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[CitizenThom]

Rokayt wrote...

cowwy wrote...

To be fair it's still better than the Scimitar.

The Scimitar outperforms it two fold. Take it back!

Tokenusername wrote...

Are you familiar with the concept of a starter weapon in a RPG?

This isn't Disgaea, or Skyrim.

Its a shooter and an RPG.
We cannot let RPG kill the shooter.

It's too bad it isn't Disgaea.... some ninja-level dodging would be great, especially against stagger locking Geth Primes.

[Rokayt]

Kingston Atticus wrote...

 It can and HAS been used effectively on gold.  It can and HAS been used effectively on gold. That was WITHOUT ANY gear or equipment.

I say, give it to a Destroyer and put on the HVB and Smart-choke and throw on Shotgun Rail amps 3 and Shotgun gear 5 or shocktrooper gear 5 and go to gold. It should be even MOR effective!

It doesn't stop you from needing patience of a saint, absurd reflexes, aim, and/or very large genital-magazines in order to hold any hope of using it as effectively as basically anything else.

Well, that or an absurd mental block against using anything else.

CitizenThom wrote...

It's too bad it isn't Disgaea.... some ninja-level dodging would be great, especially against stagger locking Geth Primes.

My old, original Haitus was originally caused by me experiencing rolls in Dark Souls.

They were just TOO perfect for any other game involving rolling to be enjoyable.

Modifié par Rokayt, 13 février 2013 - 04:20 .

[Kingston Atticus]

Rokayt wrote...

Kingston Atticus wrote...

 It can and HAS been used effectively on gold.  It can and HAS been used effectively on gold. That was WITHOUT ANY gear or equipment.

I say, give it to a Destroyer and put on the HVB and Smart-choke and throw on Shotgun Rail amps 3 and Shotgun gear 5 or shocktrooper gear 5 and go to gold. It should be even MOR effective!

It doesn't stop you from needing patience of a saint, absurd reflexes, aim, and/or very large genital-magazines in order to hold any hope of using it as effectively as basically anything else.

CitizenThom wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

cowwy wrote...

To be fair it's still better than the Scimitar.

The Scimitar outperforms it two fold. Take it back!

Tokenusername wrote...

Are you familiar with the concept of a starter weapon in a RPG?

This isn't Disgaea, or Skyrim.

Its a shooter and an RPG.
We cannot let RPG kill the shooter.

It's too bad it isn't Disgaea.... some ninja-level dodging would be great, especially against stagger locking Geth Primes.

My old, original Haitus was originally caused by me experiencing rolls in Dark Souls.

They were just TOO perfect.

Well aparently I find messing around wit hthe starter weapons on gold ALOT more fun than you do! I even like screwing with the supposedly weak weapons in Borderlands and FF as well! What can I say? I am a VERY patient person who loves a challenge. You can ask any forumite that has played with me and I am sure they would either tell you that, or that I am a crazy suicidal MOFO! One or the other.or maybe both if you ask JackCrapper. Lol..Oh wait I implyed that I consider myself a crazy suicidal MOFO! DOH!!!

Modifié par Kingston Atticus, 13 février 2013 - 04:25 .

[Rokayt]

Kingston Atticus wrote...

Well aparently I find messing around wit hthe starter weapons on gold ALOT more fun than you do! I even like screwing with the supposedly weak weapons in Borderlands and FF as well! What can I say? I am a VERY patient person who loves a challenge. You can ask any forumite that has played with me and I am sure they would either tell you that, or that I am a crazy suicidal MOFO! One or the other.or maybe both if you ask JackCrapper. Lol..Oh wait I implyed that I consider myself a crazy suicidal MOFO! DOH!!!

I dislike the shuriken for its long burst delays feeling unnatural. The Locust is my Baby.
The Avenger is too stable for me. The Revenant is fun for me.
The Mantis is single shot, and accurate, but not hipfireable. I will hipfire my Kishook to glory instead.
The Predator has appereciable recoil, but unappreciable accuracy. Recoil dissapears scoped. Raptor suits my tastes too much.
The Katana is fun, but I personally like the Scimitar too much. Albeit, I would Perfer a Messier.... :innocent:

Notably, All of my favorite weapons are ones that are inferior in most peoples book, as well as statistics book, and they are ones that to this day I have found only myself holding the Gall to use, effectively, even.

I advocate them because I want others to share in their glory as I do.


..... Also, If this were disgaea.... There would be that chance of you dodging your own stim packs.
I hated it when my healers/ninjas dodged their own healing.

Modifié par Rokayt, 13 février 2013 - 04:33 .

[Justinmiles19]

AtR Sheepdog wrote...



So, 1st place (me) was using a Javelin IX on an Infiltrator. Second place was using a Katana X on an N7 Slayer Vanguard. 60 point difference on a predetermined map/enemy. And the Katana is useless?

Ok did you even look at your own photo? The player didnt even get the 25 shotgun kill medal! He CLEARLY used the gun the whole game.........

[Rokayt]

Justinmiles19 wrote...

