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[dreman9999]

Greylycantrope wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
They never defined what Shepard was upset about outside of failing.
Remeber that conversation Shepard had with Tali at the memorial wall. Nothing in that conversation was about people dieing on thessia.

It's more the fact that they forced Shep to be sad to begin with, it doesn't matter for what reason it was. I wasn't sad after Thessia, at all, didn't feel my Shep should be either.

Just like they force Shepard to be upset in the locker scene during the normandy lock out  in ME1.

Modifié par dreman9999, 14 février 2013 - 04:35 .

[adayaday]

dreman9999 wrote...

adayaday wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...



It more of the case they know how to use the gunship ageinst Shepard without him/her taking it out. In me2, TIM received many reports about Shepard mission,many of the mission in ME2 had Shepard face gun ships. If TIM gets report about these battles, you would not think he wound read over them and develop counter tactics ageinst Shepard based on said reports?

The harvesters were on the groundusing no tactic in ther attact. the Gunship, with it polit knowing full well how Shepard and take a gunship out kept it's distance and attacked when it was tactily sound.

Tim,after over seeing howShepardfoughtin ME2, just develop  a better counter measure to fight Shepard then random mercs in ME2.

Head canon,Head canon and Head canon.
i was talking about how gameplay work with the narrative, there was no mention of upgrades or prototypes or couter-measures to fight  Shepard,if there was any mention of it i would agree with you.

Gameplay has not worked with narritive since ME1. it's pointless to bring it up now.

But adding stuff that does not exist at all is fine?
Ok ill agree with that since no game have ever done it perfectly,but the contrast betwin the two was not that obvius in the last two games.

Modifié par adayaday, 14 février 2013 - 04:36 .

[CynicalShep]

Indy_S wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
The fight in Thessia doesn't show anything other than Kai Leng being a terrible fighter who relies on cutscenes to win. In what way did he "slow down" Shepard?

He slowed Shepard down with the first ten seconds of this. Seriously, I love that clip. It's so stupid.

Thanks. I really needed to relieve these 10 seconds of nerdrage and agony. 

Why Kai Leng? Why dance at all? Why not just attack with the magical homing missiles and defend with the magical biotic bubble from the very beginning? And why is everybody on my squad (including myself) suddenly a retard?

Modifié par CynicalShep, 14 février 2013 - 04:34 .

[Indy_S]

I respect you challenging the negativity of the sadness but I feel you're going about it the wrong way. There is a disconnect between the player and the character that you seem to be avoiding rather vigilantly.

[dreman9999]

adayaday wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

adayaday wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...



It more of the case they know how to use the gunship ageinst Shepard without him/her taking it out. In me2, TIM received many reports about Shepard mission,many of the mission in ME2 had Shepard face gun ships. If TIM gets report about these battles, you would not think he wound read over them and develop counter tactics ageinst Shepard based on said reports?

The harvesters were on the groundusing no tactic in ther attact. the Gunship, with it polit knowing full well how Shepard and take a gunship out kept it's distance and attacked when it was tactily sound.

Tim,after over seeing howShepardfoughtin ME2, just develop  a better counter measure to fight Shepard then random mercs in ME2.

Head canon,Head canon and Head canon.
i was talking about how gameplay work with the narrative, there was no mention of upgrades or prototypes or couter-measures to fight  Shepard,if there was any mention of it i would agree with you.

Gameplay has not worked with narritive since ME1. it's pointless to bring it up now.

But adding stuff that does not exist at all is fine?

So the report in ME2 don't exsist and TIM is not a caluclation bastered?

Modifié par dreman9999, 14 février 2013 - 04:41 .

[KBomb]

I can't speak for anyone else, but whatever emotion was meant to be conveyed was thrown out the window after reading that silly email from Kai Leng. I imagine that was supposed to raise Shepard's ire and give you a "Oh, payback is going to be mine!" Instead I felt like I was in High School Musical: Bring it on and we were suppose to have a dance off.

[DeathScepter]

if it is Cerberus and if it is ME3 all are retarded

[dreman9999]

CynicalShep wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
The fight in Thessia doesn't show anything other than Kai Leng being a terrible fighter who relies on cutscenes to win. In what way did he "slow down" Shepard?

