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[Bowhunter4L]

Don't know if this has been said but why can't have NPC's for specific sexual preference. And Anders was too much a fem even though he was a male. I can't stand him.lol

[Battlebloodmage]

Wrong, I don't want to do the same, I was just using it as an example to show the unfairness of the situation. People are just ususally care about what they want and screw-everyone-else attitude. I don't want the NPC if it's exclusive to any sexual orientation.

[catharsisboo]

draken-heart wrote...
And you would do the same to straight romances. I do not see how that is fair to those who want straight companions as romances only to find their only options for non-bi/non-gay options are NPCs.

But they have o/s options and they always will. Are you saying that people wouldn't be satisfied with a romance because their LI was also available as a s/s option? 

[draken-heart]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Wrong, I don't want to do the same, I was just using it as an example to show the unfairness of the situation. People are just ususally care about what they want and screw-everyone-else attitude. I don't want the NPC if it's exclusive to any sexual orientation.

then the only way would be to have Bi NPCs and use either all bi companions or gay/straight companions.

[draken-heart]

catharsisboo wrote...

draken-heart wrote...
And you would do the same to straight romances. I do not see how that is fair to those who want straight companions as romances only to find their only options for non-bi/non-gay options are NPCs.

But they have o/s options and they always will. Are you saying that people wouldn't be satisfied with a romance because their LI was also available as a s/s option? 

the thing I liked about Samantha/Steve being NPC LIs in ME3 was the fact that Bioware gave homoesxual players (And straight players with homosexual characters) the feel of having a lover at home waiting for you to get back. Wanted to recapture that.

[Battlebloodmage]

draken-heart wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Wrong, I don't want to do the same, I was just using it as an example to show the unfairness of the situation. People are just ususally care about what they want and screw-everyone-else attitude. I don't want the NPC if it's exclusive to any sexual orientation.

then the only way would be to have Bi NPCs and use either all bi companions or gay/straight companions.

I wouldn't mind. I just want gay characters to be treated equal, not special. The same goes to straight characters.

[draken-heart]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Wrong, I don't want to do the same, I was just using it as an example to show the unfairness of the situation. People are just ususally care about what they want and screw-everyone-else attitude. I don't want the NPC if it's exclusive to any sexual orientation.

then the only way would be to have Bi NPCs and use either all bi companions or gay/straight companions.

I wouldn't mind. I just want gay characters to be treated equal, not special. The same goes to straight characters.

6 bi LIs, way too unrealistic, even for a fantasy game. the other way, makes it look like Bioware is discriminating against bisexuals.

Modifié par draken-heart, 15 février 2013 - 11:25 .

[catharsisboo]

draken-heart wrote...

catharsisboo wrote...

draken-heart wrote...
And you would do the same to straight romances. I do not see how that is fair to those who want straight companions as romances only to find their only options for non-bi/non-gay options are NPCs.

But they have o/s options and they always will. Are you saying that people wouldn't be satisfied with a romance because their LI was also available as a s/s option? 

the thing I liked about Samantha/Steve being NPC LIs in ME3 was the fact that Bioware gave homoesxual players (And straight players with homosexual characters) the feel of having a lover at home waiting for you to get back. Wanted to recapture that.

Ehh...that's fine for some people, I guess, but I personally love having a LI I can take with me everywhere. I watch out for them in combat (in DAO/DA2, I usually add a tactic to reflect that ) but NPC romances strike me as a huge lack of content compared to LIs who are also squadmates/party members.

[Harle Cerulean]

draken-heart wrote...

jillabender wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

jillabender wrote...

With respect, draken-heart, I'm don't quite understand what your reasoning is for wanting exclusively gay romances to be restricted to non-companion NPCs.

Is it because you strongly prefer for all romanceable companion characters to be romanceable by characters of any gender, but don't mind the idea of exclusively gay or straight romances for non-companion characters? I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from.

I like the Idea of inclusion, but not the idea of messing with a character idea by adding a same sex romance option. Origins had the best compromise: 3 each, 2 opposite sex, and 1 same sex. I just felt like adding another same sex option without messing with the set up of some potential romace options per gender and the rest of the party being like mentors/comrades.

Is your reasoning, then, that you prefer for each companion character to have a clearly defined sexual orientation, whether gay, straight or bi, and you see exclusively gay romances with non-companion characters as a way to do that without having markedly fewer same-sex romances compared to hetero ones?

I can understand that, but it's not something I would like to see, because many people don't seem to enjoy NPC romances as much as companion romances, partly for the reason that the time spent with the character tends to feel like less when they don't accompany the PC on missions, even when the amount of dialogue is the same.

If there were both gay and straight NPC romance options, I wouldn't mind it, but I don't like the idea of treating gay and straight romances differently when it comes to which are companions and which aren't.

well, I can understand that. IF they could do S/S companions while making that companion feel like someone i would want to have at my side before they say they are gay/lesbian, I will drop the idea.

that and Liara's change in ME2&3 and Anders's change in DA2 from Awakening actually irked me, as they were some of my favorite characters in their respective franchises until those changes. Reason I chose Samantha in ME3, she was like Liara was in ME1

Why?  Why would a character have to prove themselves exceptionally worthy of companionhood before you find out they're bi or gay?  You don't expect that of straight characters.

