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[White Flag]

OperatingWookie wrote...

Tokenusername wrote...

Are you familiar with the concept of a starter weapon in an RPG?

At least the other starter weapons still retain some basic use. Not so with the katana.






If you guys want, I can edit this into a official petition to delete the katana.

Your iron short sword doesn't even tickle that Red Dragon level 20 wizard/level 10 archmage 

[GriM_AoD]

Picture the scence.
QFE + Katana vs gold collectors
...

...
True Story

[Turian Master Race]

How difficult is to understand that it is a beginers weapon designed for bronze/silver? It is not there to compete with the rare, UR shotguns. I have a friend who started the game not long ago, played 30 games or so, her only shotgun is the katana. Would you delete it?

[HolyAvenger]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...


Funny, remember the days were ME was considered a RPG with TPS gameplay, not an TPS with RPG gameplay/or only elements as it's nowadays.

QFT.

[Mad Scientist]

AtR Sheepdog wrote...



So, 1st place (me) was using a Javelin IX on an Infiltrator. Second place was using a Katana X on an N7 Slayer Vanguard. 60 point difference on a predetermined map/enemy. And the Katana is useless?

No shotgun medal? Check.
No headshot medal. Check.
Biotic and tech kills medals? Also check.

Clearly he scored that high because he was using Katana. We may have found a use for it after all - a good luck charm for the superstitious.

[geroni24]

Rokayt wrote...
Its a shooter and an RPG.
We cannot let RPG kill the shooter.

people like you killed ME3

[CBGB]

It's light, it does more damage per shot than the Scimitar, and it upgrades quickly.

Eventually, I'll prefer the Eviscerator, but for now, my Katana X outperforms my Eviscerator II.

[Kinom001]

SavagelyEpic wrote...

Kinom001 wrote...

Ugh. No to removing or deleting. It's not bothering anyone by staying in it's slot and provides the beginning shotgun for everyone who begins playing this game.

Missing the point.

Actually, my point is that this is the shotgun everyone begins with. It's not meant to be the shotgun you stay with throughout the multiplayer experience. Weapons get upgraded and improved the longer one plays and the more credits are earned, then spent. The thought process that suggests "if it was deleted nothing would be missed" is fundamentally flawed since this is where we all started.

A Katana and a Predator was the first gear out for my Vanguard, but that was months ago. Now I have better weapons and play at a higher difficulty...and that's my point.

[Kuato Livezz]

Its ok. I'll bust it out on a lvl 1 char in bronze. There are better choices, but I'll use it to change it up a bit.

[Red Panda]

Kinom001 wrote...

SavagelyEpic wrote...

Kinom001 wrote...

Ugh. No to removing or deleting. It's not bothering anyone by staying in it's slot and provides the beginning shotgun for everyone who begins playing this game.

Missing the point.

Actually, my point is that this is the shotgun everyone begins with. It's not meant to be the shotgun you stay with throughout the multiplayer experience. Weapons get upgraded and improved the longer one plays and the more credits are earned, then spent. The thought process that suggests "if it was deleted nothing would be missed" is fundamentally flawed since this is where we all started.

A Katana and a Predator was the first gear out for my Vanguard, but that was months ago. Now I have better weapons and play at a higher difficulty...and that's my point.

The problem is I can use the avenger, shuriken, and predator as a token firearm.

The mantis is good so we won't go there, illing its niche as a cheap OSOK rifle.


The katana is terrible as it does neither of these functions well. It's a bad weapon and should feel bad.

[Chi_Mangetsu]

Slap an HVB on that sucker, give it to a QMS and enjoy your wrongness, Wookie.

Plus it makes that awesome Shing! sound effect when you whip it out, so there.

[Ziegrif]

Riiiiight.
Let's screw over the beginners and people starting multiplayer and not give them a shotgun to use.
I am beating you to death with my sarcasm.

[Tymathee]

if you want to talk about the Katana, you gotta talk about the Avenger, that thing is lulz.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

It's a ****ing common weapon for ****'s sake.

[born2beagator]

I think we should delete tactical cloak
*runs for cover*

[sabientje67]

Feneckus wrote...

Well, it's a non-Claymore shotgun ....

Of course it sucks.

Pretty much this ^

[Red Panda]

Tymathee wrote...

if you want to talk about the Katana, you gotta talk about the Avenger, that thing is lulz.

At least I can use it on a power heavy class. It doesn't even hold a candle to the scimitar.

[Rokayt]

geroni24 wrote...

Rokayt wrote...
Its a shooter and an RPG.
We cannot let RPG kill the shooter.

people like you killed ME3

Plot has little to do with gameplay. If you think that shooting ruined the endings, I would argue that you are rather wrong.

