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[Soundsystem]

PhantomGinger wrote...

Soundsystem wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

I'm curious as to why both royal options in DA series are straight. Alistair and Sebastian. I get that they need to have an heir, but are they themselves are totally straight? I'm hoping for future installment to have at least one gay royal LI. There could potentially be a storyline where he renounce his title and elope with you if he's being forced to choose between the throne and love.

I want this.

I want this so bad.

I didn't know I wanted this until this moment.

I'd have to wonder with Sebastian's role, he might return in DAI...and if he was to be a companion...

All those Highlander romance novels BOOM on the screen! 

God I hope it's not Sebastian. He's pretty but his personality is just not my cup of tea. Too preachy and religious for me. I had such high hopes when he first showed up in game. So attractive! That voice! So forceful! 

And.. given that I never side with Sebastian after Anders blows the Chantry, me thinks in my game he'll be far too focused on stabbing Anders in the face to romance. 

[KiwiQuiche]

Soundsystem wrote...

PhantomGinger wrote...

Soundsystem wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

I'm curious as to why both royal options in DA series are straight. Alistair and Sebastian. I get that they need to have an heir, but are they themselves are totally straight? I'm hoping for future installment to have at least one gay royal LI. There could potentially be a storyline where he renounce his title and elope with you if he's being forced to choose between the throne and love.

I want this.

I want this so bad.

I didn't know I wanted this until this moment.

I'd have to wonder with Sebastian's role, he might return in DAI...and if he was to be a companion...

All those Highlander romance novels BOOM on the screen! 

God I hope it's not Sebastian. He's pretty but his personality is just not my cup of tea. Too preachy and religious for me. I had such high hopes when he first showed up in game. So attractive! That voice! So forceful! 

And.. given that I never side with Sebastian after Anders blows the Chantry, me thinks in my game he'll be far too focused on stabbing Anders in the face to romance. 

I was moreso mad you couldn't stab Sebastian in the face for trying to threaten you into killing Anders. Ass.

[ElitePinecone]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

I'm curious as to why both royal options in DA series are straight. Alistair and Sebastian. I get that they need to have an heir, but are they themselves are totally straight? I'm hoping for future installment to have at least one gay royal LI. There could potentially be a storyline where he renounce his title and elope with you if he's being forced to choose between the throne and love.

The Kirkwall Viscount's son was heavily implied to be in a relationship with Ashaad - in fact, I'm pretty sure either David or Mike confirmed that at some point last year. He wasn't exactly royalty (and that storyline didn't end well), but it was interesting to see nonetheless.

Someone once wrote a really interesting retrospective of their time playing DAO with a male Warden romancing Alistair using gender-swapped lines, and encountering (or imagining?) exactly that conflict you mention between duty to Ferelden and love. Part of it was the author just extrapolating from gaps in the game's dialogue, but I think it'd be interesting storytelling ground to go into. 

I mean, given the writing team's penchant for completely ruining the happy-endings wishes of fans, an LI that got close but ultimately *rejected* a player because of their royalty duty sounds like... well, something they'd be pretty happy with, actually.

[Kidd]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

The hell? Now that is just stupid. I didn't see women feeling emasculated (or whatever the hell the female equal is) by Isabela's sexiness or Aveline's strength.

If that's how things end up, then that's how they end up. Either BioWare will have to accept having a companion that many straight men will feel threatened by and thereby dislike, or they'll simply not write such a companion. The situation sucks, I agree, but there's little we can do.

And yeah, Isabela and Aveline are amazing =) Not on topic here though, I suppose.

[nightscrawl]

@ElitePinecone, I don't really see how it's too different from the scenes with Alistair that we already have for a non-HN Warden. If you don't harden Alistair and also pick the correct lines after the Landsmeet he will break up with you and cite exactly those reasons. So that could certainly happen with a gay LI as well.


Also, speaking of rejection, it would be interesting to have a romance where the LI ultimately rejects you for whatever reason. In DA2 I could see Anders doing this, mainly for the fact that he doesn't trust himself to not hurt the person he loves. So you can have the old "throw rocks/yell at White Fang" treatment to get the PC to drop the LI because the LI thinks it's ultimately the best. Moments like these are some of those most/best agony inducing in film, because the audience knows, but the person being driven away has no idea.

Then the writers can take pity on us and have them get back together later on after whatever crisis is resolved, or the LI has some horrible ending that showed they were right to throw rocks at you to get you to leave.

