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[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

Dreman, tell me, where did you learn to hold actual, legitimate discussions wih people? Because I recommend you get a refund.

The gunship appears 3 times in the entire fight. That is, by definition, sporadic involvement.

Shepard FIGHTS like any other soldier. FIGHTS. Reading before replying usually helps. You'll also notice that literally every single time Shepard RTS into a crazy fight, he or she is backed by 2 squadmates, comprised of some of the deadliest people in the galaxy. It isn't like Shepard is some magical end-all button.

Tell me,in what ways could Cerberus possibly "hold Shepard back"?

1. You don't think the gunship isnot going to be afactor in that fight? Itmatter not how many time it shows up...It's still is a factor.

2.Right,the soldier that can fightkrogan face to face who is imbeated with  a massive ammout of cybernetic implants and taken a thressermaw on foot fightslike every solder.

3.The last fight in Thessia show how.  Added, it hold back asin slow down....Not stop. Slowing down Shepard is very possible.

[Indy_S]

dreman9999 wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

I addressed the Crucible specifically. Between it and Thessia, I still wasn't attached to the scene.

It has nothing to do with you being attached. It's about a way to fight ageinstthe reapers. With out it, how would you take down the reapers?

...? Nothing to do with me being attached? This whole thread is about a discrepancy between what the character feels and what the player feels. Highlighting the discrepancy in this scene is a perfectly valid example.

[fainmaca]

dreman9999 wrote...
It has nothing to do with you being attached. It's about a way to fight ageinstthe reapers. With out it, how would you take down the reapers?

With all due respect, dreman, it has everything to do with being attached. This thread is talking about Bioware trying to draw emotions from the players. If we are not attached, there will be no emotions to draw out. If we're not attached to elements of the scene, we won't get upset or elated over it.

[adayaday]

dreman9999 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Dreman, you're missing the point that not every Shepard would flip their upset switch just because of Thessia.

I never said that every Shepard needs to be upset about thef all of Thessia. I said at the very least they would be upset over loosing the one final peice need to defeat the reapers, which slip through Shepards hands in that mission.

I belive he is refering to the apologetic side of Shepard after Thessia,where some players would have prefered shouting at Tavus just for the sake of venting,thanks to autodialog it is not possible.

Also expressing sadness can change from one person to another,where one person might cry another may just start fliping desks around,Shepard is limited to only one.

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

1. You don't think the gunship isnot going to be afactor in that fight? Itmatter not how many time it shows up...It's still is a factor.

2.Right,the soldier that can fightkrogan face to face who is imbeated with  a massive ammout of cybernetic implants and taken a thressermaw on foot fightslike every solder.

3.The last fight in Thessia show how.  Added, it hold back asin slow down....Not stop. Slowing down Shepard is very possible.

No, a gunship that appears only 3 times in the entire battle is not a factor.

Right, because having Biotics all but makes Shepard's physical strength irrelevant. Shepard's fight with a thresher maw isn't a personal tally for Shepard, it's a squad accomplishment.

The fight in Thessia doesn't show anything other than Kai Leng being a terrible fighter who relies on cutscenes to win. In what way did he "slow down" Shepard?

[Indy_S]

o Ventus wrote...
The fight in Thessia doesn't show anything other than Kai Leng being a terrible fighter who relies on cutscenes to win. In what way did he "slow down" Shepard?

He slowed Shepard down with the first ten seconds of this. Seriously, I love that clip. It's so stupid.

[o Ventus]

Indy_S wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
The fight in Thessia doesn't show anything other than Kai Leng being a terrible fighter who relies on cutscenes to win. In what way did he "slow down" Shepard?

He slowed Shepard down with the first ten seconds of this. Seriously, I love that clip. It's so stupid.

Right. I forgot Leng had the hand of God.

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. You don't think the gunship isnot going to be afactor in that fight? Itmatter not how many time it shows up...It's still is a factor.

2.Right,the soldier that can fightkrogan face to face who is imbeated with  a massive ammout of cybernetic implants and taken a thressermaw on foot fightslike every solder.

3.The last fight in Thessia show how.  Added, it hold back asin slow down....Not stop. Slowing down Shepard is very possible.

No, a gunship that appears only 3 times in the entire battle is not a factor.

Right, because having Biotics all but makes Shepard's physical strength irrelevant. Shepard's fight with a thresher maw isn't a personal tally for Shepard, it's a squad accomplishment.

