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[BouncyFrag]

Volus Warlord wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Nashimura wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

One serious transgender character already exists in the DA universe (you'll see soon enough).

My bet is on Duncan.

I'd lay money on Cailan.

My bet is on Isabella.

Edit: 

Merrill?

Modifié par David Gaider, 13 février 2013 - 09:32 .

[Nashimura]

BouncyFrag wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Nashimura wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

One serious transgender character already exists in the DA universe (you'll see soon enough).

My bet is on Duncan.

I'd lay money on Cailan.

My bet is on Isabella.

Edit: 

Merrill?

Wow 

That is awesome. 

Modifié par David Gaider, 13 février 2013 - 09:32 .

[syllogi]

Merchant2006 wrote...

I don't know if I should laugh or cry right now. Is it going to be a bannable offense if your not a fan of homosexuality or transgenderismality or whatever it is that people call it.

I honestly don't know how the mods and developers feel about the word, but if you get banned or warned, have fun with that. Anyhow, here's a FAQ that explains more about words that are offensive to transgender people: http://www.glaad.org/transgender

[Nazomi]

David Gaider wrote...

One serious transgender character already exists in the DA universe (you'll see soon enough).

So is the implication there that it's a character most of us already know and have seen in the previous games? Gotta be
Aveline. Could be the real reason she never had kids with Wesley

Modifié par David Gaider, 13 février 2013 - 09:30 .

[Volus Warlord]

This is not going anywhere good.

[Knight of Dane]

Parmida wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Nashimura wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

One serious transgender character already exists in the DA universe (you'll see soon enough).

My bet is on Duncan.

I'd lay money on Cailan.

My bet is on Isabella.

Edit: 

Arishok? no? jus' me? ..ok...

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Varric..?

Modifié par David Gaider, 13 février 2013 - 09:33 .

[Lenimph]

Atomic pepper wrote...

Damn this "There is already a Transgender character in DA" thing will keep me awake forever now D:




*Pulls hair* GAAAAAAAIDEEEEER! DX

Shh calm down. I will be shocked if he wasn't talking about Serendipity. 

[Rawgrim]

I bet its Fenris. He certainly looks the part.

[Nazomi]

I hope he wasn't talking about Serendipity. If that qualifies as a "serious" trans character then I'm a bit worried. I felt Serendipity was very much used as a joke.

[JimboGee]

I will state right now Mr Gaider if there is a Trans -Anything in the next DA game Or ANY DA game for that matter you will never see another penny from me good sir..

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 13 février 2013 - 10:18 .

[LPPrince]

^My face right now, ohohoho

I'll let someone else get on that

[Sir George Parr]

I doubt he's talking about Serendipity."Serious" seems to imply someone who has had a more substantial role in one or both of the games. So i will just wait and see what comes of it.

[LPPrince]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Nazomi wrote...

I hope he wasn't talking about Serendipity. If that qualifies as a "serious" trans character then I'm a bit worried. I felt Serendipity was very much used as a joke.

It never struck me as being intended as a joke. I may or may not have found it amusing, but it didn't appear to be intended.

I thought Serendipity was put in as a gag character. Dunno if she was supposed to be but thats how I perceived it.

So I'm just gonna assume Gaider's talking about someone else. Which is kinda cool, actually.

[Sutekh]

Nazomi wrote...

I hope he wasn't talking about Serendipity. If that qualifies as a "serious" trans character then I'm a bit worried. I felt Serendipity was very much used as a joke.

I never saw her as a joke, but she's very secondary, so I doubt she's the "serious character" he's talking about.

Or maybe she'll have a very important role in DA:I?

[Zjarcal]

David Gaider wrote...

One serious transgender character already exists in the DA universe (you'll see soon enough).

As for a companion character, I wouldn't be opposed... so long as the point of the character wasn't just to be transgender. Certainly there are lots of interesting stories that could be done with a character like that. My only concern with including that would be uprooting all the ugliness that would come with it. Not that this is a reason to avoid it, necessarily, but I certainly wouldn't approach the complexity with anything less than trepidation. My faith in humanity only goes so far, after all.

I'm glad to hear you aren't going to avoid it just for fear of the ruckus it will cause, screw anyone who isn't open minded enough to accept that stuff in games.

That being said, it's gonna be yet another reason to avoid the forums altogether.

P.S.: There is no such thing as having faith in humanity.

[Zered]

Im pretty sure this topic won't go in the direction the OP wanted.

[New Display Name]

One thing I'd wonder about is how they're going to let the players know that a character is trans.

If a person is trying to pass as a gender, they wouldn't necessarily tell people that they are trans. Would it be a romance only thing? Would the player find out without speaking to the person in person?

I'm a tad wary of when transgender characters are put in games (and etc, though to a somewhat less extent) so far because they are usually one or more of the following:
1. Sex worker. There's nothing wrong with prostitution, or being a sex worker. But transgenderism/etc is NOT about prostitution or just sex.
2. Comic relief, parody, or otherwise a character to laugh at. The struggles that trans people have is played up for laughs.
3. A stereotype. While there's nothing wrong with a trans person sharing attributes with popular stereotypes, that doesn't mean it's wise to always have transgender characters adhere to them, especially when there are so many negative stereotypes.
4. Evil, criminal, villainous, unethical, or something to that effect. This is the other things in the list are common among crossdressing characters to. If they go against gender stereotypes, there's a good chance that a character is going to be evil or something.
5. Miserable, unstable, or "insane." This associates transgenderism is a negative state of mind.

I'd challenge someone to bring up a list (or more than just a few) of trans characters (or even just regularly crossdressing characters) in popular media who aren't one or more of these.

With David Gaider posting in the thread as he did, I feel better about the prospect (for Bioware games), though.

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 13 février 2013 - 10:18 .

[Fast Jimmy]

David Gaider wrote...

One serious transgender character already exists in the DA universe (you'll see soon enough).

As for a companion character, I wouldn't be opposed... so long as the point of the character wasn't just to be transgender. Certainly there are lots of interesting stories that could be done with a character like that. My only concern with including that would be uprooting all the ugliness that would come with it. Not that this is a reason to avoid it, necessarily, but I certainly wouldn't approach the complexity with anything less than trepidation. My faith in humanity only goes so far, after all.

Yes, but can we get a NON-SERIOUS transgender character? Nothing like some tranny comedic relief.

[Yendor_Trawz]

Shale's story almost went there. Well, female to rock with male voice.

[Fast Jimmy]

JimboGee wrote...

I will state right now Mr Gaider if there is a Trans -Anything in the next DA game Or ANY DA game for that matter you will never see another penny from me good sir..

Not even a DA Transformer?

Optimus Prime: Pro-Mage or Pro-Templar? 

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 13 février 2013 - 10:18 .

[New Display Name]

Yendor_Trawz wrote...

Shale's story almost went there. Well, female to rock with male voice.

Really? Sounded more like a feminine husky voice to me.

[Dhiro]

Edit: Rule 6.

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 13 février 2013 - 10:17 .

[riverbanks]

David Gaider wrote...

One serious transgender character already exists in the DA universe (you'll see soon enough).

But this is the BEST news to come out of all the DA:I teasing so far. Thank you David, you've just made the day of you don't even know how many fans. 

Not taking bets on who this character will be because there's nothing to go yet, but I'd even be happy for a return of Serendipity in a more serious role. She could've been played more tactfully in DA2, but that little thing with seneschal Bran taking her all the way to Orlais as his date planted a little seed of potential for such a good story there in my head.

Again thank you so much for this bit of info, I'm really looking forward to this.

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 13 février 2013 - 10:19 .