But that's veering away from M/M specific romances.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 13 février 2013 - 10:57 .

[Dhiro]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

If we get M/M romances in DAI I want a big gruff manly-man to romance. Elves are too frail-looking and Anders was a lunatic. Give me some hunky man-meat to romance and I would be a very happy panda.

This doesn't seem awfully likely, given how focus testing seems to show a lot of straight men feel emasculated when a "gruff, manly man" is on their team. Alistair was once written like that and he had what seems to be a personality 180 from there to make him less intimidating. Not that I don't want you to have what you want, just saying it doesn't seem likely at this point =

I'm pretty sure that old Alistair was rewritten because he was boring.

[Kidd]

Dhiro wrote...

I'm pretty sure that old Alistair was rewritten because he was boring.

Oh if I'm misremembering posts here, then I'll be all the happier. I mean I already got great love plots with Alistair, Anders and Merrill so if anything I should not be catered to in DA3 while Kiwi gets exactly what she wants, purely in the name of fairness ^^ (not that I'm sure our tastes are wholly incompatible; hard to judge a story I've yet to witness)

[SgtElias]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Would anyone be interested in dwarves? I'm a bit shallow, so I doubt I would romance one since I don't find them very appealing. Many people love Varric though.

I'd absolutely be interested in dwarves! I'm really an (almost) compltely equal opportunity romancer; as long as the being has reached their age of consent, and can consent, I'm pretty open to romancing almost anyone.

It'd depend on the character, but I'd love a dwarf romance.

However, I think I'm in the minority on this issue.

ElitePinecone wrote...

Riordan is voiced by Stephane Comicard, who also did Stroud (the Grey Warden) in DA2.

I knew that Stroud and Riordan had the same voice actor, but I'd never looked up who it was! Thanks. And I've read the info from the leaked survey, so I hope you're right. That man's voice. . . wonderful. Even if it's used primarily for arguing with my PC, I will get over it.

Soundsystem wrote...

That being said, if people want DA3 characters to have set sexualities then there needs to be an equal amount.

Agreed; I wonder how the people who hated the "all bi" love interests would respond if we had two straight and  two gay characters for the next game? It'd basically cut everyone's love interestes down by half, and I don't think it'd be met with the fan approval some seem to think.

I'd prefer that, personally, to the way Origins did it; I'd be sad that no one was bisexual anymore because hey, I identify with that, but at least it'd be fair.

Modifié par SgtElias, 13 février 2013 - 01:01 .

[SgtElias]

RetroActiv wrote...

It just seems odd to me that it's gotten to the point that it's not even a question of "if" but a question of "who" and "how many" gay/bi companions we will see in each successive installment. Based on what we've seen so far with the dragon age series it seems bioware is has made it a mandatory rule to include a minimum of at least 2 or more major gay/bi companion characters in each game. I really really really hope that romances are handled differently in DAIII. Making everyone bisexual was just plain lazy and stupid imo. I was fine with how it was done in Origins. I'd like to see something in the way of Kelly Chambers esque romance options who aren't necessarily companions.

I'm not trying to call you out, or anything, but how would you feel if the only straight romance options were Kelly Chambers-esque romances? And all your romancable companions were gay?

Because being, well, not-straight, and only being able to sort-of romance the assistant with the morning report feels empty when everyone who is straight has a plethora of choices. 

What I'm basically saying is that I'd rather everyone was included, equally. And I don't think making a decision to include people is ever lazy or stupid.

[Thetford]

The first time I heard of Dragon Age, was overhearing from friends, what I assumed from that conversation was that you had a set male character that could in theory romance a whole cast of female characters, or this adorkable guy named Alistair (in retrospect, they must have been talking about playing a Lady Warden). Even when I got the game and found what it actually was, I was still convinced Alistair was the gay option - the whole lick a lamp post in winter line threw me, that line and the lines your Warden could say sounded a lot like flirting to me.

You could say I was slightly dissapointed when I found out Zephran was my only option. And he creeped me out.

Modifié par Thetford, 13 février 2013 - 01:36 .

[SgtElias]

motomotogirl wrote...

So if there is a Tevinter or just plain mage LI -- would you not want to also romance him with a mage or are you more into warrior/rogue for that type of character?

I tend to find that I enjoy romancing characters I feel are complete opposites in some way (Amell / Former Templar Alistair) or very similar (Mage!Hawke / Anders).

