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[Battlebloodmage]

Rawgrim wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

I think if the game is good, people will buy it. Skyrim has "bisexuality" in it, and it sold extremely well. DAO had it as well, even though they don't have the homosexual LIs (Isabela and Anders) initiate the move but still.

I think Zevran and Leliana can initiate moves.

I remember that you have it as options, but you need to click on the option for them to talk about it. I remember Zevran only hits on me if I pick something like "I notice you've been staring at me a lot". 

[draken-heart]

Xilizhra wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

In that case, why not just not have flirting at all unless one of the characters just happens to be flirtarious? Which, incidentally, is what we got anyway.

But they don't would rather not homosexuals flirting with them. And that still isn't solved by what we have (at least for DA ][--ME3 was a bit better and honestly the way I'd prefer the romantic interaction to go. Romantic interaction, not the specific numbers and full-party or non-party aspect).

Why does anything in DA2 need to be solved? And, quite frankly, they can deal with it. If I can do so for numerous heterosexual flirtations with minimal impact, they can do so on their end.

I never really liked the All-BI set up anyways. I know it is fantasy, but even in fantasy, four bisexuals/demisexuals joining the party around the same time frame, that seemed really unrealistic.

[Rawgrim]

draken-heart wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

In that case, why not just not have flirting at all unless one of the characters just happens to be flirtarious? Which, incidentally, is what we got anyway.

But they don't would rather not homosexuals flirting with them. And that still isn't solved by what we have (at least for DA ][--ME3 was a bit better and honestly the way I'd prefer the romantic interaction to go. Romantic interaction, not the specific numbers and full-party or non-party aspect).

Why does anything in DA2 need to be solved? And, quite frankly, they can deal with it. If I can do so for numerous heterosexual flirtations with minimal impact, they can do so on their end.

I never really liked the All-BI set up anyways. I know it is fantasy, but even in fantasy, four bisexuals/demisexuals joining the party around the same time frame, that seemed really unrealistic.

5 if you count Justice.

[SgtElias]

EntropicAngel wrote...

I'd prefer they did it like DA ][ usually did it (outside of Anders or Isabella) or ME3, actually: have the comanions say slightly leading things that you can choose to take up or ignore.

And it wouldn't bother you if a male character made "leading" statements (to use your word) toward your male PC? Or, I suppose, if a female character did the same?

I suppose what I'm getting at is that if some characters can't be overly flirtatious, then none of them should, gay or straight.

And if that's something you're for, then fair enough. I liked that our companions in DA2 expressed an interest in the PC (a lot, actually), but can agree to disagree.

[Battlebloodmage]

Still beat only having one option to choose from. If you don't like the only option available, tough luck. If Cortez was the only option, my Shep would have been forever alone.

[draken-heart]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

I think if the game is good, people will buy it. Skyrim has "bisexuality" in it, and it sold extremely well. DAO had it as well, even though they don't have the homosexual LIs (Isabela and Anders) initiate the move but still.

I think Zevran and Leliana can initiate moves.

I remember that you have it as options, but you need to click on the option for them to talk about it. I remember Zevran only hits on me if I pick something like "I notice you've been staring at me a lot". 

Leliana-Compliments on your hair, some do not see that as flirting, but it did seem she was making a move, just a little.

Zevran-does sound a little flirty with his compliments when he is talking you into sparing him.

[Rawgrim]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Still beat only having one option to choose from. If you don't like the only option available, tough luck. If Cortez was the only option, my Shep would have been forever alone.

Its a roleplaying game, though. Not a dating sim. I didn`t like any of the love interests in ME1. Tought luck for me too. The game was still damn good.

[Battlebloodmage]

I think Lelianna is just girly in general, she wants to pretty up Shale as well. I don't see it in Zevran, but I guess it's subjective and people can interpret it however they want.

[Zkyire]

I'd just like to point out that while I would like the more visible inclusion of S/S non-party NPCs, the whole "this is offensive" thing is meaningless. A person saying "I'm offended" is basically just whining, no matter the subject.

[bzombo]

My preference is for there to be exclusively homosexual and heterosexual romances with maybe one bisexual male and one bisexual female. I think DAO did it really well.

[Battlebloodmage]

Rawgrim wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Still beat only having one option to choose from. If you don't like the only option available, tough luck. If Cortez was the only option, my Shep would have been forever alone.

Its a roleplaying game, though. Not a dating sim. I didn`t like any of the love interests in ME1. Tought luck for me too. The game was still damn good.

