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[Laforgus]

Cerbrus operative wrote...

I am trying to find at least one reason on why the reapers took The Citadel to Earth of all places in the galaxy but I can't. it's completely contrived. Why didn't they take it to Thessia for example?, it was closer to The Citadel space and fully taken by the reapers?

Reason

Modifié par Laforgus, 15 février 2013 - 08:45 .

[humes spork]

Atekimagus wrote...

So? They also use humans for 08/15 husks, again nothing special.

Yes, and the fact they are, and other species are being used as Reaper ground forces, contextually explains those individuals are not "just" being killed, but harvested and used for purposes other than simply creating Sovereign-class ships.

Which is the question you're seeking from the onset to have answered, is it not? What happens to "everyone else"?

The point of the human reaper was never stated, we can only draw the logical conclusion that he was their failsafe in case sovereign screws up. Now humans fitted their needs best at the moment, but to draw the conclusion that we are something "special".........well, I am certain you could view it that way.....but then you also could not.

Yes, and as of the end of ME2, that was a perfectly reasonable and seemingly-safe assumption. The problem with assumption is that one must be prepared for the possibility it can turn out to be wrong.

Would be interesting as to how they would arrive at that conclusion. Now I played no DLCs for ME3, so WERE there even other advanced species in the last cycle? Seems the only one "worthy" of destruction were the protheans in the first place.

That's not something that's actively answered in the context of the game's narrative, no. We can only make assumptions about that based on what information is presented, which is very little.

Of course. It's just imho the evidence points more towards the reapers harvesting everyone and preserving them in reaper form, with humans nothing special.

They do. The difference is whether they're turned into a capital ship or destroyer. Either way, they're still Reapers.

Well it makes certainly sense if we assume they actually "need" the citadel as sort of reaper-space-dock, which we don't really know. The ingame reasons for that move are just that they want to prevent us using the crucible with it, nothing more.

Honestly, I like the idea of the citadel being a reaper-spacedock, it makes far more sense than the ingame-reason we got.

There needn't be only one reason for doing something. The Reapers, as are any other characters, are capable of killing multiple birds with one stone. Take the Citadel as a mass relay, for example. It (nominally) kills two birds with one stone: it's a fast and easy point of entry from dark space, and it also allows the Reapers to cripple organic civilization in one decisive blow.

That it's a Reaper "spacedock" doesn't preclude it from being moved to Earth for safety reasons, nor vice versa. It just means, perhaps, they were going to move it anyway but the Crucible's preparation forced them to revise their schedule.

[Maxster_]

Nero Narmeril wrote...

Because 'Take back Earth' campaign.

[Maxster_]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Go play the game again.....and "listen"



It's made perfectly clear why the Citadel is brought to Earth.

I did listen and I still think it's ludicrous.

That a section of space conquered in the opening weeks of the war, firmly in the control of the Reapers, and deep within the strongest-held areas of Reaper-occupied space would be a useful place to move the high-value station... especially since said high-value station could be used to finish the ascension of a target species located at the same place?

As if there any difference between defending one region of space or another.

[Maxster_]

Ithurael wrote...

Why didn't they just take the citadel at the onset of ME3? and shut down the relay network.

If I enable headcanon mode I would say it is because the alliance fleet is engaging Cerberus HQ making the citadel an easy target? But then again...the reapers are extremely powerful and could have easily just smashed through any citadel defense force.

What good did build up the Citadel Defense Force even do? And how do they even play a part in how the crucible fires?

And that implies that Cerberus fleet rivals entire Council fleet and Systems Alliance fleet simultaneously.
Which in turn makes ME3 even more nonsensical.
And given how easily reapers crushed every fleet when they spreaded their forces to attack everyone simultaneously - this makes even less sense.
There is no reason why they didn't took Citadel right after their arrival, there is no reason to move Citadel to Earth, other than imply that it is somehow used in creation of the reapers, and there is no reason for them not to turn off relay network.
It just happened. Because.

[L_B_123]

Atekimagus wrote...

L_B_123 wrote...

Te protheon flashback showed collectors, does that mean protheons weren't made into reapers? Humans never became a reaper pawn like brutes etc

Husks?

 I suppose husks are a reaper pawn like the collectors but aren't they ones that once reapers leave simply die out. I may be wrong there- they don't seem to be a huge number like collectors though. Thanks though, answered a question I've always had for the series

[Haargel]

Haven't read all the comments but probably to protect it because the Reapers were focusing on the human race to harvest for the next Reaper, the bulk of there force are near Earth so it would be a logical choice.

[Atekimagus]

L_B_123 wrote...

Atekimagus wrote...

L_B_123 wrote...

Te protheon flashback showed collectors, does that mean protheons weren't made into reapers? Humans never became a reaper pawn like brutes etc

Husks?