He slowed Shepard down with the first ten seconds of this. Seriously, I love that clip. It's so stupid.

Thanks. I really needed to relieve these 10 seconds of nerdrage and agony. 

Why Kai Leng? Why dance at all? Why not just attack with the magical homing missiles and defend with the magical biotic bubble from the very beginning? And why is everybody on my squad (including myself) suddenly a retard?

What's the standerd protocol agenst  heavy ammouts of missile fire causing structual damage?

Added, Kia Leng's whinny ass wantto fight Shepard face to face.... Not like thisis the fight time you seen him with the bubble.

[GreyLycanTrope]

dreman9999 wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
They never defined what Shepard was upset about outside of failing.
Remeber that conversation Shepard had with Tali at the memorial wall. Nothing in that conversation was about people dieing on thessia.

It's more the fact that they forced Shep to be sad to begin with, it doesn't matter for what reason it was. I wasn't sad after Thessia, at all, didn't feel my Shep should be either.

Just like they force Shepard to be upset in the locker scene during the normandy lock out  in ME1.

Actually the dialogue option exists where Shep can sound more optimistic about getting out of the situation so no it's not the same.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 14 février 2013 - 04:44 .

[dreman9999]

KBomb wrote...

I can't speak for anyone else, but whatever emotion was meant to be conveyed was thrown out the window after reading that silly email from Kai Leng. I imagine that was supposed to raise Shepard's ire and give you a "Oh, payback is going to be mine!" Instead I felt like I was in High School Musical: Bring it on and we were suppose to have a dance off.

Ok I'll give you that...But the player has a clear choice not to be upset about that letter and even ignore it . That letter, no matter how you think about it, does not mean Shepard isonly upsetabout the all of thessia.

[adayaday]

dreman9999 wrote...

Soth ereport in ME2 don't exsist and TIM is not a caluclation bastered?

Cerberus troops were improved,we see and told about it.(Mars)
Shepard was Improved, we see and told about it.(character creation+me 2 intro)
TIM was improved, we see and told about it.(Crons and earth)

Kai leng and Gunships?Sorry this is head canon.

Modifié par adayaday, 14 février 2013 - 04:44 .

[MB957]

way overdone. forced and trite. reminded me of my writing 101 class in college. poetry week was brutal!! all that angst and heartbreak jammed into newbie poems. was soooo bad...lol!

[dreman9999]

Greylycantrope wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
They never defined what Shepard was upset about outside of failing.
Remeber that conversation Shepard had with Tali at the memorial wall. Nothing in that conversation was about people dieing on thessia.

It's more the fact that they forced Shep to be sad to begin with, it doesn't matter for what reason it was. I wasn't sad after Thessia, at all, didn't feel my Shep should be either.

Just like they force Shepard to be upset in the locker scene during the normandy lock out  in ME1.

Actually the dialogue option exists where Shep can sound more optimistic about getting out of the situation so no it's not he same.

He can be optimistic. It does not mean he is not upset. The player is still force to be upset regurdless to how they resolve it. It still is the same thing.

[CynicalShep]

dreman9999 wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
The fight in Thessia doesn't show anything other than Kai Leng being a terrible fighter who relies on cutscenes to win. In what way did he "slow down" Shepard?

He slowed Shepard down with the first ten seconds of this. Seriously, I love that clip. It's so stupid.

Thanks. I really needed to relieve these 10 seconds of nerdrage and agony. 

Why Kai Leng? Why dance at all? Why not just attack with the magical homing missiles and defend with the magical biotic bubble from the very beginning? And why is everybody on my squad (including myself) suddenly a retard?

What's the standerd protocol agenst  heavy ammouts of missile fire causing structual damage?

Added, Kia Leng's whinny ass wantto fight Shepard face to face.... Not like thisis the fight time you seen him with the bubble.

Judging by the cutscene - holding a magic biotic bubble barrier and ordering a strike. If I had the MBBB (magic biotic bubble barrier) I would have just walked towards Shepard and decapitated him before the cutscene ends.

