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[Red by Full Metal Jacket]

tiktac wrote...

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...
We have no idea if this is true in DA:I.

Considering this game has no body sliders, it's more than likely.  All games since the original Mass Effect have (with the exception of a few characters like James Vega) have used the same body model, what makes you think they will change anything now?

a completely different and way more complex engine i would imagine

really the reason i don't see them doing a whole lot in the way of body sliders is because itd make the game harder to animate. remember that gif of varric motorboating lady hawke? 

Exactly.  It would be too hard to animate several different body types.  Why would they spend so much time trying to get every single armor fitted on a bunch of different body types without clipping?  Design-wise, tehy have no reason to use more than one body type for human males.

[ElitePinecone]

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...
We have no idea if this is true in DA:I.

Considering this game has no body sliders, it's more than likely.  All games since the original Mass Effect have (with the exception of a few characters like James Vega) have used the same body model, what makes you think they will change anything now?

The absence of body sliders has *nothing* to do with the presence of custom character models for NPCs.

Body sliders for the player character are tricky, because there's issues with clipping in cutscenes.

But that doesn't matter for NPCs, especially companions, because if they have a unique model shape then it's going to be consistent for every scene that they're in.

Until we hear either way, it's entirely possible that companions will have unique models. I'd even suggest it's more likely, given how detailed they're trying to make the faces and armour. 

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

I can't imagine that the Grey Warden and Cole will have the same character model.

[Hazegurl]

dragondreamer wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

I agree, I still liked Zev's romance and he turned out be very emotional and seemed to have fallen for the warden but having him flirt with women while in the romance sort of became a reminder that females were what he truly wanted.  It reminds me of those yaoi stories where the guys would claim how straight they are before hopping into bed with another guy. Those stories kind of irk me.  But I can also see how one can roleplay it as Zev truly falling their their male PC, a la the posted trope above

Except Zevran never claims to be straight, he's bi.  He has a flirty personality, and someone with a female Warden would have similar issues wondering if he really wants those other women.  And I think that's understandable, but I don't feel like there's any indication that he's any less faithful or in love with a male Warden.

I understand that Zev does not claim to be straight, the problem, imo, is that he prefers women and was forced into liking men.

[werewoof]

Hazegurl wrote...

dragondreamer wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

I agree, I still liked Zev's romance and he turned out be very emotional and seemed to have fallen for the warden but having him flirt with women while in the romance sort of became a reminder that females were what he truly wanted.  It reminds me of those yaoi stories where the guys would claim how straight they are before hopping into bed with another guy. Those stories kind of irk me.  But I can also see how one can roleplay it as Zev truly falling their their male PC, a la the posted trope above

Except Zevran never claims to be straight, he's bi.  He has a flirty personality, and someone with a female Warden would have similar issues wondering if he really wants those other women.  And I think that's understandable, but I don't feel like there's any indication that he's any less faithful or in love with a male Warden.

I understand that Zev does not claim to be straight, the problem, imo, is that he prefers women and was forced into liking men.

i think bioware really just sort of messed up that line because from what i gather he meant that his upbringing was just why he was so open about it, but it came off like he was saying "my childhood forced me to be into men" or whatever? 

[lxwkl31]

Ok, I'm going to show some inconsistency now. Now that I think about Zev's romance I can get passed the "prefer women" line because he comes to truly care about the warden and its obvious. The line was just a speed bump.

As far as body hair, I just expected it on the Grey Warden, it seems an obvious conclusion to make. I wouldn't mind it either way as long as no one looks like Bigfoot or something crazy, which I don't expect they would.

[Kallimachus]

About body sliders, I'm not very knowledgeable in that regard, but games like Skyrim, Saints Row IV, and the Sims all have some sort of body sliders, and all have outfits that fit all body types (the character creation system in SRIV is gorgeous). why then would it be impossible for DAI?