 I suppose husks are a reaper pawn like the collectors but aren't they ones that once reapers leave simply die out. I may be wrong there- they don't seem to be a huge number like collectors though. Thanks though, answered a question I've always had for the series

Depends,...if you say "humans never became a reaper pawn like brutes" you are wrong, since the equivalent would be husks afaik, which are left to die out, that is correct.

If you compare them to collectors.......who knows what the human equivalent would be......who knows why they did that to the collectors in the first place?

The creation and use of the collectors is still imho a mystery.....never was explained WHY they felt the need suddenly to leave some altered protheans behind last cycle.

However, if they choose to replace the collectors my bet would be that the "new" collectors would have been the geth. Easier to control, no messy "evolution" screwing things up like with the keepers....far more reliable.

[nos_astra]

simfamSP wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

I like standing corrected. So now, why did the Reapers move the Citadel to Earth? If it was just to defend it, they did a really bad job.

I wouldn't say 'defend it' more like using it to harvest Earth. One thing is a few hundred colonies, but this is Earth, there are billions down there, so you need larger hardware, ergo, the beam of utter stupidity.

They harvested other worlds just fine without moving the Citadel there.

At what point was it even established that in order to harvest Earth and create a new Reaper capital ship they needed the Citadel close? And why now? After having been ignored for most of the game (weeks or months of in-universe) the Reapers suddenly take the Citadel and move it to Earth. 

[Nykara]

What I don't understand is why the reapers started off attacking human colonies in the first place. It all starts with Eden Prime and other human colonies. Wouldn't it have made more sense to at least take out one of the races that actually had ships noteworthy of paying attention to over human's?

[Jonata]

Earth was the second planet to fall after the annihilation of the Batarian Space, hence the closer plaent with heavy Reaper presence. Resistance on Earth was also going rogue and under the radars so it is possible that the Reapers didn't even though that Anderson's forces could be able to pull off a retaliation or open the way for a huge comeback strike as it happened in Priority: Earth.

I'd love to be able to see into Harbinger thoughs when he saw a Galaxy coming back at him.

[Artifex_Imperius]

I think reapers moved the citadel to earth because humans posed the least threat among the races that could threaten the harvest. canon states that human military is only 3% of total human population. compared to thessia with a pop. full of adept biotics and turians having a gun in every household, earth makes a good places to start building armies of husks.

[Atekimagus]

Nykara wrote...

What I don't understand is why the reapers started off attacking human colonies in the first place. It all starts with Eden Prime and other human colonies. Wouldn't it have made more sense to at least take out one of the races that actually had ships noteworthy of paying attention to over human's?

That actually makes sense since they were not able to use the citadel relay they were forced to travel via conventional means and earth happened to be the next target in their invasion route.

So it had nothing to do with earth being special or dangerous, they were just the next on the list. Of course this does not explain how or why they hijacked the citadel and brought it to earth.

We have to accept the ingame reason that they moved it there to protect it better.........sense, it does make not however. It would be a sensible decision if it happened at the very beginning of the game, at the point it happened however, earth was pretty much a non-threat, reaper-forces were already spreading through the galaxy and attacking other major civilization centers (arguably much more important planets at that) and they were even somehow able to hijack the citadel, despite it probably being the most heavily guarded target in the galaxy......(altough that is open to discussion, considering the cerberus attack).

I think the whole move is incredibly lazy. They needed the citadel near earth for their big ending showdown, but didn't even bother to come up with a plausible reason how and why it was moved. Incredibly lazy and for me, the point were this - up to this point - brilliant game went downhill.

[Nykara]

Atekimagus wrote...

Nykara wrote...

What I don't understand is why the reapers started off attacking human colonies in the first place. It all starts with Eden Prime and other human colonies. Wouldn't it have made more sense to at least take out one of the races that actually had ships noteworthy of paying attention to over human's?

That actually makes sense since they were not able to use the citadel relay they were forced to travel via conventional means and earth happened to be the next target in their invasion route.

So it had nothing to do with earth being special or dangerous, they were just the next on the list. Of course this does not explain how or why they hijacked the citadel and brought it to earth.

We have to accept the ingame reason that they moved it there to protect it better.........sense, it does make not however. It would be a sensible decision if it happened at the very beginning of the game, at the point it happened however, earth was pretty much a non-threat, reaper-forces were already spreading through the galaxy and attacking other major civilization centers (arguably much more important planets at that) and they were even somehow able to hijack the citadel, despite it probably being the most heavily guarded target in the galaxy......(altough that is open to discussion, considering the cerberus attack).

I think the whole move is incredibly lazy. They needed the citadel near earth for their big ending showdown, but didn't even bother to come up with a plausible reason how and why it was moved. Incredibly lazy and for me, the point were this - up to this point - brilliant game went downhill.

