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[Mummy22kids]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

I guess it depends on how you want your romance to be. An imperfect romance such as Anders is not a bad romance. I guess it depends on how you want your romance to be. It would make good storytelling for variation in romance option, but drama without happy ending just wasn't my thing, I suppose. Anders and Hawke become fugitive, Jacob cheated, Thane died. All these romances have very gloom outcome, and on subsequent playthrough, I just feel discourage to romance them since I know that the PC and the LIs won't have a happy ending together. I care more about whether the romance would last rather than the progression of that romance.

Thane was just about my favorite romance because he was dying and you knew it when you met him.  I love a tragic romance.  I really hope we have a warden as an LI- one whose taint is fairly far along.  You fall in love only to have him leave you tearful and heartbroken to descend to the deep roads and sacrifice himself to the calling- and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

[Evil_Jashinist]

Tootles FTW wrote...

Evil_Jashinist wrote...

Well I HAVE read the book and still find Cole absolutely ADORABLE. But then again, I think dragons and hurlocks are cute too. And rage demons. They remind me of a turtle I had as a child. A very ANGRY turtle. XP

Honestly I don't care if Cole is a love intrest or even a companion, (though I would DEFINETLY not disapprove!) the only thing that matters is that I do at some point get to HUG THE LIFE out of the poor thing! T-T He moves my inner mother hen.

That's MY problem when we're discussing him in the context of love interests, ha.  It 's too 'To Catch A Predator'. 
However, his revelation at the end of Asunder has the ptoential to lead him to very interesting places and I'm excited to interact with him, LI or not. 

Cullen, of course, is a big draw, and my first playthrough will be as a mage (and I like the mage/templar duality)...but something says he won't be my main choice. 

Inquisitor: He's technically legal; what do I care! Mwouahahaha!

Ahem. I see your point about that, and I agree. He does seem to have a very childlike mentality, it's part of what makes him so huggable in fact. If he doesn't show up as a companion I hope we at least get to see him so we'll find out what happened to the poor spirit boy.

Personally I'm very neutral torwards Cullen. Oo He probably won't be my first choice if he is indeed an LI. His personality just seems so... water-like to me. It has no solid form. Oe I can't really grasp him as a character. If anything, I'm kind of hoping for that magister the unofficial survey mentioned... 

[Nashimura]

I would like to see them go back to having two straight romances and two bi romances. I know people think this is restricting it for our gay/bi members, but as a straight male i have played both Origins romancing Zevran as a man and DA2 romancing Anders as a male and isabela as a female.

I don't get why you have to be into the person or gender to role play a character who is - its not like you are playing your self or getting a explicit sex scene at the end.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Nashimura wrote...

I would like to see them go back to having two straight romances and two bi romances. I know people think this is restricting it for our gay/bi members, but as a straight male i have played both Origins romancing Zevran as a man and DA2 romancing Anders as a male and isabela as a female.

I don't get why you have to be into the person or gender to role play a character who is - its not like you are playing your self or getting a explicit sex scene at the end.

Some people prefer playing men.  Some people prefer playing women.  Some play both.   But it's not up for any of us to judge why.   Better to encourage inclusivity with all bisexual romances rather than being exclusive, isn't it?  It's not exactly ideal when it comes to representation, but it's certainly a step in the right direction. 

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 12 février 2013 - 10:34 .

[SgtElias]

Evil_Jashinist wrote...

Personally I'm very neutral torwards Cullen. Oo He probably won't be my first choice if he is indeed an LI. His personality just seems so... water-like to me. It has no solid form. Oe I can't really grasp him as a character. If anything, I'm kind of hoping for that magister the unofficial survey mentioned... 

I'm sort of hoping for the magister, too. Even though he may not exist, or be a serious bastard, or any one of a number of things I can in no way predict, I tend to like mages, and I think a magister sounds fascinating.

As to Cullen, I was really very lukewarm about the idea of him being romancable, except for a male protagonist. For some reason, I think it'd be kinda cool to romance him with another male, but I have no interest in completing the romance (at this point, anyway) with a female character.