The fight in Thessia doesn't show anything other than Kai Leng being a terrible fighter who relies on cutscenes to win. In what way did he "slow down" Shepard?

1. Explain to me why a gunship is not a factor if it's only shown 3 time? Is there some rule that say it has to show up more then 3 time for it to be used th blow the structure or some thing?
Really, why is it not a factor?

2.Which squad mate make that mission easy mode? Added the majority of the damge on tothe maw is via Shepard.

3. Fuuny. I remeber him using that gunship you think is not a factor to in that fight. Having no gound to stand on clearly is slowing someone  down.

[Indy_S]

o Ventus wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

He slowed Shepard down with the first ten seconds of this. Seriously, I love that clip. It's so stupid.

Right. I forgot Leng had the hand of God.

More like the backhand of God.

[GreyLycanTrope]

goose2989 wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

More like the "tried very hard to be sad hammer" we keep getting told how sad and depressing the setting is but it only felt that way on occasion, to me anyways.

Case and point Thessia.

I feel this is a mostly accurate summarization, but not quite how I'd put it. I thought the game had a lot of genuinely emotional and sad scenes; Rannoch, Tuchanka, Earth, and so many others were great. Moments like this arose in the story naturally, because they involved characters we came to know and love. Most of these scenes involved characters that were also universally loved, rather than ones that leave fans divided. 

But so much of it was also ham-fisted and brought into the story artificially. Like many others, I feel like Thessia was a blatant attempt to elicit sad emotions, when it didn't bring them into the story naturally. The lines I keep seeing like "This is Thessia... this is Thessia burning... now be sad!" sum it up well. 

Despite this, I think the game did a good job of bringing out the player's emotions; it just wasn't great. 

Well like I said in my post it's just my perspective, I guess I should also explain that I draw distinction between emotional and sad scene so I don't necissarily lump every moment like Tuchanka(which has a more uplifting overtone I feel) into the same catergory as say hearing about Joker's sister. Hence I count less of them.

Also @dreman what have you done this thread? You're honestly arguing with people about how it felt? Really? It's purly subjective, each of of us will react differently. As should our Shepards.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 14 février 2013 - 04:10 .

[KBomb]

dreman9999 wrote...

Right because when Mordin died the last peice need to end the war slipped throught Shepard hands?

Right, that did not happen. You missing the fact here that the case with the after math with Mordins Death or when Shepard was feeling upset there was not an impending knowing of doom hanging over Shepard head.

Shepard at a moment having a way to fight back ageint the reapers. Why would he/she not feel upset?

 
Your are projecting your Shepard's reactions into what every "Shepard" should be feeling.

My Shepard would have been devastated over the loss of Mordin and would have felt like telling Joker it wasn't the time to be funny. Whereas she would have seen Joker cracking about Thessia being taken as "It's going to be okay, take a breath and regroup."

Some other "Shepards" feel the same, some feel like you, some feel completely different. Which is the point. You're stuck in the response of, "How dare you make a joke like this when we lost Thessia!" or "How dare you make a joke at a time like this!" Nothing in between. Either way, your Shepard is taking Thessia harder than anything thus far, which is perhaps the way Bioware planned it because they thought everyone would feel like you--but they don't

There were many times like that in the game. If you romanced Thane, you leave him there like it's no big deal, back to business. Shepard dreams about the little boy as symbolism for fear, guilt, loss--when most people don't seem to care about him, so that symbolism is lost. Just like the reason for Shepard's feelings over Thessia. It is suppose to represent Shepard's sense of failure, instead it feels as though we are suppose to be devastated because of something else. Which doesn't represent how a lot of people wanted to feel.

Modifié par KBomb, 14 février 2013 - 04:10 .

[adayaday]

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. You don't think the gunship isnot going to be afactor in that fight? Itmatter not how many time it shows up...It's still is a factor.

2.Right,the soldier that can fightkrogan face to face who is imbeated with  a massive ammout of cybernetic implants and taken a thressermaw on foot fightslike every solder.

3.The last fight in Thessia show how.  Added, it hold back asin slow down....Not stop. Slowing down Shepard is very possible.

No, a gunship that appears only 3 times in the entire battle is not a factor.

Right, because having Biotics all but makes Shepard's physical strength irrelevant. Shepard's fight with a thresher maw isn't a personal tally for Shepard, it's a squad accomplishment.

