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Yes, unrealistic in a world where dragons and magic exists ^_^
its all about believability, if the games didnt have some degree of real-ness, there wouldn't be any attraction to them. Dragon Age's whole pull is that it is a dark, gritty, albeit fantastical world. gays have never existed extensively in the fantasy world at all before this, the fact that we as a community are included at all is a testament to the realism here. no ones saying all romance options are going to be bi, in fact its probally whats going to happen. I just think that charcaters should at least acknowledge the fact that they have sexual identity, and are not just "playersexual", male romance options should acknowledge the fact that the romance is a gay one, it shouldn't be a novelty, but like it or not, gay relationships have a unique se of problems and intricacies seperate from straight ones, it makes the romance more connect-able :pinched:


What does dark and gritty mean, anyway?   A world where different sexualities beyond hetero exist?

Back on topic, I can understand what you're saying.  However, I would prefer the romances remain as they are (or as they were in DA2).  Yes, there could be differentiation, depending on what gender the main character is.   But returning to a previous selection where options were stacked for one sexuality more than the other (for example, DA:O where straight Wardens had 2 options each per gender, and gay Wardens only have 1 option per gender) would be a real let down.

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Suspension of disbelief varies for everybody. In my case, I don't even think about dragons, magic, other fantasy stuff, but when everyone around me is open to romancing everyone else and its not stated somewhere that this is a thing that every single person is like, I head tilt.

Maybe I'm from a weird place, or have strange friends, but this seems completely normal to me. In a house with six adults (and this isn't including close friends that don't live with me), only one is straight. I had no problem whatsoever believing that my character, as well as four of their companions, would be sexually interested in both genders.

I should, however, preface that statement by admitting that I myself (and my husband) are bi, and so many of our friends are bisexual that sometimes I just think that everyone is, even though that's BS and I know it.

Anyway, I'm not trying to say that it's silly if that's where the realism broke down for you, just that it seemed so normal to me that I was completely taken aback when others reacted negatively. 

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I would like to see them go back to having two straight romances and two bi romances. I know people think this is restricting it for our gay/bi members, but as a straight male i have played both Origins romancing Zevran as a man and DA2 romancing Anders as a male and isabela as a female. 


Try to put yourself in the place of growing up a straight guy forced to play gay characters in every single RPG you ever play your whole life. Always looking at the girls in the game, always liking their friendship with your male character and thinking they'd make a great couple, and always wishing you could romance them with your char. But you can't, because you're only allowed to romance guys. This is how a large number of us grew up. The love stories we wanted to see were never there. They only existed in our headcanon, and only with big mental gymnastics to contradict the canon where the guy always got the girl/the girl always got the guy, despite that same-sex best friend over there who could've been the love of their lives, if only the game had allowed it. Then one day games start giving you the option to play the stories you've always wanted to play? You're going to take that choice like a blessing from the skies and never ever ever let it go. 

Maybe you don't feel it's a big deal to romance Zev as a male Warden (and that's great), but to some of us it is a huge deal that we can't romance Morrigan unless we settle for playing through yet another cookie-cutter straight romance, like we've had to all our lives.

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Is having restrictions really a bad thing?


Yes it is. Putting specifically LGBT players aside, because it doesn't affect just us, restricting romances is a cheap way to restrict gameplay itself. What, honestly speaking, is the point in barring Morrigan from being romanced by female Wardens, when we know she has a very open-minded view of the world and is fully in control of her sexuality? Or Sebastian by male Hawkes, when we know he was very open to all kinds of experiences and could just as well have had male lovers in his youth without any detriment to his discovery of faith later on in life, or his duty to family? What is gained, storytelling-wise, from that barrier? 

The LIs in these games are written to fulfill romance tropes, and not everyone gets ticked by the same trope. It's a simple matter of personal preference, and ideally, nobody should be restricted from experiencing the romances the way they feel right. I believe that the Zevran, Anders, Fenris, Leliana, Isabela and Merrill romances all work a thousand times better with same-sex partners. I'm sure there are thousands of fans out there who would vehemently disagree and think any of those romances work much better with opposite gender partners. So who's right? Should I restrict those fans from experiencing these romances the way they like it? Should they restrict me? And who gains anything from that? I don't benefit in the slighest from restricting the way people play their games, and they don't benefit from restricting the way I play mine.

The only way gender restrictions can be justified is through the old "realism" adage, which yeah, you may not like to admit to it, but in a world where dragons, griffons, wyverns, ogres, broodmothers, demons and magic exist, is really just a roundabout way of saying that you find it easier to deal with the existence of fictional monsters than with being in the company of people who may or not be gay or bisexual in someone else's game, and that's a slippery slope of an argument that no one wants to start down.

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SgtElias wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Suspension of disbelief varies for everybody. In my case, I don't even think about dragons, magic, other fantasy stuff, but when everyone around me is open to romancing everyone else and its not stated somewhere that this is a thing that every single person is like, I head tilt.