[Battlebloodmage]

Nashimura wrote...

I would like to see them go back to having two straight romances and two bi romances. I know people think this is restricting it for our gay/bi members, but as a straight male i have played both Origins romancing Zevran as a man and DA2 romancing Anders as a male and isabela as a female.

I don't get why you have to be into the person or gender to role play a character who is - its not like you are playing your self or getting a explicit sex scene at the end.

As a straight male, even if you have no romance option, there are tons of other games with straight romance out there, even without full-blown romance, like Harvest Moon, Witcher, Final Fantasy, Star Wars: The Old Republic just to name a few. Most RPG games out there feature straight romance. You don't feel leftout even if you don't get included in just one game. For other people, they don't have that kind of treatment, there are barely any game that feature gay characters left alone gay romance. 

[Evil_Jashinist]

Nashimura wrote...

I would like to see them go back to having two straight romances and two bi romances. I know people think this is restricting it for our gay/bi members, but as a straight male i have played both Origins romancing Zevran as a man and DA2 romancing Anders as a male and isabela as a female.

I don't get why you have to be into the person or gender to role play a character who is - its not like you are playing your self or getting a explicit sex scene at the end.

And I don't get why it's such a big deal to have all LIs bi. I can go either way myself, but why restrict the player? Oo Some people want certain kinds of romances, and I'm not sure the fact that you have done S/S romances yourself really strengthens your argument. All power to you for doing it though, so many of my guy friends get all squeamish about it. >>

Some people say it's not realistic and I can see their point... even though in my closest circle of friends of eight people, only two of them are straight. The others are all bi. But I also know it's not common. But it's a game. And it's not like it hurts anyone that all characters can be romanced by both genders, does it? 

[jackattack1374]

Evil_Jashinist wrote...

Nashimura wrote...

I would like to see them go back to having two straight romances and two bi romances. I know people think this is restricting it for our gay/bi members, but as a straight male i have played both Origins romancing Zevran as a man and DA2 romancing Anders as a male and isabela as a female.

I don't get why you have to be into the person or gender to role play a character who is - its not like you are playing your self or getting a explicit sex scene at the end.

And I don't get why it's such a big deal to have all LIs bi. I can go either way myself, but why restrict the player? Oo Some people want certain kinds of romances, and I'm not sure the fact that you have done S/S romances yourself really strengthens your argument. All power to you for doing it though, so many of my guy friends get all squeamish about it. >>

Some people say it's not realistic and I can see their point... even though in my closest circle of friends of eight people, only two of them are straight. The others are all bi. But I also know it's not common. But it's a game. And it's not like it hurts anyone that all characters can be romanced by both genders, does it? 

I don't mind if all companions are bi, i just would like it handeled correctly. isabella and anders were really well done:
Anders is either completely gay or completely straight depending on which gender you choose, and isabella is open about her bisexuality regardless. Fenris and merril were cute romances, but i feel like they where genderless, fenris only slightly acknowledged the fact that we were both men...

[upsettingshorts]

jackattack1374 wrote...

Anders is either completely gay or completely straight depending on which gender you choose

Yeah Anders told his mom Karl was just a friend, too.

[Mentxi]

I'm happy with two straight, two bi and two ****** options, seems perfect for me. Also, I don't mind having all bi characters, realism? BS, it's a fantasy game, if we talk about realism tell me how my ugly hawke gets all the boys and girls. I just want the romances to be different, challenging (not just a few clicks here and there) and exciting. That's all I ask.

And Varric...

[Dhiro]

I don't think anyone has the right to decide what is the ~correct~ way to handle a romance outside their purely personal opinions.

[Rinji the Bearded]

jackattack1374 wrote...

I don't mind if all companions are bi, i just would like it handeled correctly. isabella and anders were really well done:
Anders is either completely gay or completely straight depending on which gender you choose, and isabella is open about her bisexuality regardless. Fenris and merril were cute romances, but i feel like they where genderless, fenris only slightly acknowledged the fact that we were both men...