[Plaintiff]

tiktac wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

dragondreamer wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

I agree, I still liked Zev's romance and he turned out be very emotional and seemed to have fallen for the warden but having him flirt with women while in the romance sort of became a reminder that females were what he truly wanted.  It reminds me of those yaoi stories where the guys would claim how straight they are before hopping into bed with another guy. Those stories kind of irk me.  But I can also see how one can roleplay it as Zev truly falling their their male PC, a la the posted trope above

Except Zevran never claims to be straight, he's bi.  He has a flirty personality, and someone with a female Warden would have similar issues wondering if he really wants those other women.  And I think that's understandable, but I don't feel like there's any indication that he's any less faithful or in love with a male Warden.

I understand that Zev does not claim to be straight, the problem, imo, is that he prefers women and was forced into liking men.

i think bioware really just sort of messed up that line because from what i gather he meant that his upbringing was just why he was so open about it, but it came off like he was saying "my childhood forced me to be into men" or whatever?

Zevran was not forced to be bisexual, no, but his backstory very much implies, if not outright states, that bisexuality is a consequence of his traumatic childhood, which is bad.

Frankly, the fact that Zevran's sexuality needed any justification at all is problematic in and of itself. The notion that a character would need any 'reason', good or bad, to be anything other than completely straight is quite offensive.

Zevran's sexuality doesn't need to 'make sense' any more than a real person's does.

[werewoof]

Plaintiff wrote...

tiktac wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

dragondreamer wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

I agree, I still liked Zev's romance and he turned out be very emotional and seemed to have fallen for the warden but having him flirt with women while in the romance sort of became a reminder that females were what he truly wanted.  It reminds me of those yaoi stories where the guys would claim how straight they are before hopping into bed with another guy. Those stories kind of irk me.  But I can also see how one can roleplay it as Zev truly falling their their male PC, a la the posted trope above

Except Zevran never claims to be straight, he's bi.  He has a flirty personality, and someone with a female Warden would have similar issues wondering if he really wants those other women.  And I think that's understandable, but I don't feel like there's any indication that he's any less faithful or in love with a male Warden.

I understand that Zev does not claim to be straight, the problem, imo, is that he prefers women and was forced into liking men.

i think bioware really just sort of messed up that line because from what i gather he meant that his upbringing was just why he was so open about it, but it came off like he was saying "my childhood forced me to be into men" or whatever?

Zevran was not forced to be bisexual, no, but his backstory very much implies, if not outright states, that bisexuality is a consequence of his traumatic childhood, which is bad.

Frankly, the fact that Zevran's sexuality needed any justification at all is problematic in and of itself. The notion that a character would need any 'reason', good or bad, to be anything other than completely straight is quite offensive.

Zevran's sexuality doesn't need to 'make sense' any more than a real person's does.

yeahhh the fact that they felt the need to include a bit to 'explain' his sexuality doesnt really sit well with me. i don't think it's really meant to imply that but bioware should have been a lot more careful with how that line came off and its implications, or better yet, just not had that bit at all. i'm hoping inquisition will stop trying to explain characters' sexualities.

Modifié par tiktac, 15 septembre 2013 - 06:39 .

[dragondreamer]

Plaintiff wrote...

Frankly, the fact that Zevran's sexuality needed any justification at all is problematic in and of itself. The notion that a character would need any 'reason', good or bad, to be anything other than completely straight is quite offensive.

Zevran's sexuality doesn't need to 'make sense' any more than a real person's does.

This part, I very much agree with.  It's also one of the reasons I hate the whole "it needs to be part of their personality" arguments.  But bisexuals having preferences doesn't mean they are incapable of loving both genders equally. The idea that a bisexual is secretly just a straight or gay person waiting for the right opportunity to betray their partner really irks me.  Something I felt was done right with Zevran was subverting the stereotype that bisexuals are incapable of faithfulness and monogamy, even though the DA2 bugs were unfortunate.