Maybe I'm from a weird place, or have strange friends, but this seems completely normal to me. In a house with six adults (and this isn't including close friends that don't live with me), only one is straight. I had no problem whatsoever believing that my character, as well as four of their companions, would be sexually interested in both genders.

I should, however, preface that statement by admitting that I myself (and my husband) are bi, and so many of our friends are bisexual that sometimes I just think that everyone is, even though that's BS and I know it.

Anyway, I'm not trying to say that it's silly if that's where the realism broke down for you, just that it seemed so normal to me that I was completely taken aback when others reacted negatively. 


Its okay. Different people have different experiences which gives them different ideas, different opinions, and different states of mind on subjects.

Beautiful world we live in. ^_^

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RinjiRenee wrote...

What does dark and gritty mean, anyway?


Oh my. Did someone call for something "dark, gritty and realistic"?

See exhibit A here:

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Please note that throughout a dark, gritty and realistic romantic encounter, it will be in first person view and while obnoxiously filthy sound effects are playing in the background, the FPS camera will be moving back and forth on this exact angle while dynamically rendered realtime shadows do the rest. This method helps further increase the depth of immersion.

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LPPrince wrote...

I'm all for M/M, F/F, and M/F romances, but I'd like the options available to not all be available to me.

More like DAO, having some options available and some not so, instead of DA2 where it felt really odd that everyone was "playersexual" in a way.

So yeah, bring on the M/M romances. Dunno if I'd play them out, but for those who will, s'all good.

Which option is not available to you in DAO? If you're a straight male, you can romance both females, if you're a straight female, you can romance both males. All I ask for are options, if I have just the same amount of male LI as the straight counterpart, bisexuality or not wouldn't bother me.

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I find it peculiar that you don't see the same constant bisexual arguments or negative response on F/F thread. I wonder why. ^_^

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One of the more complex gay romances has to be Hawke and Fenris on the Rival Path. My goodness, it was glorious to see Fenris wrestle with his feelings and finally come to terms with what he wants in the perfect culmination of the character that way.

I love Fenris to death, but I found the rivalmance too volatile, much more so than rivalmance Anders. I'll have to do it again. Perhaps a diplomatic Hawke will give me a different perspective than a smartass Hawke, which is what I used in that case.

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nightscrawl wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

One of the more complex gay romances has to be Hawke and Fenris on the Rival Path. My goodness, it was glorious to see Fenris wrestle with his feelings and finally come to terms with what he wants in the perfect culmination of the character that way.

I love Fenris to death, but I found the rivalmance too volatile, much more so than rivalmance Anders. I'll have to do it again. Perhaps a diplomatic Hawke will give me a different perspective than a smartass Hawke, which is what I used in that case.


I tend to do a mix of all three types of Hawke, depending on the situation. After a certain point even going diplomatic nets you rival points, so trying to comfort him and watching Fenris go off is somewhat disturbing, but I tend to see it as Hawke showing patience and waiting for him to sort things out in the end. 

Which it does if you go the full way with it. 

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I find it peculiar that you don't see the same constant bisexual arguments or negative response on F/F thread. I wonder why. ^_^


Hah, right.

So what else can we speculate about? Think we might get a male mage LI to play counterpart to Cullen's templar background? There's a mage in those infamous leaked concept arts that looks interesting, slightly... native american? inspired robes and all.

He's also a POC, which is something I really liked about DA2: for every white or white-passing LI, there was also a POC one. Good balance.

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LinksOcarina wrote...

Which it does if you go the full way with it. 

This is what I like about the Fenris romance in general. He sorts it all out himself, Hawke doesn't fix him or anything.

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riverbanks wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

I find it peculiar that you don't see the same constant bisexual arguments or negative response on F/F thread. I wonder why. ^_^


Hah, right.

So what else can we speculate about? Think we might get a male mage LI to play counterpart to Cullen's templar background? There's a mage in those infamous leaked concept arts that looks interesting, slightly... native american? inspired robes and all.

He's also a POC, which is something I really liked about DA2: for every white or white-passing LI, there was also a POC one. Good balance.

The robed character looks like the seeker. Hopefully if there is another mage LI, they don't bicker with each other constantly like Anders and Fenris. It's like babysiting each other. The only time they agree with each other is when they both attack poor Merrill.

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riverbanks wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

I find it peculiar that you don't see the same constant bisexual arguments or negative response on F/F thread. I wonder why. ^_^


Hah, right.

So what else can we speculate about? Think we might get a male mage LI to play counterpart to Cullen's templar background? There's a mage in those infamous leaked concept arts that looks interesting, slightly... native american? inspired robes and all.

He's also a POC, which is something I really liked about DA2: for every white or white-passing LI, there was also a POC one. Good balance.