AtR Sheepdog wrote...



So, 1st place (me) was using a Javelin IX on an Infiltrator. Second place was using a Katana X on an N7 Slayer Vanguard. 60 point difference on a predetermined map/enemy. And the Katana is useless?

Ok did you even look at your own photo? The player didnt even get the 25 shotgun kill medal! He CLEARLY used the gun the whole game.........

Yeah. I was respectful enough not to say "Dude, he didn't use any guns"

[RohanSpartan]

OperatingWookie wrote...

Tokenusername wrote...

Are you familiar with the concept of a starter weapon in an RPG?

At least the other starter weapons still retain some basic use. Not so with the katana.






If you guys want, I can edit this into a official petition to delete the katana.

If Zaeed used shotguns, he'd back hand you and say "I F**king DARE You."

[dysomnium]

Justinmiles19 wrote...

Ok did you even look at your own photo? The player didnt even get the 25 shotgun kill medal! He CLEARLY used the gun the whole game.........

It served its purpose, though, aye? Just because a weapon doesn't cause stellar amounts of damage doesn't mean it's useless. Also, he was using it the entire game. He just never really finished enemies off with it, hence the lack of shotgun KILLS.

[TehMerc]

Justinmiles19 wrote...
Ok did you even look at your own photo? The player didnt even get the 25 shotgun kill medal! He CLEARLY used the gun the whole game.........

That was really bugging me, thanks. Slayer's a power spam or "melee for the hell of it" class after the shield drain evolution buff, no one really bothers evolving weapon damage on him anymore.

[Rokayt]

maztor1225 wrote...
If there wasn't a best in class, there'd be no reason to have more than one of each weapon.
One shotgun, one AR, one SMG, one pistol, one sniper.
It's like other RPGs as I see it, invest more time, get better gear, become stronger and more lethal. 

Mass Effect three is an RPG in its powers, a Shooter in its weapons.
There was only four guns in Mass Effect 1.

People used the Avenger for its reliability in two.
They used the Revenent for ?!?!?!?!?!? Trololololol there two, but dayyng did they do it good.
They used the GPR for being that nutty secret weapon.
They used the Vindicator for its all around robustness, and burst fire.

They used what they liked, not what was better.

Acclaimed by its playes, and by the critics, its simply one of the best games ever for successfully blending the two elements while keeping them seperate. Allowing every player to hold their own, and have it their way.
It could be an RPG. (Albiet, a neutered one.)
It could be a shooter if you wanted it.

For most, it was definately both.

Modifié par Rokayt, 13 février 2013 - 04:42 .

[Justinmiles19]

AtR Sheepdog wrote...

Justinmiles19 wrote...

Ok did you even look at your own photo? The player didnt even get the 25 shotgun kill medal! He CLEARLY used the gun the whole game.........

It served its purpose, though, aye? Just because a weapon doesn't cause stellar amounts of damage doesn't mean it's useless. Also, he was using it the entire game. He just never really finished enemies off with it, hence the lack of shotgun KILLS.

Any gun in the game can be used to set up explosions which is what he did I am guessing. Incendiary rounds PD Biotic charge so does that make every gun in the game useful? As a set up any gun can be good. As a shotgun its about as useful as a krogan who is scared of violence.

[EvoSigma]

AtR Sheepdog wrote...

Justinmiles19 wrote...

Ok did you even look at your own photo? The player didnt even get the 25 shotgun kill medal! He CLEARLY used the gun the whole game.........

It served its purpose, though, aye? Just because a weapon doesn't cause stellar amounts of damage doesn't mean it's useless. Also, he was using it the entire game. He just never really finished enemies off with it, hence the lack of shotgun KILLS.

From my personal point of view, that really doesn't make much sense to me... He/she seems like a player that's fairly competent with a decently level manifest. I would have personally take an disciple, wraith, or eviscerator if I were going for strait power detonations with phrase disruptor (which is my personal guess). It's like refusing to go into battle with an m-920 Cain and opting to take a marshmellow on a stick instead. You can make that choice but there are clearly much better options out there.

[dysomnium]

Justinmiles19 wrote...

AtR Sheepdog wrote...

Justinmiles19 wrote...

Ok did you even look at your own photo? The player didnt even get the 25 shotgun kill medal! He CLEARLY used the gun the whole game.........

It served its purpose, though, aye? Just because a weapon doesn't cause stellar amounts of damage doesn't mean it's useless. Also, he was using it the entire game. He just never really finished enemies off with it, hence the lack of shotgun KILLS.

Any gun in the game can be used to set up explosions which is what he did I am guessing. Incendiary rounds PD Biotic charge so does that make every gun in the game useful? As a set up any gun can be good. As a shotgun its about as useful as a krogan who is scared of violence.

Hmm. Prior to the match, he and a friend were discussing a Slayer build specific to the use of the Katana. I shall have to ask him what that was - how it was built around the Katana - to shed further light on this.

[Rokayt]

AtR Sheepdog wrote...