The fight in Thessia doesn't show anything other than Kai Leng being a terrible fighter who relies on cutscenes to win. In what way did he "slow down" Shepard?

1. Explain to me why a gunship is not a factor if it's only shown 3 time? Is there some rule that say it has to show up more then 3 time for it to be used th blow the structure or some thing?
Really, why is it not a factor?

2.Which squad mate make that mission easy mode? Added the majority of the damge on tothe maw is via Shepard.

3. Fuuny. I remeber him using that gunship you think is not a factor to in that fight. Having no gound to stand on clearly is slowing someone  down.

Kai leng is a case where the gameplay doesnt match the narrative,even on insanity Kai leng takes so much damage he spend on of the fight "recharging" and not actully fighting,so at least gameplay wise Kai leng is not a factor in this scenario.
Keep in mind that not even 5 minutes ago shepard fough two Harveters each one can be taken down by 3-4 Claymore shots....but the gun ship is invulnerable...even though Shepard took down two gunships in ME2....

Thanks to the game play the player feel cheated when it he/she is defeted via cutscene.

As for the topic itself the player is more likely furstrated rather then sad by the end of Thessia.

[dreman9999]

Greylycantrope wrote...

goose2989 wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

More like the "tried very hard to be sad hammer" we keep getting told how sad and depressing the setting is but it only felt that way on occasion, to me anyways.

Case and point Thessia.

I feel this is a mostly accurate summarization, but not quite how I'd put it. I thought the game had a lot of genuinely emotional and sad scenes; Rannoch, Tuchanka, Earth, and so many others were great. Moments like this arose in the story naturally, because they involved characters we came to know and love. Most of these scenes involved characters that were also universally loved, rather than ones that leave fans divided. 

But so much of it was also ham-fisted and brought into the story artificially. Like many others, I feel like Thessia was a blatant attempt to elicit sad emotions, when it didn't bring them into the story naturally. The lines I keep seeing like "This is Thessia... this is Thessia burning... now be sad!" sum it up well. 

Despite this, I think the game did a good job of bringing out the player's emotions; it just wasn't great. 

Also @dreman what have you done this thread? You're honestly arguing with people about how it felt? Really? It's purly subjective, each of of us will react differently. As should our Shepards.

No, All I said was moment like thessia does not have only one thing to be upset about. I'm saying it's just likekShepard being up set during the locker scene during thenormady lock out in ME1.

[GreyLycanTrope]

dreman9999 wrote...

No, All I said was moment like thessia does not have only one thing to be upset about. I'm saying it's just likekShepard being up set during the locker scene during thenormady lock out in ME1.

You're telling me my opinion is wrong quite blatantly here:

dreman9999 wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

More
like the "tried very hard to be sad hammer" we keep getting told how sad and depressing the setting is but it only felt that way on occasion, to me anyways.

Case and point Thessia.

It was not a "tried very hard" with people we know dieing left and right. Look a the citadel in the refuge hub and say"TRIED TO BE VERY SAD."

Also three mistakess,  on occasion doesn't mean one occasion, it means there are a few just not that many
Second I didn't think Thessia was sad, was using it as an example of  "tried to be sad".
Third everything else is matter of opinion I might not find people dying particualry sad in the same way you do.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 14 février 2013 - 04:29 .

[KBomb]

dreman9999 wrote...

No, All I said was moment like thessia does not have only one thing to be upset about. I'm saying it's just likekShepard being up set during the locker scene during thenormady lock out in ME1.

I agree with you about that, but the way it was presented sure was. A lot of people seen it as a ploy to make you feel sad about the loss of Thessia, when in fact it should have been about Shepard's frustration and defeat--not about poor Liara and poor Thessia and feels.

[dreman9999]

adayaday wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. You don't think the gunship isnot going to be afactor in that fight? Itmatter not how many time it shows up...It's still is a factor.

2.Right,the soldier that can fightkrogan face to face who is imbeated with  a massive ammout of cybernetic implants and taken a thressermaw on foot fightslike every solder.

3.The last fight in Thessia show how.  Added, it hold back asin slow down....Not stop. Slowing down Shepard is very possible.

No, a gunship that appears only 3 times in the entire battle is not a factor.

Right, because having Biotics all but makes Shepard's physical strength irrelevant. Shepard's fight with a thresher maw isn't a personal tally for Shepard, it's a squad accomplishment.

The fight in Thessia doesn't show anything other than Kai Leng being a terrible fighter who relies on cutscenes to win. In what way did he "slow down" Shepard?