There was a woman in the leaked survey using the same kind of clothes as the male mage, so the popular guess seems to be that they are the default main characters. Since both of them seem to be POC that makes me very happy.

They may just be part of the same organization though, so who knows? There is also the Grey Warden, but BioWare usually shies away from giving us older LIs (I'd put him in his early 40s).

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I'll second (or third) the notion that characters should have their own sexualities and aren't just bi as to allow everyone to jump in bed with them. If it fits the character then fine, but if it's clearly just pandering it needs to be fixed.

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Sopa de Gato wrote...

I'll second (or third) the notion that characters should have their own sexualities and aren't just bi as to allow everyone to jump in bed with them. If it fits the character then fine, but if it's clearly just pandering it needs to be fixed.


"Pandering" is better than the alternative, which is exclusion.

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Would anyone be interested in dwarves? I'm a bit shallow, so I doubt I would romance one since I don't find them very appealing. Many people love Varric though.

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I have a question, why do people think Cullen and Cassandra are likely candidates to be companions and love interests?

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Battlebloodmage wrote...

Hopefully if there is another mage LI, they don't bicker with each other constantly like Anders and Fenris. It's like babysiting each other. The only time they agree with each other is when they both attack poor Merrill.


I honestly love Anders and Fenris' bickering until the Dissent incident, I have so much fun with their mudslinging. This is typically around early Act 2 for me, when I'm romancing both of them until I make up my mind and bring them with me all the time, so they never ever ever stop bickering. And you know neither of them is wrong, but neither of them is right either, so when they start with the name-calling your Hawke just stands there going all, wow can we not??????

It's endearing. :P

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RinjiRenee wrote...

Sopa de Gato wrote...

I'll second (or third) the notion that characters should have their own sexualities and aren't just bi as to allow everyone to jump in bed with them. If it fits the character then fine, but if it's clearly just pandering it needs to be fixed.


"Pandering" is better than the alternative, which is exclusion.

Let's just ignore these bisexual comments. If people want to discuss bisexuality, let them make their own thread about bisexuality. M/M romance has nothing to do with bisexuality. The fact that bisexuality only exists mostly on M/M threads already proves that the problem isn't actually bisexuality. 

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riverbanks wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Hopefully if there is another mage LI, they don't bicker with each other constantly like Anders and Fenris. It's like babysiting each other. The only time they agree with each other is when they both attack poor Merrill.


I honestly love Anders and Fenris' bickering until the Dissent incident, I have so much fun with their mudslinging. This is typically around early Act 2 for me, when I'm romancing both of them until I make up my mind and bring them with me all the time, so they never ever ever stop bickering. And you know neither of them is wrong, but neither of them is right either, so when they start with the name-calling your Hawke just stands there going all, wow can we not??????

It's endearing. :P

I wish we had jealosy conversation. They were kind of in there, but a big confrontation would have been so much drama. Anders is so shameless when you romance Fenris. He advertises himself to Hawke, so it was pretty amusing. While I'm not a big fan of their bickering, some of the banters are pretty funny.:P

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SgtElias wrote...

Agreed. I sincerely hope that whoever did Riordan's voice returns, preferably to voice a companion.


Riordan is voiced by Stephane Comicard, who also did Stroud (the Grey Warden) in DA2.

The last time we saw him in the game, Stroud was headed to Orlais . :whistle:

He also popped up in DA3 concept art they were using to demonstrate armour customisation.

(That being said, even though it looks like he could be a companion, I kinda doubt he'd be an LI.)

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The last time we saw him in the game, Stroud was headed to Orlais . :whistle:

He also popped up in DA3 concept art they were using to demonstrate armour customisation.


And where does it say that he's Stroud? :whistle:

that'd be nice, though, because omgthatvoice

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ElitePinecone wrote...

SgtElias wrote...

Agreed. I sincerely hope that whoever did Riordan's voice returns, preferably to voice a companion.


Riordan is voiced by Stephane Comicard, who also did Stroud (the Grey Warden) in DA2.

The last time we saw him in the game, Stroud was headed to Orlais . :whistle:

He also popped up in DA3 concept art they were using to demonstrate armour customisation.

(That being said, even though it looks like he could be a companion, I kinda doubt he'd be an LI.)

Did they say that it's Stroud? He looks so different. :o

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Thetford wrote...

I have a question, why do people think Cullen and Cassandra are likely candidates to be companions and love interests?


They both popped up in a leaked marketing survey as what looked like companions, Cassandra has been used in DA3 concept art for months (including to demonstrate armour customisation), she was hinted to have a larger role in the third game even after DA2 launched, and Cullen's voice actor tweeted a picture of himself recording lines for Cullen when he probably wasn't supposed to - the tweet disappeared a short time later. 

The basis for LI speculation is a bit more shaky, but they aren't the sort of companions that necessarily could be ruled out entirely as love interests (like Wynne or Oghren, say).