Hmm. Prior to the match, he and a friend were discussing a Slayer build specific to the use of the Katana. I shall have to ask him what that was - how it was built around the Katana - to shed further light on this.

I hope this has a deep statistical background to it.

[Justinmiles19]

AtR Sheepdog wrote...

Justinmiles19 wrote...

AtR Sheepdog wrote...

Justinmiles19 wrote...

Ok did you even look at your own photo? The player didnt even get the 25 shotgun kill medal! He CLEARLY used the gun the whole game.........

It served its purpose, though, aye? Just because a weapon doesn't cause stellar amounts of damage doesn't mean it's useless. Also, he was using it the entire game. He just never really finished enemies off with it, hence the lack of shotgun KILLS.

Any gun in the game can be used to set up explosions which is what he did I am guessing. Incendiary rounds PD Biotic charge so does that make every gun in the game useful? As a set up any gun can be good. As a shotgun its about as useful as a krogan who is scared of violence.

Hmm. Prior to the match, he and a friend were discussing a Slayer build specific to the use of the Katana. I shall have to ask him what that was - how it was built around the Katana - to shed further light on this.

Indeed you should. Due to the many many builds across all character types and all the gear at your fingertips almost any gun can be good. But The Katana will not be one of the greats. And it was never meant to be. It Is a starter weapon and on bronze almost anything will cut down people in seconds. It serves its purpose at the start of the game.

When I first started I used it alot on bronze but the OP is right. If it were taken from the game I doubt we would see a single tear over the loss of the gun. Beacuse all fancy builds and gear aside its a starter gun with damage to match. Just my opinion

[soultaker65]

About 4 months ago I said that the Katana needed its weight lower and everyone said no.

IMO the Katana is the best of the starter weapon, and the only problem it has is the fact that it's so heavy.

Back then due to its damage and weight it was outclassed by every other shotgun in one way or another.

It looks even worse now since most have their Piranha at X (the Piranha weighs the same, but its DPS is much higher) and the Shotgun HVB helps the other low-end shotguns outshine it.

So yes I agree with you if we deleted the Katana, nothing of value would be lost beside the choice to use it for your shotgun challenge.

Modifié par soultaker65, 13 février 2013 - 05:07 .

[deafglasses]

The only thing interesting about the Katana is that it sounds like a katana when it unfolds.

[tungstenKestrel]

I see Abrams wrecking face with it on his QFE. Your argument is invalid.

Aim for the head. He always takes kills from me even when I use the Claymore.

[SavagelyEpic]

Tokenusername wrote...

Are you familiar with the concept of a starter weapon in a RPG?

Mass Effect 3 is a RPG.

Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer is not.

[MurderHouse]

There are a lot of weapons that aren't as functional as others, it's the way of the market. I know the roster is a little bit rediculous but it's still fun. A lot of weapons are outrageously outweighed.

After logistics and stats it goes down to personal preference.

[DSxCallOfBooty-]

This weapon REALLY needs a buff.

Double the damage, give it 2.0 - 1.4 weight. It'll change the role of the weapon a bit, but I'm fine with that. Krysae and Falcon used to be weapons for spawn-clearing, now they're for staggering. Different roles as a result of metagame evolution. Katana deserves the same.

EDIT:  If this sounds too drastic, compare it to the current state of the Harrier.  Would weigh more than the Harrier, with less DPS, and less effective range.

EDIT 2:  Alright, double damage might be asking a little too much.  Still needs a major damage buff, though.  Maybe 150% damage, keeping all of its other current values.

Modifié par DSxCallOfBooty-, 13 février 2013 - 05:43 .

[solidprice]

DSxCallOfBooty- wrote...

This weapon REALLY needs a buff.

Double the damage, give it 2.0 - 1.4 weight. It'll change the role of the weapon a bit, but I'm fine with that. Krysae and Falcon used to be weapons for spawn-clearing, now they're for staggering. Different roles as a result of metagame evolution. Katana deserves the same.

EDIT:  If this sounds too drastic, compare it to the current state of the Harrier.  Would weigh more than the Harrier, with less DPS, and less effective range.

EDIT 2:  Alright, double damage might be asking a little too much.  Still needs a major damage buff, though.  Maybe 150% damage, keeping all of it's other current values.

^^^^this
it dose need a buff. hell even if its more spare ammo, cause it needs it badly.

[Abramsrunner]

DSxCallOfBooty- wrote...

Alright, double damage might be asking a little too much.  Still needs a major damage buff, though.  Maybe 150% damage, keeping all of it's other current values.

Although it will probably never happen, I can still dream about it.

[Schneidend]

hearydiver wrote...

....starting guns are supposed to be inferior.

In ME1, perhaps. The Katana was competitive with the other shotguns in vanilla ME2. It should have remained that way in ME3, and it did not. The rarity system killed the Katana.

[Rokayt]

Double damage isn't as much as you would think: Its DPS is marginally better then the Falcons.

(Well. A little bit more then "Marginally better" but still quite similar.)

Modifié par Rokayt, 13 février 2013 - 05:53 .