1. Explain to me why a gunship is not a factor if it's only shown 3 time? Is there some rule that say it has to show up more then 3 time for it to be used th blow the structure or some thing?
Really, why is it not a factor?

2.Which squad mate make that mission easy mode? Added the majority of the damge on tothe maw is via Shepard.

3. Fuuny. I remeber him using that gunship you think is not a factor to in that fight. Having no gound to stand on clearly is slowing someone  down.

Kai leng is a case where the gameplay doesnt match the narrative,even on insanity Kai leng takes so much damage he spend on of the fight "recharging" and not actully fighting,so at least gameplay wise Kai leng is not a factor in this scenario.
Keep in mind that not even 5 minutes ago shepard fough two Harveters each one can be taken down by 3-4 Claymore shots....but the gun ship is invulnerable...even though Shepard took down two gunships in ME2....

Thanks to the game play the player feel cheated when it he/she is defeted via cutscene.

As for the topic itself the player is more likely furstrated rather then sad by the end of Thessia.

It more of the case they know how to use the gunship ageinst Shepard without him/her taking it out. In me2, TIM received many reports about Shepard mission,many of the mission in ME2 had Shepard face gun ships. If TIM gets report about these battles, you would not think he wound read over them and develop counter tactics ageinst Shepard based on said reports?

The harvesters were on the groundusing no tactic in ther attact. the Gunship, with it polit knowing full well how Shepard and take a gunship out kept it's distance and attacked when it was tactily sound.

Tim,after over seeing howShepardfoughtin ME2, just develop  a better counter measure to fight Shepard then random mercs in ME2.

[adayaday]

dreman9999 wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

goose2989 wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

More like the "tried very hard to be sad hammer" we keep getting told how sad and depressing the setting is but it only felt that way on occasion, to me anyways.

Case and point Thessia.

I feel this is a mostly accurate summarization, but not quite how I'd put it. I thought the game had a lot of genuinely emotional and sad scenes; Rannoch, Tuchanka, Earth, and so many others were great. Moments like this arose in the story naturally, because they involved characters we came to know and love. Most of these scenes involved characters that were also universally loved, rather than ones that leave fans divided. 

But so much of it was also ham-fisted and brought into the story artificially. Like many others, I feel like Thessia was a blatant attempt to elicit sad emotions, when it didn't bring them into the story naturally. The lines I keep seeing like "This is Thessia... this is Thessia burning... now be sad!" sum it up well. 

Despite this, I think the game did a good job of bringing out the player's emotions; it just wasn't great. 

Also @dreman what have you done this thread? You're honestly arguing with people about how it felt? Really? It's purly subjective, each of of us will react differently. As should our Shepards.

No, All I said was moment like thessia does not have only one thing to be upset about. I'm saying it's just likekShepard being up set during the locker scene during thenormady lock out in ME1.

The locker scene have quite a few veriations to it though,hopfull Shepard,deperssed Shepard,Shepard snapping at LI, hell he/she got the option to apologize for it afterwords.

[DeinonSlayer]

KBomb wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Right because when Mordin died the last peice need to end the war slipped throught Shepard hands?

Right, that did not happen. You missing the fact here that the case with the after math with Mordins Death or when Shepard was feeling upset there was not an impending knowing of doom hanging over Shepard head.

Shepard at a moment having a way to fight back ageint the reapers. Why would he/she not feel upset?

 
Your are projecting your Shepard's reactions into what every "Shepard" should be feeling.

My Shepard would have been devastated over the loss of Mordin and would have felt like telling Joker it wasn't the time to be funny. Whereas she would have seen Joker cracking about Thessia being taken as "It's going to be okay, take a breath and regroup."

Some other "Shepards" feel the same, some feel like you, some feel completely different. Which is the point. You're stuck in the response of, "How dare you make a joke like this when we lost Thessia!" or "How dare you make a joke at a time like this!" Nothing in between. Either way, your Shepard is taking Thessia harder than anything thus far, which is perhaps the way Bioware planned it because they thought everyone would feel like you--but they don't

There were many times like that in the game. If you romanced Thane, you leave him there like it's no big deal, back to business. Shepard dreams about the little boy as symbolism for fear, guilt, loss--when most people don't seem to care about him, so that symbolism is lost. Just like the reason for Shepard's feelings over Thessia. It is suppose to represent Shepard's sense of failure, instead it feels as though we are suppose to be devastated because of something else. Which doesn't represent how a lot of people wanted to feel.