[draken-heart]

catharsisboo wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

catharsisboo wrote...

draken-heart wrote...
And you would do the same to straight romances. I do not see how that is fair to those who want straight companions as romances only to find their only options for non-bi/non-gay options are NPCs.

But they have o/s options and they always will. Are you saying that people wouldn't be satisfied with a romance because their LI was also available as a s/s option? 

the thing I liked about Samantha/Steve being NPC LIs in ME3 was the fact that Bioware gave homoesxual players (And straight players with homosexual characters) the feel of having a lover at home waiting for you to get back. Wanted to recapture that.

Ehh...that's fine for some people, I guess, but I personally love having a LI I can take with me everywhere. I watch out for them in combat (in DAO/DA2, I usually add a tactic to reflect that ) but NPC romances strike me as a huge lack of content compared to LIs who are also squadmates/party members.

because the content is mostly due to them being a party member, not a LI.

[Battlebloodmage]

draken-heart wrote...


6 bi LIs, way too unrealistic, even for a fantasy game. the other way, makes it look like Bioware is discriminating against bisexuals.

If they would include 6 LIs, 2 could be gays, 2 could be straights, and 2 could be bi. All would be represented. There is no need to make them all bisexuals.

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 15 février 2013 - 11:32 .

[catharsisboo]

draken-heart wrote...

catharsisboo wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

catharsisboo wrote...

draken-heart wrote...
And you would do the same to straight romances. I do not see how that is fair to those who want straight companions as romances only to find their only options for non-bi/non-gay options are NPCs.

But they have o/s options and they always will. Are you saying that people wouldn't be satisfied with a romance because their LI was also available as a s/s option? 

the thing I liked about Samantha/Steve being NPC LIs in ME3 was the fact that Bioware gave homoesxual players (And straight players with homosexual characters) the feel of having a lover at home waiting for you to get back. Wanted to recapture that.

Ehh...that's fine for some people, I guess, but I personally love having a LI I can take with me everywhere. I watch out for them in combat (in DAO/DA2, I usually add a tactic to reflect that ) but NPC romances strike me as a huge lack of content compared to LIs who are also squadmates/party members.

because the content is mostly due to them being a party member, not a LI.

Partially, but look at Sam and Steve's love scenes compared to the other LIs. I haven't romanced everyone obviously, but Liara, Kaidan, and Ashley get unique scenes while Sam and Steve's end game romance scene are pretty much the same. Also, you get some dialogue that reflects the romance with party member LIs, while the only reaction I remember getting from romancing Cortez was Javik's "you and the human pilot are joined?" 

Edit: Oh, I forgot about Sam's shower scene, which I suppose could count as a love scene, but then she doesn't get a date on the Citadel, does she? So that could be making up for that.

Modifié par catharsisboo, 15 février 2013 - 11:29 .

[draken-heart]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Why?  Why would a character have to prove themselves exceptionally worthy of companionhood before you find out they're bi or gay?  You don't expect that of straight characters.

Not because of the gay, but for every companion, there is an aspect for people of taking those they like best. I would never use Anders/Wynne unless I need a healer. Nothing spectacular, nothing making me want to use them as a healer, just I need a healer and they are a healer.

[Renmiri1]

draken-heart wrote...


And you would do the same to straight romances. I do not see how that is fair to those who want straight companions as romances only to find their only options for non-bi/non-gay options are NPCs. so is heterosexual/homosexual companions with Bisexual NPCs.

the all NPC romances feel like Bioware is disciminating against romance lovers. and ALL companions would make it feel like a dating sim.

There is such thing as history, you know ?

Equality for gay / bi people is only starting to happen now, straight people have had it for millenia. To turn back the clock because you feel "icky" is mighty sexist of you.

No, it isn't fair that we are in the 21st century and gays still have to fight for the right to visit their loved ones in the hospital or for the right to be treated equally in a game. Your feelings of ickiness don't trump reality and history.

[Harle Cerulean]

draken-heart wrote...

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Why?  Why would a character have to prove themselves exceptionally worthy of companionhood before you find out they're bi or gay?  You don't expect that of straight characters.

Not because of the gay, but for every companion, there is an aspect for people of taking those they like best. I would never use Anders/Wynne unless I need a healer. Nothing spectacular, nothing making me want to use them as a healer, just I need a healer and they are a healer.

 

Yes, and?  You seem to be suggesting that if you found out a character was gay or bi before you decided you liked them as a companion, that would mean you wouldn't like them as a companion and wouldn't use them.  Because otherwise, there is absolutely no reason to single out gay/bi companions as somehow needing to prove themselves before you find out their sexuality.  All companions need to prove themselves as someone you like, sexuality shouldn't factor in.