Yes, and I didn't romance anyone in the game. The game was still good, but ME1 wasn't made for me. ME3 overall was better personally for me because the game was made with me in mind. I don't think you understand the feeling of inclusion after being excluded game after game. It's not a big part of the game; however, it was something a feature that enhanced the game greatly for me because I can narrate the story the way I want to. I don't want to be treated different, just equal. I don't care about bisexuality, if the game allows me to have options just like the straight counterpart, I'm happy. I only support "bisexuality" if I would end up being forced to stuck with just one romance while others have 2 or more. 

[draken-heart]

I will re-ask the question here:

How would you all feel about adding S/S NPC romance options? whether that be in addition to party ones or not, it does not matter.

If you think it is a good idea, say so and state your reason why. If you do not, say so and state your reason why not.

[Battlebloodmage]

draken-heart wrote...

I will re-ask the question here:

How would you all feel about adding S/S NPC romance options? whether that be in addition to party ones or not, it does not matter.

If you think it is a good idea, say so and state your reason why. If you do not, say so and state your reason why not.

I feel like adding S/S NPC alongside with non S/S NPC romance would be swell. 

[draken-heart]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

I will re-ask the question here:

How would you all feel about adding S/S NPC romance options? whether that be in addition to party ones or not, it does not matter.

If you think it is a good idea, say so and state your reason why. If you do not, say so and state your reason why not.

I feel like adding S/S NPC alongside with non S/S NPC romance would be swell. 

forgot to put your reason as to why you think it would be.

[Battlebloodmage]

draken-heart wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

I will re-ask the question here:

How would you all feel about adding S/S NPC romance options? whether that be in addition to party ones or not, it does not matter.

If you think it is a good idea, say so and state your reason why. If you do not, say so and state your reason why not.

I feel like adding S/S NPC alongside with non S/S NPC romance would be swell. 

forgot to put your reason as to why you think it would be.

Because EVERYONE would have more options and s/s NPC only would not be used as reason for avoid the ghey.

[Rawgrim]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Still beat only having one option to choose from. If you don't like the only option available, tough luck. If Cortez was the only option, my Shep would have been forever alone.

Its a roleplaying game, though. Not a dating sim. I didn`t like any of the love interests in ME1. Tought luck for me too. The game was still damn good.

Yes, and I didn't romance anyone in the game. The game was still good, but ME1 wasn't made for me. ME3 overall was better personally for me because the game was made with me in mind. I don't think you understand the feeling of inclusion after being excluded game after game. It's not a big part of the game; however, it was something a feature that enhanced the game greatly for me because I can narrate the story the way I want to. I don't want to be treated different, just equal. I don't care about bisexuality, if the game allows me to have options just like the straight counterpart, I'm happy. I only support "bisexuality" if I would end up being forced to stuck with just one romance while others have 2 or more. 

Sure I understand the exclusion. With me being a straight male, I had 2 romance options in DA2. One was Merrill, and the other was Isabela. Now since I don`t really fancy the idea of romancing a 12 year old girl, I was left with Isabela. So in my case, I had just 1 option in DA2. And thats no biggie, since I have played rpgs since the late 80s, and romances in games is pretty much a new thing.

[Battlebloodmage]

Rawgrim wrote...


Sure I understand the exclusion. With me being a straight male, I had 2 romance options in DA2. One was Merrill, and the other was Isabela. Now since I don`t really fancy the idea of romancing a 12 year old girl, I was left with Isabela. So in my case, I had just 1 option in DA2. And thats no biggie, since I have played rpgs since the late 80s, and romances in games is pretty much a new thing.

That's exactly it, you have options, if Isabela is the only choice for you, it wouldn't be an option at all. Romance in the games have been in so many games, but it's usually between heterosexual. The difference is you usually force to romance the leading girl while playing as the protagonist, subtle or not. Final Fantasy would have at least one in each game, Chrono Trigger, Harvest Moon, Resident Evil, Suikoden, Fire Emblem, etc. If I have options, I don't care if everyone is bisexuals or straight or whatever.

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 14 février 2013 - 07:17 .

[Rawgrim]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...


Sure I understand the exclusion. With me being a straight male, I had 2 romance options in DA2. One was Merrill, and the other was Isabela. Now since I don`t really fancy the idea of romancing a 12 year old girl, I was left with Isabela. So in my case, I had just 1 option in DA2. And thats no biggie, since I have played rpgs since the late 80s, and romances in games is pretty much a new thing.