Just because Anders didn't mention Karl or relationships with men with Female Hawke wouldn't erase his bisexuality.  It would not be relevant information to her.   With Fenris and Merrill, I'm not sure what either of them could have said to somehow differentiate the two romances besides blatantly stating over and over that they are of same gender in the s/s romance, which would been not natural at all.

[Nashimura]

For anyone saying "It does not hurt anyone to have characters romanced by both" I get that, its not a huge issue for me but in origins i felt it was used in the character's personality - Zevran's especially. Like jackattack said, in DA2 bar Isabela the romances felt genderless.

Is having restrictions really a bad thing? They are everywhere else in the game, you can't throw a fireball as a rouge (Or dwarf in DA:O) you can't use a two handed weapon as a mage - its done to differentiate the races and classes. Why not have something that makes the choice of gender different?

[jackattack1374]

Jumbocactus wrote...

I'm happy with two straight, two bi and two ****** options, seems perfect for me. Also, I don't mind having all bi characters, realism? BS, it's a fantasy game, if we talk about realism tell me how my ugly hawke gets all the boys and girls. I just want the romances to be different, challenging (not just a few clicks here and there) and exciting. That's all I ask.

And Varric...

I was so distraught when I realized that you coudn't romance varric
your set up would be ideal, that way the PC of an sexual orientation could have two options (As opposed to DA:O where we only had one, and DA2 which, in my playthrough at least, was a ongoing gay pride float), it would be a happy medium. I think i read somewhere that the devs think so too, but doing so is more expensive or something like that....
i really liked how cortez was a gay only romance option in ME3

[Dhiro]

Nashimura wrote...

For anyone saying "It does not hurt anyone to have characters romanced by both" I get that, its not a huge issue for me but in origins i felt it was used in the character's personality - Zevran's especially. Like jackattack said, in DA2 bar Isabela the romances felt genderless.

Is having restrictions really a bad thing? They are everywhere else in the game, you can't throw a fireball as a rouge (Or dwarf in DA:O) you can't use a two handed weapon as a mage - its done to differentiate the races and classes. Why not have something that makes the choice of gender different?

Because no one really is an elf and no one here can throw a fireball, but there are people here who don't identify as heterosexual and constantly fight an uphill battle not to be constantly ignored and excluded. Same sex content isn't a fantasy trope that only happens in video-games, it's something that also affect our world and the players on a personal level.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Nashimura wrote...

For anyone saying "It does not hurt anyone to have characters romanced by both" I get that, its not a huge issue for me but in origins i felt it was used in the character's personality - Zevran's especially. Like jackattack said, in DA2 bar Isabela the romances felt genderless.

Is having restrictions really a bad thing? They are everywhere else in the game, you can't throw a fireball as a rouge (Or dwarf in DA:O) you can't use a two handed weapon as a mage - its done to differentiate the races and classes. Why not have something that makes the choice of gender different?

For people who are not straight, restrictions are a bad thing.   How many years have interactive media like video games been around?  How many non-straight characters can you think of?  How many of those non-straight characters are lead protagonists?  It's easy for a straight man to say "well I think restrictions are okay and are more realistic" when those restrictions have never existed for him.  He's had most of the representation, so he sees no problem.  Also, equating gender/sexuality with things such as physical ability or limitation is a false equivalency. 

This extends to racial options as well, but since this is a discussion pertaining to gender and sexuality, I will not stray on that particular topic.  

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 12 février 2013 - 11:04 .

[LPPrince]

I'm all for M/M, F/F, and M/F romances, but I'd like the options available to not all be available to me.

More like DAO, having some options available and some not so, instead of DA2 where it felt really odd that everyone was "playersexual" in a way.

So yeah, bring on the M/M romances. Dunno if I'd play them out, but for those who will, s'all good.

[jackattack1374]

Dhiro wrote...

Nashimura wrote...

