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[Nashiktal]

iakus wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Personally? I'm all for npc romances. However considering my only experience with NPC romance is with ME3, I found samantha and cortez, while both excellent characters, were much less fleshed out, and had much less content than what was possible with the squadmates.

Don't think that was specific to them.  Certain ME3 squadmates were awfully quiet...

Oh certainly, but I even felt Trayner(?) and Cortez had much less than the squadmates on the ship, even discounting ambient and situational dialogue the squadmates get during missions.

[Xilizhra]

The point here is you seem to think drakenheart is saying ALL s/s romances should be NPC while straight are with party members. s/he is not.

Still undermining DA2's gains on the subject, and hence utterly unworthy of support.

[Xilizhra]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Still undermining DA2's gains on the subject, and hence utterly unworthy of support.

Then point out that you don't agree with that point, and agree with the thread topic. Heck, Xil, if I focused on what I didn't agree with in each thread I'd never say anything positive. You've got to be able to ignore the bad--point it out, sure, but don't focus on it. That helps no one.

But there is no good in this thread. The entire premise of it is using less important people as exclusive homosexual romances to make up for exclusively heterosexual ones in the actual party. This is a quick and dirty fix ME3 used when the team finally got its head on at least sort of straight; it's utterly unnecessary in a series when the developers have moved beyond ME levels of puerility already.

[Xilizhra]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

But there is no good in this thread. The entire premise of it is using less important people as exclusive homosexual romances to make up for exclusively heterosexual ones in the actual party. This is a quick and dirty fix ME3 used when the team finally got its head on at least sort of straight; it's utterly unnecessary in a series when the developers have moved beyond ME levels of puerility already.

Again, I haven't seen any evidence of that, Xil.

I decided to make this thread to talk about the idea of non-party S/S *exclusive* romance options.

OP.

[SgtElias]

EntropicAngel wrote...

They are. I haven't seen a single statement by him/her saying they would replace all party member same sex romances with NPC romances. At all.

I hesitate to bring this up, or to wade back into this, but thought I'd say something here.

The OP was asking for this feature (before making his own thread) in the F/F romance thread. I was unclear what, specifically, he was asking for,  so private messaged him to clarify, as I'd already dragged the F/F thread off-topic asking him clarifying questions.

And as far as I understand, that is exactly what he's asking for: the romances to mirror Origins, with four romancable companions (2 straight, 2 bi) in the party, and to move the same-sex only romance options to NPC characters. Only after I felt I understood what he wanted did I come into this thread (that the OP had made while he was answering my questions) to voice my trepidation.

The situation you describe is completely different, and thus irrelevant.

The point here is you seem to think drakenheart is saying ALL s/s romances should be NPC while straight are with party members. s/he is not.

If that's not what he's saying, then at this point I really don't know what his position is. Why would people be arguing with him just for asking for S/S NPC romances?

And OP, if I did, somehow, again, misunderstand you, please let me know.

Modifié par SgtElias, 14 février 2013 - 05:01 .

[Xilizhra]

TL;DR: "Exclusive" refers to "S/S," not "Non-party"

Yes, that's what I freakin' meant to begin with.

[Zkyire]

David Gaider wrote...


Sorry, but you're not doing your argument any favors by some of the opinions you're bringing up-- which  seems to be your implication that Merrill and Anders were destroyed by the revelation of their bisexuality.

Indeed, you've managed to bring up some of the very arguments I mention here, and thus derail your own topic by being rather offensive.

If all you'd wanted to discuss was the addition of romances which are homosexual-only, then you should have said so and left it at that. My response to this has always been that I would love to... provided there were resources enough for the spread to be fair. If not, then bisexual romances-- whether they are subjectively bisexual or not-- are the way to go.

As for everyone else, please discuss the matter at hand civilly or refrain, lest the thread be closed and some bans handed out for good measure.

No problem with some non-party NPCs being heterosexual, some bisexual and some homosexual.

From a party perspective, in Mass Effect 3, my Shep is 100% hetero, and I quite liked Traynor. But playing as a  male Shepard, rather than being annoyed that Traynor couldn't be a LI, I actually *liked* that individual characters had individual preferences (see also Cortez).

If Mass Effect can have some heterosexual, some bisexual and some homosexual companions, why not Dragon Age Inquisition? (I'm assuming there are similar budgets and time constraints?)

Modifié par Zkyire, 14 février 2013 - 05:22 .

[Xilizhra]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Yes, that's what I freakin' meant to begin with.

But " S/S exclusive" doesn't have anything to do with parties, with non-party or with party members. It means s/he's ONLY talking about S/S, as opposed to straight.

I GORRAM KNOW THAT ALREADY.

I'm saying it's a bad idea because, as mentioned prior, he's trying to reinstitute exclusively straight party romances, even if some party romances would still be bisexual.

In Mass Effect 3, my Shep is 100% hetero, and I quite liked Traynor. But
playing as a male Shepard, rather than being annoyed that Traynor
couldn't be a LI, I actually *liked* that individual characters had
individual preferences.