[daveliam]

I hope none of my earlier posts gave off the impression that I didn't like the Zev romance because he was bisexual.  That's not the case at all.  I just wish that the only male LI didn't express a preference for females.  I understand that Zev, as a character, prefers females and that doesn't necessarily weaken the relationship with the male Warden.  It's just a preference of mine that in a game with only 1 m/m LI, he not prefer females to the point where he reminds you of it numerous times by flirting with women in front of you.  

I really hope that I wasn't coming across as having any dislike towards bisexual male LI's in general.  In fact, Anders reads to me as bisexual since he clearly expresses interests in females in DA: A and in male Hawke in DA 2.  I liked his romance much better than the one with Zev because it felt to me that he was only interested in Hawke during the romance, which is something I would prefer.

[Incantrix]

daveliam wrote...

I hope none of my earlier posts gave off the impression that I didn't like the Zev romance because he was bisexual.  That's not the case at all.  I just wish that the only male LI didn't express a preference for females.  I understand that Zev, as a character, prefers females and that doesn't necessarily weaken the relationship with the male Warden.  It's just a preference of mine that in a game with only 1 m/m LI, he not prefer females to the point where he reminds you of it numerous times by flirting with women in front of you.  

I really hope that I wasn't coming across as having any dislike towards bisexual male LI's in general.  In fact, Anders reads to me as bisexual since he clearly expresses interests in females in DA: A and in male Hawke in DA 2.  I liked his romance much better than the one with Zev because it felt to me that he was only interested in Hawke during the romance, which is something I would prefer.

That's what I liked so much about Anders. He may be bisexual, but when he was with your Hawke, he only had eyes for you!  He trusted only you!

Unlike Zevran. Where, I would have been a pretty jealous warden. (Luckily for me, my first Amel was a chick who was with Ali) 

[werewoof]

daveliam wrote...

I hope none of my earlier posts gave off the impression that I didn't like the Zev romance because he was bisexual.  That's not the case at all.  I just wish that the only male LI didn't express a preference for females.  I understand that Zev, as a character, prefers females and that doesn't necessarily weaken the relationship with the male Warden.  It's just a preference of mine that in a game with only 1 m/m LI, he not prefer females to the point where he reminds you of it numerous times by flirting with women in front of you.  

I really hope that I wasn't coming across as having any dislike towards bisexual male LI's in general.  In fact, Anders reads to me as bisexual since he clearly expresses interests in females in DA: A and in male Hawke in DA 2.  I liked his romance much better than the one with Zev because it felt to me that he was only interested in Hawke during the romance, which is something I would prefer.

personal preference i suppose. i'm not exactly a monogamous person so zev's interest in others never bugged me but to each their own. 

this is why i hope for more than one m/m li though, because if you dont like one for whatever reason, be it you arent attracted to them or you dont like their personality or whatever, theres still another one you can potentially like more. i love zevran to bits but i feel awful for anyone wanting a m/m romance who didn't like the "designated gay romance" thing. considering if alistair had been the m/m option instead i would probably not have enjoyed the game nearly as much  

i think they improved on their representation of queer characters in da2 but theres still that sort of vibe of needing to explain the characters' sexualities and i hope they drop that in inquistion. like if the inquisitor can ask them if they've always been into dudes, the li can be like "yep pretty much" and thats it. itd be a refreshing change from the whole "i was raised whatever/i believe in love no matter the gender" for every character and just have it like, theyre into men and thats just it. or they're bi or pansexual or whatever. 

[Eveangaline]

So from the possible companions, it seems like our choices will be two of iron bull, varric, a bald elf man, and a gray warden.

[vertigomez]

Eveangaline wrote...

So from the possible companions, it seems like our choices will be two of iron bull, varric, a bald elf man, and a gray warden.

I want them all.

Big muscle-y qunari. Varric (I don't even need to elaborate; he's perfect). Potential badass Tevinter mage elf guy and an older man with experience (uh...fighting darkspawn, I mean ).

Sounds good to me!