For anyone saying "It does not hurt anyone to have characters romanced by both" I get that, its not a huge issue for me but in origins i felt it was used in the character's personality - Zevran's especially. Like jackattack said, in DA2 bar Isabela the romances felt genderless.

Is having restrictions really a bad thing? They are everywhere else in the game, you can't throw a fireball as a rouge (Or dwarf in DA:O) you can't use a two handed weapon as a mage - its done to differentiate the races and classes. Why not have something that makes the choice of gender different?

Because no one really is an elf and no one here can throw a fireball, but there are people here who don't identify as heterosexual and constantly fight an uphill battle not to be constantly ignored and excluded. Same sex content isn't a fantasy trope that only happens in video-games, it's something that also affect our world and the players on a personal level.

Dude, I'm a gay male gamer as well, i get that you want our romances to be taken as seriously as the straight ones and not used as meat to appease fangirls, all shes trying to say is like it or not, sexual orientation is a pretty significant character trait, it doesn't define who you are as a person, but its an integral part. ignoring this in favor of making sure everyone can romance whomever they want is unrealistic. 

[Rinji the Bearded]

jackattack1374 wrote...
Dude, I'm a gay male gamer as well, i get that you want our romances to be taken as seriously as the straight ones and not used as meat to appease fangirls, all shes trying to say is like it or not, sexual orientation is a pretty significant character trait, it doesn't define who you are as a person, but its an integral part. ignoring this in favor of making sure everyone can romance whomever they want is unrealistic. 

Unrealistic in a world where dragons and magic exist?  Those things are okay, but when it comes to four more or less bisexual people existing in the same group, it's just beyond all comprehension?

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 12 février 2013 - 11:07 .

[Dhiro]

LPPrince wrote...

I'm all for M/M, F/F, and M/F romances, but I'd like the options available to not all be available to me.

More like DAO, having some options available and some not so, instead of DA2 where it felt really odd that everyone was "playersexual" in a way.

So yeah, bring on the M/M romances. Dunno if I'd play them out, but for those who will, s'all good.

If you don't want to experience a romance with a certain character of a certain gender, don't romance that character or that gender.

[Dhiro]

jackattack1374 wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

Nashimura wrote...

For anyone saying "It does not hurt anyone to have characters romanced by both" I get that, its not a huge issue for me but in origins i felt it was used in the character's personality - Zevran's especially. Like jackattack said, in DA2 bar Isabela the romances felt genderless.

Is having restrictions really a bad thing? They are everywhere else in the game, you can't throw a fireball as a rouge (Or dwarf in DA:O) you can't use a two handed weapon as a mage - its done to differentiate the races and classes. Why not have something that makes the choice of gender different?

Because no one really is an elf and no one here can throw a fireball, but there are people here who don't identify as heterosexual and constantly fight an uphill battle not to be constantly ignored and excluded. Same sex content isn't a fantasy trope that only happens in video-games, it's something that also affect our world and the players on a personal level.

Dude, I'm a gay male gamer as well, i get that you want our romances to be taken as seriously as the straight ones and not used as meat to appease fangirls, all shes trying to say is like it or not, sexual orientation is a pretty significant character trait, it doesn't define who you are as a person, but its an integral part. ignoring this in favor of making sure everyone can romance whomever they want is unrealistic. 

I know perfectly well what Nashimura is trying to say. I don't care about your nebulous concept of realism. I'd take inclusion over it any time.

[kalasaurus]

Evil_Jashinist wrote...

And I don't get why it's such a big deal to have all LIs bi.

I didn't mind all the LI's being bi, either.  They're whatever orientation your Hawke picks.  It made sense for all of them IMO anyway, however you play their relationships.

The only thing I didn't like about Anders was the unavoidable rivalry for turning down his flirting.  If there just were a nice "Sorry I'm not interested" instead of an angry "I don't want you thinking about me in that way" (with an angry face), for example, I doubt as many would have a problem.

[Nashimura]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Nashimura wrote...