At one point in the narrative, two times the population of New York City can die as a direct result of Shepard's decision not to inform them about Legion's upload, and the Geth's willingness to cease fire - two things they have no other way of knowing about. One of the options Shepard can choose in explaining why they died is because "they were stupid." The crew is mournful, but Shepard's reaction is... lackluster, to say the least. Alternately, Shepard can deny the Geth are alive and shoot Legion three times in the face, showing even less remorse about the act than Tali does.

This same Shepard can also murder Mordin and sabotage the Genophage cure, lie to everyone on the ship for most of the game about the former, lie to Wrex's face about the latter, and then lie to C-Sec when asked why Wrex tried to kill him.

And yet, Shepards of all stripes get emotional and blame themselves, not for the loss of the beacon, but for the fall of Thessia. That's basically the only genocide in the entire narrative that Shepard DOESN'T instigate.

[dreman9999]

KBomb wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

No, All I said was moment like thessia does not have only one thing to be upset about. I'm saying it's just likekShepard being up set during the locker scene during thenormady lock out in ME1.

I agree with you about that, but the way it was presented sure was. A lot of people seen it as a ploy to make you feel sad about the loss of Thessia, when in fact it should have been about Shepard's frustration and defeat--not about poor Liara and poor Thessia and feels.

They never defined what Shepard was upset about outside of failing.
Remeber that conversation Shepard had with Tali at the memorial wall. Nothing in that conversation was about people dieing on thessia.

[dreman9999]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

KBomb wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Right because when Mordin died the last peice need to end the war slipped throught Shepard hands?

Right, that did not happen. You missing the fact here that the case with the after math with Mordins Death or when Shepard was feeling upset there was not an impending knowing of doom hanging over Shepard head.

Shepard at a moment having a way to fight back ageint the reapers. Why would he/she not feel upset?

 
Your are projecting your Shepard's reactions into what every "Shepard" should be feeling.

My Shepard would have been devastated over the loss of Mordin and would have felt like telling Joker it wasn't the time to be funny. Whereas she would have seen Joker cracking about Thessia being taken as "It's going to be okay, take a breath and regroup."

Some other "Shepards" feel the same, some feel like you, some feel completely different. Which is the point. You're stuck in the response of, "How dare you make a joke like this when we lost Thessia!" or "How dare you make a joke at a time like this!" Nothing in between. Either way, your Shepard is taking Thessia harder than anything thus far, which is perhaps the way Bioware planned it because they thought everyone would feel like you--but they don't

There were many times like that in the game. If you romanced Thane, you leave him there like it's no big deal, back to business. Shepard dreams about the little boy as symbolism for fear, guilt, loss--when most people don't seem to care about him, so that symbolism is lost. Just like the reason for Shepard's feelings over Thessia. It is suppose to represent Shepard's sense of failure, instead it feels as though we are suppose to be devastated because of something else. Which doesn't represent how a lot of people wanted to feel.

At one point in the narrative, two times the population of New York City can die as a direct result of Shepard's decision not to inform them about Legion's upload, and the Geth's willingness to cease fire - two things they have no other way of knowing about. One of the options Shepard can choose in explaining why they died is because "they were stupid." The crew is mournful, but Shepard's reaction is... lackluster, to say the least. Alternately, Shepard can deny the Geth are alive and shoot Legion three times in the face, showing even less remorse about the act than Tali does.

This same Shepard can also murder Mordin and sabotage the Genophage cure, lie to everyone on the ship for most of the game about the former, lie to Wrex's face about the latter, and then lie to C-Sec when asked why Wrex tried to kill him.

And yet, Shepards of all stripes get emotional and blame themselves, not for the loss of the beacon, but for the fall of Thessia. That's basically the only genocide in the entire narrative that Shepard DOESN'T instigate.

There is nothing in the Thessia mission that forcesthe player to be upset over Thessia. The only thing theplayer os forced to be upset about is losing the beacon.

[GreyLycanTrope]

dreman9999 wrote...
They never defined what Shepard was upset about outside of failing.
Remeber that conversation Shepard had with Tali at the memorial wall. Nothing in that conversation was about people dieing on thessia.

It's more the fact that they forced Shep to be sad to begin with, it doesn't matter for what reason it was. I wasn't sad after Thessia, at all, didn't feel my Shep should be either.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 14 février 2013 - 04:27 .