And you can have that with Aveline in DA2.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 14 février 2013 - 05:17 .

[Zkyire]

EDIT: Double post, delete please.

Modifié par Zkyire, 14 février 2013 - 05:20 .

[Zkyire]

Xilizhra wrote...

And you can have that with Aveline in DA2.

Gaider was talking about 'the way to go' as in future DA titles.

So was I.

[Xilizhra]

Zkyire wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

And you can have that with Aveline in DA2.

Gaider was talking about 'the way to go' as in future DA titles.

So was I.

So you'd have hetero/****** NPCs, with all-bisexual companions?

[Zkyire]

Xilizhra wrote...
So you'd have hetero/****** NPCs, with all-bisexual companions?

No I was saying that he was talking about future titles, and that I was expressing my own hopes (which is similar to his hopes, but differs from his implementation) for future titles based on Mass Effect 3's handling of heterosexual/bisexual/homosexual companions.

No problem with NPCs being whatever, it's just difficult to tell exactly what they are, that is: two male NPCs are together, are they homosexuals or bisexuals just in a M/M relationship at the moment? You can't know unless you ask them. So more representation; fine. It'll just be hard to know the specifics without talking to them individually.

Modifié par Zkyire, 14 février 2013 - 05:35 .

[Xilizhra]

No I was saying that he was talking about future titles, and that I was expressing my own hopes (which differ from his) for future titles based on Mass Effect 3's handling of heterosexual/bisexual/homosexual companions.

ME3's were patchwork. DA2 does it more or less perfectly.

[Rawgrim]

RainbowPuppy wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

No problem with some non-party NPCs being heterosexual, some bisexual and some homosexual.

From a party perspective, in Mass Effect 3, my Shep is 100% hetero, and I quite liked Traynor. But playing as a male Shepard, rather than being annoyed that Traynor couldn't be a LI, I actually *liked* that individual characters had individual preferences (see also Cortez).

If Mass Effect can have some heterosexual, some bisexual and some homosexual companions, why not Dragon Age? (I'm assuming there are similar budgets and time constraints?)

I believe David Gaider has stated he would like characters with different sexual orientation, but due to lack of resources they decided to opt for fairness instead. Afaik, Traynor was the only woman who turned down a male Shepard due to preferences, and she was a non-party member introduced in the last game. It's a little worse for non-heterosexual players who find themselves limited to very few same-sex options (and in Mass Effect, only one for each gender that is ever a party member during the series).

Those resources are being used for the multiplayer option that EA wants for this game.

[Zkyire]

RainbowPuppy wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

No problem with some non-party NPCs being heterosexual, some bisexual and some homosexual.

From a party perspective, in Mass Effect 3, my Shep is 100% hetero, and I quite liked Traynor. But playing as a male Shepard, rather than being annoyed that Traynor couldn't be a LI, I actually *liked* that individual characters had individual preferences (see also Cortez).

If Mass Effect can have some heterosexual, some bisexual and some homosexual companions, why not Dragon Age? (I'm assuming there are similar budgets and time constraints?)

I believe David Gaider has stated he would like characters with different sexual orientation, but due to lack of resources they decided to opt for fairness instead. Afaik, Traynor was the only woman who turned down a male Shepard due to preferences, and she was a non-party member introduced in the last game. It's a little worse for non-heterosexual players who find themselves limited to very few same-sex options (and in Mass Effect, only one for each gender that is ever a party member during the series).

Oh I know, I'm probably approaching this from a perspective of "Hey I already get a choice between what, 4 female LIs so it's nice that one says she's not interested".

I'd probably be singing a different tune if my original options were limited to begin with.

[Zkyire]

Xilizhra wrote...

No I was saying that he was talking about future titles, and that I was expressing my own hopes (which differ from his) for future titles based on Mass Effect 3's handling of heterosexual/bisexual/homosexual companions.

ME3's were patchwork. DA2 does it more or less perfectly.

I don't understand, elaborate?

[Xilizhra]

Zkyire wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

No I was saying that he was talking about future titles, and that I was expressing my own hopes (which differ from his) for future titles based on Mass Effect 3's handling of heterosexual/bisexual/homosexual companions.

ME3's were patchwork. DA2 does it more or less perfectly.

I don't understand, elaborate?

"We're trying to update our social mores into the current century, but have too many characters who are straight already... slap these two random gay people on the ship and hope it counts."

[Zkyire]

Xilizhra wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

No I was saying that he was talking about future titles, and that I was expressing my own hopes (which differ from his) for future titles based on Mass Effect 3's handling of heterosexual/bisexual/homosexual companions.

ME3's were patchwork. DA2 does it more or less perfectly.

I don't understand, elaborate?

"We're trying to update our social mores into the current century, but have too many characters who are straight already... slap these two random gay people on the ship and hope it counts."

Oh fair enough.

Then yes, agreed on that point.

But it doesn't detract from them being decent characters to begin with. Yes they were tacked on, but they were given some depth.