For anyone saying "It does not hurt anyone to have characters romanced by both" I get that, its not a huge issue for me but in origins i felt it was used in the character's personality - Zevran's especially. Like jackattack said, in DA2 bar Isabela the romances felt genderless.

Is having restrictions really a bad thing? They are everywhere else in the game, you can't throw a fireball as a rouge (Or dwarf in DA:O) you can't use a two handed weapon as a mage - its done to differentiate the races and classes. Why not have something that makes the choice of gender different?

For people who are not straight, restrictions are a bad thing. How many years have interactive media like video games been around? How many non-straight characters can you think of? How many of those non-straight characters are lead protagonists? It's easy for a straight man to say "well I think restrictions are okay and are more realistic" when those restrictions have never existed for him. He's had most of the representation, so he sees no problem. Also, equating gender/sexuality with things such as physical ability or limitation is a false equivalency.

This extends to racial options as well, but since this is a discussion pertaining to gender and sexuality, I will not stray on that particular topic.

I never said i wanted it realistic, more that they can add to the character and making picking gender have more of an effect.

Honestly i would not even mind if instead of any straight option you have 1 gay and 1 bi for each gender, taking out straight options would not bother me (nor would having them all straight) because the only pay off for the romances is in narrative, going through the romance and the story it creates for your character.

Modifié par Nashimura, 12 février 2013 - 11:15 .

[jackattack1374]

RinjiRenee wrote...

jackattack1374 wrote...
Dude, I'm a gay male gamer as well, i get that you want our romances to be taken as seriously as the straight ones and not used as meat to appease fangirls, all shes trying to say is like it or not, sexual orientation is a pretty significant character trait, it doesn't define who you are as a person, but its an integral part. ignoring this in favor of making sure everyone can romance whomever they want is unrealistic. 

Unrealistic in a world where dragons and magic exist?  Those things are okay, but when it comes to four more or less bisexual people existing in the same group, it's just beyond all comprehension?

Yes, unrealistic in a world where dragons and magic exists 
its all about believability, if the games didnt have some degree of real-ness, there wouldn't be any attraction to them. Dragon Age's whole pull is that it is a dark, gritty, albeit fantastical world. gays have never existed extensively in the fantasy world at all before this, the fact that we as a community are included at all is a testament to the realism here. no ones saying all romance options are going to be bi, in fact its probally whats going to happen. I just think that charcaters should at least acknowledge the fact that they have sexual identity, and are not just "playersexual", male romance options should acknowledge the fact that the romance is a gay one, it shouldn't be a novelty, but like it or not, gay relationships have a unique se of problems and intricacies seperate from straight ones, it makes the romance more connect-able 

[LPPrince]

Dhiro wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

I'm all for M/M, F/F, and M/F romances, but I'd like the options available to not all be available to me.

More like DAO, having some options available and some not so, instead of DA2 where it felt really odd that everyone was "playersexual" in a way.

So yeah, bring on the M/M romances. Dunno if I'd play them out, but for those who will, s'all good.

If you don't want to experience a romance with a certain character of a certain gender, don't romance that character or that gender.

Of course, thats how I do it. In DAO I romanced everyone. Morrigan, Leliana, Alistair, and Zevran. DA2 I romanced Isabella only, so its pretty random if I go for a lot of options or just uno.

My point was simply that it feels weird to not have someone say "no" because of their orientation.

Suspension of disbelief varies for everybody. In my case, I don't even think about dragons, magic, other fantasy stuff, but when everyone around me is open to romancing everyone else and its not stated somewhere that this is a thing that every single person is like, I head tilt.

Basically-

If the game confirmed that every single person or nigh everyone was bisexual, I wouldn't even think about options being available for everyone. But if there's nothing saying that's the case, I naturally associate it to what I realize the real world is like, where some are open to some things, some are open to more things, some are open to ALL things.

Hence the head tilting. But gah, I feel like I'm veering from the subject and I don't want to do that.

Lemme leave and let y'all continue and stuff.