I'm talking about way back at the start. I get Eden Prime - because of the Prothean Beacon that was located there that Seran wanted or needed. However wasn't one of the first colonies to fall vicitim to the swarms also a human colony? It's pretty well been one attack on human's after another, which kind of makes it appear as if the Reapers where in fact focused on humanity - which makes no sense when plenty of other species had far more advancements then human's did.

[nos_astra]

Jonata wrote...

Earth was the second planet to fall after the annihilation of the Batarian Space, hence the closer plaent with heavy Reaper presence. Resistance on Earth was also going rogue and under the radars so it is possible that the Reapers didn't even though that Anderson's forces could be able to pull off a retaliation or open the way for a huge comeback strike as it happened in Priority: Earth.

I'd love to be able to see into Harbinger thoughs when he saw a Galaxy coming back at him.

Every time someone takes anything in ME this seriously an angel dies.

[nos_astra]

Atekimagus wrote...
That actually makes sense since they were not able to use the citadel relay they were forced to travel via conventional means and earth happened to be the next target in their invasion route.

I hate to break it to you but space is just mindbogglingly huge and 3-dimensional and there is no such thing as the next target on their invasion route. 

The Reapers could probably fly straight to to the Citadel's home nebula and not meet anyone on the way because the distances are THAT freakin' huge.

Modifié par klarabella, 16 février 2013 - 04:53 .

[Mastone]

Why take the citadel at all, is a better question, I never heard Javik say that the reapers used to drag the citadel around also for what reason, as far as i can recall ( haven't played ME anymore since that crap ending)reapers have enough stopping power and also a nice refuge in dark space so they could take the citadel away there, wipe out puny organics, bring back citadel...done

[AlienSpaceBats]

Trying to make sense of this nonsense will literally break your brain.

[Atekimagus]

klarabella wrote...
I hate to break it to you but space is just mindbogglingly huge and 3-dimensional and there is no such thing as the next target on their invasion route. 

The Reapers could probably fly straight to to the Citadel's home nebula and not meet anyone on the way because the distances are THAT freakin' huge.

Wait....what? What has 3 dimensional space to do with anything? What have huge distances to do with anything?

So you are saying it was poor coincidence that we send appollo 13 to the moon and not pluto because according to your logic those distances are so mindbogglingly huge and 3-dimensional that there is no such thing as a next target?

Well colour me suprised. So, i hate to break it to you, but considering their starting point in this galaxy - mindboogling distances and 3dimensional space notwithstanding - we are lead to believe that earth indeed is the next big target on their list.

But ignore the distance, just view it from a military point of view. It is generelly not considered a wise move to leave an enemy behind you able to strike at your back, so for them steamrolling everything on their way to the citadel makes sense.

(Well it doesn't if we assume that they didn't forgot about shutting down the relays but then - as you yourself said - it's probably best not to think to hard about it since clearly those parts were written without common sense, military understanding and knowledge of the "the story so far....")

[Jadebaby]

Pretty sure they did it so BioWare were able to wrap things up easier.

Yes, the Reapers and BioWare go wayyyy back.

[Sc2mashimaro]

GHNR wrote...

I would say probably to pool together all the harvested humans to create another Human-Reaper. As Vendetta says, Earth's Harvest is about to finish.

That's probably the explaination for that, it's the other questions that bother me.

What I can't wrap my head around is that the Citadel can move. And very fast, apparently. Through mass relays. But it is a mass relay. Maybe it can turn off so it doesn't co-activate?

Also, when do the Reapers get to the Citadel to move it? Or is it not a Reaper physically attaching to the Citadel.

So Cerberus attacks the Citadel (it was never about Udina then?) to get a guy inside the Citadel who can activate the drives and move it to...Earth...because he's indoctrinated? That's the best I can come up with for how it happened without anyone realizing.

Then, once they have the Citadel, why don't they shut the relays down? Or do they choose not to because the Reapers think they are setting a trap? Or....? I can't think of anything else that's plausible here.

[pmac_tk421]

Because they had the area pretty secure, and they wanted to use it to build a new reaper, so why not bring it to the main human processing site to ease transportation.

[BansheeOwnage]

Cerbrus operative wrote...

I am trying to find at least one reason on why the reapers took The Citadel to Earth of all places in the galaxy but I can't. it's completely contrived. Why didn't they take it to Thessia for example?, it was closer to The Citadel space and fully taken by the reapers?

Seemed pretty simple to me. The Reapers are harvesting humanity. Logically, they would have the most capital ships near Earth = best defence. As well, the Reapers likely knew of the galaxy's plan to attack in force at Earth, so it's just good preparation.

[dorktainian]

i got a funny feeling they are protecting it. move it to a place where no one in their right minds would attack it. Blow the citadel to kingdom come and take starjar with it. you know it makes sense.