that regard. A royal lover means little to me if he doesnt have a good personality. If he looks good I guess maybe a side fling would be ok. 

[CuriousArtemis]

Okay to answer my own question.... lol

Well, if it's a romantic story with a happy ending, I'd probably love it lol That's why I'm almost glad Alistair is not available to BroWarden, cause I would have totally rage-quit if I'd gotten that far into the romance and he broke up with my guy LOL

I like the thought of a prince throwing everything away to be with his beloved. But to be honest, a more interesting story would be the pair of them trying to make it work. A la Alistair marrying Anora for necessary political reasons, while keeping his lover on the side. Or a male Cousland marrying Anora and keeping Zevran on the side.

I hate "on the side" ... what I mean is, maintaining the relationship, but also honoring the "relationship" to one's social and political "place."

Again, that would be the more interesting story, but the romantic in me still prefers the "Let's run away together and frolic amongst the flowers and live happily ever after!" lol

[Battlebloodmage]

motomotogirl wrote...

karushna5 wrote...

Ranger? A wild and dangerous man, closer to nature than to other people? I imagine a Chasind.

Oh wow, a Chasind ... HOT  lol Yes this would be pretty cool. 

I hear you BBM about the "damsel in distress" thing but I kind of don't mind a prissy princess type character so long as her rescuer/lover is a woman. That kind of turns the trope on its head and is fun to read/play!

Better, a prince as a damsel in distress. 

I think it would have been nice if Alistair had been available to male warden, and he had turned down the throne to be with the warden. I'm not too fond of being rulers because it would seem to be too much responsibility, although it's not actually throwing it away in this case though since Alistair doesn't want a throne. 

Bioware hasn't had an elope romance yet, and I think David Gaider would have written an awesome "selfish" romance. I'm not too fond of sharing the LI since I'm pretty possessive in real life. I probably wouldn't like it if the prince in question married someone else for political reasons.

 In highsight, Anders romance probably could qualify, but a life of fugitive doesn't sound very romantic. 

Do you like it if the LI is jealous? I love it when the LI become jealous if you're too close to another person. It makes them more real. A little bit of jealousy sounds that they care. In DA2, they barely even notice if you have slept with someone else. 

[Harle Cerulean]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Do you like it if the LI is jealous? I love it when the LI become jealous if you're too close to another person. It makes them more real. A little bit of jealousy sounds that they care. In DA2, they barely even notice if you have slept with someone else. 

That really depends on how much.  Too much, and it's like "Hold on there, you don't own me, jerk."  And any kind of jealousy that results in a physical altercation would be a huge turnoff for me.  A little bit is cute and sweet, but it's easy to go too far with it for my tastes.  I loved Zevran's 'jealousy dialogue' precisely because he wasn't particularly jealous, just... wanting the Warden's exclusivity.

Also, depends on what it would take to cause the jealousy.  Jealousy means there's a lack of trust.  Someone who trusts their partner implicitly isn't going to be particularly jealous over a bit of flirting, for example - they'll know their partner isn't going to do more than that, that it's just harmless and fun.  Jealousy after the partner has actually broken that trust and slept with someone else (we're assuming non-poly relationship here, of course) is far more understandable - but still not something I'd want to see turn violent.  Caveman antics aren't my thing.   I'd rather things get talked out.

[SgtElias]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Do you like it if the LI is jealous? I love it when the LI become jealous if you're too close to another person. It makes them more real. A little bit of jealousy sounds that they care. In DA2, they barely even notice if you have slept with someone else. 

Yes, I do. I was rather disappointed in Mass Effect 3 that Kaidan wasn't more annoyed at my FemShep for leaving him for Garrus, but Tali and (Ashley? don't remember) have catty dialogue with each other. I think a little bit of jealous dialogue is really cute.