So I'd probably be more likely to romance a mage while playing a mage PC. Though I have this weird sort of . . . rule when chosing love interestes for my characters that I'll have no way to sort out until I'm actually playing the game, so . . . I guess we'll see.

Nefla wrote...

I wish there was a gay LI that was a strong, manly, independant guy like Canderous, Sagacious Zu, Sten, Zaeed, etc...

I agree! For some reason, I usually want to romance sensetive guys with a female, but would love a romance like Zu or Zaeed for a male.

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Also having someone who doesn't have a truma congo line would be alright.

. . . I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the trauma conga line will probably continue for awhile, unless the nature of Thedas changes drastically.

KiwiQuiche wrote...

I was moreso mad you couldn't stab Sebastian in the face for trying to threaten you into killing Anders. Ass.

I was always sad that there weren't a couple more dialogue options at that point in the game. "Do not interfere, Sebastian" always sounded to me like, "Not now, dear; Mommy is talking." I wanted both an angrier and a softer response, so I could use one or the other based on the character I was playing at the time.

Finally caught up with the thread! That'll teach me not to go to sleep . . .

Modifié par SgtElias, 13 février 2013 - 01:44 .

[Battlebloodmage]

Thetford wrote...

The first time I heard of Dragon Age, was overhearing from friends, what I assumed from that conversation was that you had a set male character that could in theory romance a whole cast of female characters, or this adorkable guy named Alistair (in retrospect, they must have been talking about playing a Lady Warden). Even when I got the game and found what it actually was, I was still convinced Alistair was the gay option - the whole lick a lamp post in winter line threw me, that line and the lines your Warden could say sounded a lot like flirting to me.

You could say I was slightly dissapointed when I found out Zephran was my only option. And he creeped me out.

Zevran can get a bit creepy when he talks about how much he enjoys killing people, but I always feel like it's in his personality to do so. He likes to creep people to show off how awesome he is as an assassin. He just enjoys living in the moment. While I didn't romance him per se, his character is a lot deeper than just a sexual being that people like to portray him as.

I'm glad I'm not the only one being thrown off by Alistair's lamp licking line. It would have been nice to romance Alistair as a male warden. The relationship just seems stereotypical and boring for me when playing as female warden. I ended up just romance Morrigan with my male warden since I don't like Zevran as a LI and Alistair is unavailable.

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 13 février 2013 - 02:18 .

[Kidd]

Thetford wrote...

Even when I got the game and found what it actually was, I was still convinced Alistair was the gay option - the whole lick a lamp post in winter line threw me, that line and the lines your Warden could say sounded a lot like flirting to me.

You just ruined this dialogue for me. And I love you for it! 

[SgtElias]

Thetford wrote...

The first time I heard of Dragon Age, was overhearing from friends, what I assumed from that conversation was that you had a set male character that could in theory romance a whole cast of female characters, or this adorkable guy named Alistair (in retrospect, they must have been talking about playing a Lady Warden). Even when I got the game and found what it actually was, I was still convinced Alistair was the gay option - the whole lick a lamp post in winter line threw me, that line and the lines your Warden could say sounded a lot like flirting to me.

I was in a similar situation, but with Morrigan. When I bought the game, I didn't realize that Morrigan and Alistair were straight-only romances, and I was bound and determined (based on a screenshot I'd seen the day before in a magazine spread) that Morrigan was going to be the character my F!Amell romanced.

Then, you know, I actually bought the game and found out what was what (and Morrigan opened her mouth and I heard the words that came out, which also killed any interest I had in romancing her).

Anyway, I sympathize. After DA2, I really wish Alistair had been romancable for males.

Oh well.

[PinkDiamondstl]

There is already a M/M thread . This needs to be locked down . reported !

[Parmida]

I want Cullen for my Manquisitor Blood Mage, I just love that templar!
HOT M!Templar/M!Blood Mage romance FTW! 

[Battlebloodmage]

Parmida wrote...

I want Cullen for my Manquisitor Blood Mage, I just love that templar!
HOT M!Templar/M!Blood Mage romance FTW! 

Hopefully, he's one of the options as well. I like him a lot since DAO. It does help that my mage is my first playthrough, so I have more emotional attachment to the characters.

[erilben]

ElitePinecone wrote...

The Kirkwall Viscount's son was heavily implied to be in a relationship with Ashaad - in fact, I'm pretty sure either David or Mike confirmed that at some point last year. He wasn't exactly royalty (and that storyline didn't end well), but it was interesting to see nonetheless.