[adayaday]

dreman9999 wrote...



It more of the case they know how to use the gunship ageinst Shepard without him/her taking it out. In me2, TIM received many reports about Shepard mission,many of the mission in ME2 had Shepard face gun ships. If TIM gets report about these battles, you would not think he wound read over them and develop counter tactics ageinst Shepard based on said reports?

The harvesters were on the groundusing no tactic in ther attact. the Gunship, with it polit knowing full well how Shepard and take a gunship out kept it's distance and attacked when it was tactily sound.

Tim,after over seeing howShepardfoughtin ME2, just develop  a better counter measure to fight Shepard then random mercs in ME2.

Head canon,Head canon and Head canon.
i was talking about how gameplay work with the narrative,nither gameplay mechnics or told story reflect your claim properly.
There was no mention of upgrades or prototypes or couter-measures to fight  Shepard,if there was any mention of it i would agree with you.

Modifié par adayaday, 14 février 2013 - 04:30 .

[KBomb]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

At one point in the narrative, two times the population of New York City can die as a direct result of Shepard's decision not to inform them about Legion's upload, and the Geth's willingness to cease fire - two things they have no other way of knowing about. One of the options Shepard can choose in explaining why they died is because "they were stupid." The crew is mournful, but Shepard's reaction is... lackluster, to say the least. Alternately, Shepard can deny the Geth are alive and shoot Legion three times in the face, showing even less remorse about the act than Tali does.

This same Shepard can also murder Mordin and sabotage the Genophage cure, lie to everyone on the ship for most of the game about the former, lie to Wrex's face about the latter, and then lie to C-Sec when asked why Wrex tried to kill him.

And yet, Shepards of all stripes get emotional and blame themselves, not for the loss of the beacon, but for the fall of Thessia. That's basically the only genocide in the entire narrative that Shepard DOESN'T instigate.

Preach it, brother.

[dreman9999]

adayaday wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

goose2989 wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

More like the "tried very hard to be sad hammer" we keep getting told how sad and depressing the setting is but it only felt that way on occasion, to me anyways.

Case and point Thessia.

I feel this is a mostly accurate summarization, but not quite how I'd put it. I thought the game had a lot of genuinely emotional and sad scenes; Rannoch, Tuchanka, Earth, and so many others were great. Moments like this arose in the story naturally, because they involved characters we came to know and love. Most of these scenes involved characters that were also universally loved, rather than ones that leave fans divided. 

But so much of it was also ham-fisted and brought into the story artificially. Like many others, I feel like Thessia was a blatant attempt to elicit sad emotions, when it didn't bring them into the story naturally. The lines I keep seeing like "This is Thessia... this is Thessia burning... now be sad!" sum it up well. 

Despite this, I think the game did a good job of bringing out the player's emotions; it just wasn't great. 

Also @dreman what have you done this thread? You're honestly arguing with people about how it felt? Really? It's purly subjective, each of of us will react differently. As should our Shepards.

No, All I said was moment like thessia does not have only one thing to be upset about. I'm saying it's just likekShepard being up set during the locker scene during thenormady lock out in ME1.

The locker scene have quite a few veriations to it though,hopfull Shepard,deperssed Shepard,Shepard snapping at LI, hell he/she got the option to apologize for it afterwords.

But he was still shown tobe upset. He was still shown to have a defined emotion. Him slaming his hand on his locker and the angrying sitting on the grond does not illustrate emotion out side of fustration.

[dreman9999]

adayaday wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...



It more of the case they know how to use the gunship ageinst Shepard without him/her taking it out. In me2, TIM received many reports about Shepard mission,many of the mission in ME2 had Shepard face gun ships. If TIM gets report about these battles, you would not think he wound read over them and develop counter tactics ageinst Shepard based on said reports?

The harvesters were on the groundusing no tactic in ther attact. the Gunship, with it polit knowing full well how Shepard and take a gunship out kept it's distance and attacked when it was tactily sound.

Tim,after over seeing howShepardfoughtin ME2, just develop  a better counter measure to fight Shepard then random mercs in ME2.

Head canon,Head canon and Head canon.
i was talking about how gameplay work with the narrative, there was no mention of upgrades or prototypes or couter-measures to fight  Shepard,if there was any mention of it i would agree with you.

Gameplay has not worked with narritive since ME1. it's pointless to bring it up now.