That said, I agree with Harle Cerulean; once jealousy goes too far, especially to the point of physical violence, it ceases to be cute and funny and becomes (to me, anyway) infuriating. Especially considering that my PC (well, my canon ones, anyway) don't mess about after they've chosen their love interest.

Kind of a fine line to walk, so I can see why developers might decide it isn't worth the trouble.

Modifié par SgtElias, 21 février 2013 - 05:57 .

[CuriousArtemis]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Do you like it if the LI is jealous? I love it when the LI become jealous if you're too close to another person. It makes them more real. A little bit of jealousy sounds that they care. In DA2, they barely even notice if you have slept with someone else. 

It's cute! I like when Fenris gets annoyed at Zevran or Tallis. I don't consider those canon playthroughs though since my Hawke is utterly loyal to Fenris. My Xander Hawke was a superficial flirt and flirted with anything that moved, though, and I found Anders' reactions pretty cute lol

Recently I had a character sleep with Isabela before Anders, and I think Anders asked if it were serious between Hawke and Isabela, and Hawke just said no, you're the one (or something) and that was that. I liked that. 

Anders confronts Hawke at some point, too, about dating Fenris, and I like that, too, because he still carries a torch for Hawke, and that felt very real (in a sad, pitiful kind of way). I did NOT like the options Hawke had to respond to Anders' nastiness. But that's okay. 95% of the time I love the interaction between characters.

[HighMoon]

If Cassandra is a companion in DA3 (high chance) then she will already have the female royal ground covered.

Modifié par Golden-Rose, 22 février 2013 - 04:53 .

[HighMoon]

SgtElias wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

To get us back on track, if there SHOULD be a royal LI for us to woo, would you romance him, encourage him to do the "wrong" thing by his family, and forgo marriage and the heir, all for the love of your PC?

I suppose it would depend; I didn't feel (as) guilty putting Anora on the throne because she really wanted to be there, Alistair really didn't, and he was already in a relationship with my PC. That ended up being a very good thing, as I hadn't read any spoilers and didn't know that he'd break up with my mage otherwise!

It's kinda hard for me to say; the "royal" character isn't usually someone I'm interested in romancing. But! As I said. Would depend on the circumstances.

And some people have mentioned that it'd be cool to romance (or seduce, anyway) Empress Celene.

I could get behind that.

Agreed. I want to seduce the empress. Wonder if she is bi? 

[CraftyApe]

I'm all for it. With this caveat: It would be refreshing to see portrayals of gays as diverse as straights, indistinguishable except by the gender they're intimate with. This has become common in the portrayal of lesbians, it's time to challenge the notion of effeminacy as native to gays.

[karushna5]

I don't find Fenris the least bit effeminate, quite the opposite, he is a two handed warrior, and while Zevran was a bit of a stereotype, he was not effeminate in my opinion. Only one I can think of really is Wade which was a little bit of a reversed trope with being a blacksmith, and perhaps Anders in some ways

[ReallyRue]

karushna5 wrote...

I don't find Fenris the least bit effeminate, quite the opposite, he is a two handed warrior, and while Zevran was a bit of a stereotype, he was not effeminate in my opinion. Only one I can think of really is Wade which was a little bit of a reversed trope with being a blacksmith, and perhaps Anders in some ways

I think Fenris, Zev and Anders were all subversions of the stereotype in some ways, but not others. Both Fenris and Zevran look dainty and pretty, for instance. And Zevran is rather flamboyant and vain. Anders is the sensitive, emotional type. For that reason, Alistair would also have fit the stereotype somewhat if he had been a gay/bi option. Tbh, I think it's hard to avoid it completely without trying too hard to avoid it completely.

However, if a Varric, Sten, Loghain or Nathaniel type been a gay/bi LI, I think the main stereotypes would have been avoided completely. Worth noting though that they weren't LIs for women either, so the fact that Bioware touches on the stereotypes with their s/s male LIs seems coincidence.

Modifié par ReallyRue, 22 février 2013 - 09:42 .