[draken-heart]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Why?  Why would a character have to prove themselves exceptionally worthy of companionhood before you find out they're bi or gay?  You don't expect that of straight characters.

Not because of the gay, but for every companion, there is an aspect for people of taking those they like best. I would never use Anders/Wynne unless I need a healer. Nothing spectacular, nothing making me want to use them as a healer, just I need a healer and they are a healer.

 

Yes, and?  You seem to be suggesting that if you found out a character was gay or bi before you decided you liked them as a companion, that would mean you wouldn't like them as a companion and wouldn't use them.  Because otherwise, there is absolutely no reason to single out gay/bi companions as somehow needing to prove themselves before you find out their sexuality.  All companions need to prove themselves as someone you like, sexuality shouldn't factor in.

gay characters are just an example in that. You should know people use what is in the title as examples for their point.

[Renmiri1]

The weirdest part is you have a Traynor avatar, while being so adamant in keeping the gay away from your party. You sure it is not because "the gay" intrigues you and you don't want to feel tempted ?

[Harle Cerulean]

draken-heart wrote...

Harle Cerulean wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Why?  Why would a character have to prove themselves exceptionally worthy of companionhood before you find out they're bi or gay?  You don't expect that of straight characters.

Not because of the gay, but for every companion, there is an aspect for people of taking those they like best. I would never use Anders/Wynne unless I need a healer. Nothing spectacular, nothing making me want to use them as a healer, just I need a healer and they are a healer.

 

Yes, and?  You seem to be suggesting that if you found out a character was gay or bi before you decided you liked them as a companion, that would mean you wouldn't like them as a companion and wouldn't use them.  Because otherwise, there is absolutely no reason to single out gay/bi companions as somehow needing to prove themselves before you find out their sexuality.  All companions need to prove themselves as someone you like, sexuality shouldn't factor in.

gay characters are just an example in that. You should know people use what is in the title as examples for their point.

I'm sorry, but you're simply not making sense.  You've shifted what you're saying and what you say this thread is about at least five times.  Now you seem to be saying that you think all companions should be likeable so you'll want yo use them, and that nothing that could possibly make someone dislike a character should be brought up until you already like them, and you just used sexuality as an ~example~?  Correct me if I'm wrong about these new goalposts!  

Fact: There will always be characters that are liked by some people, and not by others.  I adore Fenris, Isabela, and Zevran, and there are loads of people who despise one of those three - or all of them.  I don't care for Morrigan, Merrill, Leliana, or Anders, but they all have ardent fans.  Bioware does not write the companions with the intent that all of them will appeal to everyone, and they shouldn't even try, because that would fail.  Badly.  Sexuality is just one of the things that can make someone dislike a character - and it's one of the absolute least legitimate reasons not to like a character, so trying to prevent people from disliking companions by not giving them "offensive" sexualities?  Screw that.

[LTD]

I personally would like to see  F/F/DW/Pigeon romances.

[Harle Cerulean]

LTD wrote...

I personally would like to see  F/F/DW/Pigeon romances.

 

Lesbians dual-wielding pigeons?  IDK, feathers are one thing, but the whole bird...

[LTD]

Dialogue Wheel. Two lesbians stuffing naked pigeons inside that big hole in center of a Dialogue Wheel in all these filthy and depreaved ways.. god it'd be so hot.

Modifié par LTD, 16 février 2013 - 12:11 .

[Battlebloodmage]

LTD wrote...

Dialogue Wheel. Two lesbians stuffing naked pigeons inside that big hole in center of a Dialogue Wheel in all these filthy and depreaved ways.. god it'd be so hot.

There's an app for that.

[LTD]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

LTD wrote...

Dialogue Wheel. Two lesbians stuffing naked pigeons inside that big hole in center of a Dialogue Wheel in all these filthy and depreaved ways.. god it'd be so hot.

There's an app for that.

...Come to think of it,
if I were to google Skyrim Nexus Pigeon Sex  Dialogue Wheel getting stretched  by two Lesbians.. there is terrifyingly high change for  all my dreams to come true...

...
AFK!!!

Modifié par LTD, 16 février 2013 - 12:14 .

[Bowhunter4L]

I don't know if I confused it. I meant if him/ her have the choices but that NPC is a specific sexually. So each sexual preference has their own options. Example my proganist is straight so my LI would be the same, but at the same time you can have the option of your LI to be of any class and race.

[Battlebloodmage]

Wolvenrick wrote...

I don't know if I confused it. I meant if him/ her have the choices but that NPC is a specific sexually. So each sexual preference has their own options. Example my proganist is straight so my LI would be the same, but at the same time you can have the option of your LI to be of any class and race.

He wants to exclude s/s LIs to NPCs because he doesn't want gay companions. The issue people have with him wasn't the inclusion of NPC LI for more sexual orientations, the issue is he wants the S/S LIs to be the NPC specifically because people are not comfortable with S/S companion.

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 16 février 2013 - 12:30 .