Gaider said the viscount's son was gay here. However note that he lists couples, but puts the viscount's son on his own -"Wade & Herren, Branka & Hespith or the Viscount's son". Also qunari don't have romanatic relationships. At best, the viscount's son had one sided crush.

[Yumichika]

Why do people say that all the character in DA2 are bi? Knowing that Aveline and Varric are pure straight? I noticed that the main protagonist whom u met in the begenning of each adventure are always straight, Alistair, Morrigan, Varric, Aveline, Anders in awakenning.

So if they want a balance every single companion has to be romancable and please more interesting character design. Anders, Fenris are interesting they do have a strong story behind...

Modifié par Yumichika, 13 février 2013 - 04:25 .

[nightscrawl]

^ When people say this they are referring to the follower romances, not all followers.

However, if you go by what David Gaider has said in other threads, the lack of spoken interest in the same sex doesn't mean it might not be there, case in point: Anders from DAA. Here are some further DG remarks on Anders that will help you with his thinking on the subject.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 13 février 2013 - 04:59 .

[Avaflame]

Seems not many guys are into the Alistair lovin'. As to him being geared towards females, I should mention that I'm a guy and that Alistair pretty much ruined me. I'venever been able to play through Origins as a guy purely because I can't just have Alistair there and NOT try to romance him. He is adorable. Though I am glad that Alistair and Kaidan are from different games, otherwise I don't know what I'd do.

And also I'm with Dhiro on them not having changed him to prevent players feeling emasculated, I don't see that being a thing. I'm pretty sure guys typically see characters in movies and video games that are strong, dominant males and think they are awesome. See: Sten.

[Tootles FTW]

I don't get this need to have the character acknowledge if they're romancing someone of the same gender. I went to college. When I made-out with women (of which there were several) I didn't preface it with "I have a vagina, btw". Perhaps the character in question just doesn't care? If you wish the option to exist for your PC to mention the fact then that's a legitimate request, but I don't agree that every companion need address it if they don't see an issue.

I suppose this also goes hand-in-hand with people wanting companions to state their entire romantic history to legitimize their orientation ("Anders can't be bisexual, he only mentioned women that one time he ever off-handedly remarked on sex!").

Modifié par Tootles FTW, 13 février 2013 - 05:31 .

[CuriousArtemis]

^People who make such statements are simply, to put it bluntly, rather ignorant. They're unaware that many of their friends and co-workers are in fact gay or bisexual because they assume (unconsciously) that everyone they meet is straight until proven guilty, so to speak. So for these folks, if a character does not state that s/he is not-straight, then gay behavior in another game or future playthrough strikes them as confusing.

[Zepheera]

I'm going to toss my two cents in and say that I fully support LIs that represent all orientations. While I'm a straight woman, my interest in the LIs stem from playing through their romances in multiple playthroughs.

Part of what draws me into replaying a game, and even gets me to play outside of my standard female protagonist is the opportunity to explore the various romances; Kaidan and Cortez finally got me to actually play MShep through ME3.

[Terraforming2154]

Thetford wrote...

The first time I heard of Dragon Age, was overhearing from friends, what I assumed from that conversation was that you had a set male character that could in theory romance a whole cast of female characters, or this adorkable guy named Alistair (in retrospect, they must have been talking about playing a Lady Warden). Even when I got the game and found what it actually was, I was still convinced Alistair was the gay option - the whole lick a lamp post in winter line threw me, that line and the lines your Warden could say sounded a lot like flirting to me.

You could say I was slightly dissapointed when I found out Zephran was my only option. And he creeped me out.

I was in the same boat, but with Morrigan. I hadn't followed the game at all and my sister had brought up there was a s/s romance options for girls. Sort of opposite of SgtElias, I was definitely determined to romance Morrigan after her first introduction. I was pretty sad when I realized Leliana was my only option.

Additionally, I still think they could have done a lot with Alistair and Morrigan as s/s options too -- Alistair with his need to have an heir as king and Morrigan needing to produce a child for her dark ritual could have had interesting complications if they were attached to a male or female warden respectively. 

My disappointment with Morrigan is really why I liked DA2's all-bi cast. I immediately liked Merrill, but was worried she was going to be straight-only option. I'm so glad that I got to romance the character I liked, rather than just have one choice or no one.

Modifié par Terraforming2154, 13 février 2013 - 07:26 .