ME2 was better then 3, and even MORE dependent on the shooting aspect then 3 due to being neutered in terms of RPG elements. One was the best story, but wasn't nearly as fun to play, its gameplay instead something that was more something you experienced... Something that played out almost on its own.

If you are willing to waste the potential of half a roster of a games unique, and differently playing weaponry, then you should probably play something like a non-action MMO, where things like hours spent are the primary determiner of success, as opposed to things such as personal ability, and role is something you choose, not something you simply fall into.

[OblivionDawn]

It is a starter weapon and does not need removing.

[Red Panda]

OblivionDawn wrote...

It is a starter weapon and does not need removing.

It should be buffed. The Mantis was, and it certainly didn't need it.

[Scalabrine]

AtR Sheepdog wrote...



So, 1st place (me) was using a Javelin IX on an Infiltrator. Second place was using a Katana X on an N7 Slayer Vanguard. 60 point difference on a predetermined map/enemy. And the Katana is useless?

Lol way to put yourself on the spot. You just basically said you're bad and that other guy is superior to you in skill.

And that's besides the fact the guy didn't use the Katana at all... And yes, it is useless. But shouldn't be deleted, it's a starter weapon.

Modifié par Scalabrine, 14 février 2013 - 12:04 .

[Scalabrine]

Justinmiles19 wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

hearydiver wrote...

....starting guns are supposed to be inferior.

Explain the Mantis.

The English common name for any species in the order is "praying mantis" because of the typical "prayer-like" posture with folded fore-limbs, although the acorn "preying mantis" is sometimes used in reference to their predatory habits. In Europe and other regions, the name "praying mantis" refers to only a single species, Mantis religiosa. The closest relatives of mantises are the termites and cockroaches (order Blattodea). They are sometimes confused with phasmids (stick/leaf insects) and other elongated insects such as grasshoppers and crickets. 

How no one has commented or alluded to what you have done, is a crime against the morals of the internet.

I salute you good sir!

[capn233]

The Katana is not very good, even for a starter weapon. But if you look at the stats it really highlights how poor the Scimitar is.

Katana
Weight 1.5-0.9
Damage 384.8-481.6 (total)
ROF 60
DPSs RC 347.3-434.66

Scimitar
Weight 1.15-0.6
Damage 283.2-353.6 (total)
ROF 100
DPSs RC 388-484.4

Sustained DPS with the Scimitar, which is in theory supposed to be a "DPS" style shotgun, is hardly better than the Katana. Scimitar of course suffers from the problem of too little weight to be all that decent. Katana has something of the same problem.

Essentially a better balance paradigm would have been to make the common and uncommon weapons have somewhat respectable damage and DPS, but be on the heavy side for the damage you get. Not just balance the peashooters in to featherweights that still do little damage (what happened to the Scimitar).

There is room to move the Katana up in damage per shot. Only things it would infringe on in doing so would be the Eviscerator and Disciple, both of which are somewhat lacking now. You could practically tack on 200 total damage (~ 25 dmg per 'shot') to Katana, Scimitar, Eviscerator and Disciple. And then slightly adjust their weight.

[Rokayt]

The Eviscerator totally outdoes it in RC, and IC clip DPS as well, while being lighter, and slightly more accurate (Supposedly, shotgun accuracy is kinda funky. More precise is the right word.)



Albiet, Making the lower commoness weapons the heavy weapons doesn't make sense, as they are all light, standard issue style weapons that are highly conventional.

Making them Revenant styled simply does not make sense. These are not heavy machineguns, or bricks, they are conventional weaponry. Not very specialized, but (In theory) effecive at a large variety of roles.

Unfortunately, some are currently more effective then others, the Mantis being one of the most versitle rifles in the game due to its light weight and awesome damage. The Mattock being quite a bit like a honey badger..... If you have patience, it don't give no.... Feces.... to what you are shooting, and the Locust/Tempest which are some of the best weapons in the entire game for what they do. (Subsequent headshots/Locust, Being an assault rifle/Tempest.)

Some can be borderline broken when used with the right builds: Gold Troopers can be oneshot by the Phalnax, a fairly rapid pistol of good DPS and weight. Shield enemies take two shots, but its not like it matters at all.

Many of these weapons are still the main guns of people who have Harriers, Sabers, Wraiths, and Pirhanas.

Yet the rest are only useable to people of such narrow tastes as to only be able to enjoy using that weapon, and maybe one other.
And having weapons be used only because "Well, it sucks, but its the only gun whos behavior doesn't give me stomach flu" isn't the way to go.

Modifié par Rokayt, 14 février 2013 - 12:15 .