[Hazegurl]

tiktac wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

dragondreamer wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

I agree, I still liked Zev's romance and he turned out be very emotional and seemed to have fallen for the warden but having him flirt with women while in the romance sort of became a reminder that females were what he truly wanted.  It reminds me of those yaoi stories where the guys would claim how straight they are before hopping into bed with another guy. Those stories kind of irk me.  But I can also see how one can roleplay it as Zev truly falling their their male PC, a la the posted trope above

Except Zevran never claims to be straight, he's bi.  He has a flirty personality, and someone with a female Warden would have similar issues wondering if he really wants those other women.  And I think that's understandable, but I don't feel like there's any indication that he's any less faithful or in love with a male Warden.

I understand that Zev does not claim to be straight, the problem, imo, is that he prefers women and was forced into liking men.

i think bioware really just sort of messed up that line because from what i gather he meant that his upbringing was just why he was so open about it, but it came off like he was saying "my childhood forced me to be into men" or whatever? 

Wait, wasn't he forced to have sex with men while joining the crows? I guess I need to replay the game to know for sure but that is what I was referring to when I say he was forced.

[Plaintiff]

Hazegurl wrote...

tiktac wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

dragondreamer wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

I agree, I still liked Zev's romance and he turned out be very emotional and seemed to have fallen for the warden but having him flirt with women while in the romance sort of became a reminder that females were what he truly wanted.  It reminds me of those yaoi stories where the guys would claim how straight they are before hopping into bed with another guy. Those stories kind of irk me.  But I can also see how one can roleplay it as Zev truly falling their their male PC, a la the posted trope above

Except Zevran never claims to be straight, he's bi.  He has a flirty personality, and someone with a female Warden would have similar issues wondering if he really wants those other women.  And I think that's understandable, but I don't feel like there's any indication that he's any less faithful or in love with a male Warden.

I understand that Zev does not claim to be straight, the problem, imo, is that he prefers women and was forced into liking men.

i think bioware really just sort of messed up that line because from what i gather he meant that his upbringing was just why he was so open about it, but it came off like he was saying "my childhood forced me to be into men" or whatever? 

Wait, wasn't he forced to have sex with men while joining the crows? I guess I need to replay the game to know for sure but that is what I was referring to when I say he was forced.

No, Zevran attributes his attitude towards sex to his being brought up in a brothel. He says the Crows 'encouraged' those proclivities because it made him more useful.

It's still problematic, but not as much.

[Eveangaline]

So of the very little we know about the possible companions so far, which one would you folks rather romance?

[Red by Full Metal Jacket]

Grey Warden dude. Can't stand Cullen and Varric and Iron Bull are probably off limits. Not really into elves as they end up being fangirl-bait.

Plaintiff wrote...

problematic,

Modifié par Red by Full Metal Jacket, 17 septembre 2013 - 01:12 .

[CuriousArtemis]

Eveangaline wrote...

So of the very little we know about the possible companions so far, which one would you folks rather romance?

Cullen > Cole > Grey Warden > Iron Bull > Chill Elf/Dorian > Varric ... honestly I would never romance Varric lol

[werewoof]

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

Grey Warden dude. Can't stand Cullen and Varric and Iron Bull are probably off limits. Not really into elves as they end up being fangirl-bait.

Plaintiff wrote...

problematic,

[sandalisthemaker]

Grey Warden guy.
That is all.

[Red by Full Metal Jacket]

tiktac wrote...

[lady_v23]

iron bull sounds interesting! I swear the replayability (is that the right word?) for this games just keeps going up!

[lxwkl31]

I would never romance Varric either. I just can't. He's my pal! I couldn't see a romance with Iron Bull period. He just doesn't look like the guy who would spare the time for such "trivialities" I'll always romance an elf, he just needs some more hair and then we'd be good to go . I was never really a fan of Cullen. He just seemed like another fanatic, even though he gained back some honor at the end of DA2. And I would romance Cole. He seemed to have changed dramatically at the end of Asunder. I can't wait to see if he's in the game and, if so, what's happened to him!