That's exactly it, you have options, if Isabela is the only choice for you, it wouldn't be an option at all. Romance in the games have been in so many games, but it's usually between heterosexual. The difference is you usually force to romance the leading girl while playing as the protagonist, subtle or not. Final Fantasy would have at least one in each game, Chrono Trigger, Harvest Moon, Resident Evil, Suikoden, Fire Emblem, etc. If I have options, I don't care if everyone is bisexuals or straight or whatever.

Thats the thing. i had only 1 real option, because I don`t want to romance a 12 year old. Bisexuals had 4 options in the game. Straight ones had 2. In my case, i had no option but isabela. So thats pretty much the same as what a homosexual male would have in DA:O. Zevran, or nobody.

[Battlebloodmage]

Yes, but you have the luxury to dislike the options ingame. With Zevran, you don't like him? You're out of luck. If the next game presents me with more options, I don't care about who get what. I don't mind DAO approach if there are 2 gays, 2 straights, and 2 bisexuals. All would have options to choose from. Bisexual players would always have more options to choose from, regardless of what restriction is there.

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 14 février 2013 - 07:28 .

[SgtElias]

Rawgrim wrote...

Thats the thing. i had only 1 real option, because I don`t want to romance a 12 year old.

I think that's the point Battlebloodmage is trying to make. Whether or not you wanted to romance Merrill, there were still two options for you; and because Merrill creeped you out, you could romance Isabela. While in Origins, for instance, a woman that was creeped out by Leliana had no other option. There wasn't a fall-back plan, like with you and Isabela. That was it.

Yes, as a bisexual female, I did have four options. I won't lie and say I didn't enjoy having everyone open to my character. But I'm not sure what can be done about it, while still keeping things fair (2 love interests each) for gay and straight players. So that when you, or anyone, comes across a love interest that they just can't stand, there's a second option.

[karushna5]

I think what he is trying to say Rawgrim, is you had two options, but you didn't like one, thankfully you had Isabela as an option instead. If Merrill was the only Female character you could romance than you wouldn't have had anyone, thankfully there were two options, Merrill and Isabela and you got to pick the one you liked more.

As comparison many people who liked the same sex only had the option of Leliana or Zevran. Who many did not like. If you do not like an option at least it is nice to have a second one you can choose, not just Merrill, but Merrill and Isabela.

[wright1978]

draken-heart wrote...

I will re-ask the question here:

How would you all feel about adding S/S NPC romance options? whether that be in addition to party ones or not, it does not matter.

If you think it is a good idea, say so and state your reason why. If you do not, say so and state your reason why not.

I'd prefer if the LI remained herosexual(BI) reflective of the playthrough personally as it seems the best resource to content & choice solution. I'd accept the 2 hetro, 2 bi, 2 S/S companions as long as this increase in LI was matched by an increase in the resources devoted to the romance content to match the increase in LI's.

[Rawgrim]

karushna5 wrote...

I think what he is trying to say Rawgrim, is you had two options, but you didn't like one, thankfully you had Isabela as an option instead. If Merrill was the only Female character you could romance than you wouldn't have had anyone, thankfully there were two options, Merrill and Isabela and you got to pick the one you liked more.

As comparison many people who liked the same sex only had the option of Leliana or Zevran. Who many did not like. If you do not like an option at least it is nice to have a second one you can choose, not just Merrill, but Merrill and Isabela.

Ohh i get what he is saying. Its not that. Its just that i felt like one of my "options" left me feeling like I was about to commit a fellony by having sex with a minor. And thats not an option (for me). So in effect I had 1 take it or leave it romance.

[Battlebloodmage]

I just remember how annoyed Gaider was when people compared Merrill romance to pedophilia, hah. I guess you just have different taste than others because people find Merrill's naivety to be endearing. I couldn't romance her because I find her to be like a little sister to me. It's all good that if one LI annoys you, there is still another one. Hopefully, it's gonna be like that with the next game where people have at least 2 options, bisexuality or not, so they don't have to be stuck in a romance with characters they don't like.

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 14 février 2013 - 09:19 .

[Renmiri1]

Merril may be a bit airheaded but she is a bloodmage and can wipe the floor with anyone who attacks the party.

She reminds me of Phoebe from Friends, not a child, an adult but with child like talk sometimes

Modifié par Renmiri1, 14 février 2013 - 09:11 .