[dreman9999]

adayaday wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Soth ereport in ME2 don't exsist and TIM is not a caluclation bastered?

Cerberus troops were improved,we see and told about it.(Mars)
Shepard was Improved, we see and told about it.(character creation+me 2 intro)
TIM was improved, we see and told about it.(Crons and earth)

Kai leng and Gunships?Sorry this is head canon.

The gunship was out of fire veiw for most of that battle... Unlike all of the gunship Shep fought in ME2 that stayed in the open for most of the fights. And when it did come to veiw, it flared high beam light in your face to make shooting it harder, unlike the gun ships in ME2...

Is that a coincidence?

Modifié par dreman9999, 14 février 2013 - 04:54 .

[DeinonSlayer]

CynicalShep wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
The fight in Thessia doesn't show anything other than Kai Leng being a terrible fighter who relies on cutscenes to win. In what way did he "slow down" Shepard?

He slowed Shepard down with the first ten seconds of this. Seriously, I love that clip. It's so stupid.

Thanks. I really needed to relieve these 10 seconds of nerdrage and agony. 

Why Kai Leng? Why dance at all? Why not just attack with the magical homing missiles and defend with the magical biotic bubble from the very beginning? And why is everybody on my squad (including myself) suddenly a retard?

If the cutscene played out with Kai Leng in the condition he was in at its start, he'd be stationary, screaming in the radio to be heard over the Adas bolts chewing through his shields. The man doesn't even get a chance to move out of place in my playthroughs.

[dreman9999]

CynicalShep wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
The fight in Thessia doesn't show anything other than Kai Leng being a terrible fighter who relies on cutscenes to win. In what way did he "slow down" Shepard?

He slowed Shepard down with the first ten seconds of this. Seriously, I love that clip. It's so stupid.

Thanks. I really needed to relieve these 10 seconds of nerdrage and agony. 

Why Kai Leng? Why dance at all? Why not just attack with the magical homing missiles and defend with the magical biotic bubble from the very beginning? And why is everybody on my squad (including myself) suddenly a retard?

What's the standerd protocol agenst  heavy ammouts of missile fire causing structual damage?

Added, Kia Leng's whinny ass wantto fight Shepard face to face.... Not like thisis the fight time you seen him with the bubble.

Judging by the cutscene - holding a magic biotic bubble barrier and ordering a strike. If I had the MBBB (magic biotic bubble barrier) I would have just walked towards Shepard and decapitated him before the cutscene ends.

I'm not saying he should not of done it from the start. I'm saying the reason why he did use it clearly because he wanted to fight Shepard. He just used it as a back way door out if he could not win.

[KBomb]

dreman9999 wrote...

KBomb wrote...

I can't speak for anyone else, but whatever emotion was meant to be conveyed was thrown out the window after reading that silly email from Kai Leng. I imagine that was supposed to raise Shepard's ire and give you a "Oh, payback is going to be mine!" Instead I felt like I was in High School Musical: Bring it on and we were suppose to have a dance off.

Ok I'll give you that...But the player has a clear choice not to be upset about that letter and even ignore it . That letter, no matter how you think about it, does not mean Shepard isonly upsetabout the all of thessia.

I never said that email was proof that Shepard was only upset about Thessia. I stated that no matter what emotion you felt, it was diluted after that email. And no, you cannot ignore that terrible, silly, asinine email. Once read, you cannot simply pretend it didn't happen.

Modifié par KBomb, 14 février 2013 - 04:51 .

[dreman9999]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
The fight in Thessia doesn't show anything other than Kai Leng being a terrible fighter who relies on cutscenes to win. In what way did he "slow down" Shepard?

He slowed Shepard down with the first ten seconds of this. Seriously, I love that clip. It's so stupid.

Thanks. I really needed to relieve these 10 seconds of nerdrage and agony. 

Why Kai Leng? Why dance at all? Why not just attack with the magical homing missiles and defend with the magical biotic bubble from the very beginning? And why is everybody on my squad (including myself) suddenly a retard?

If the cutscene played out with Kai Leng in the condition he was in at its start, he'd be stationary, screaming in the radio to be heard over the Adas bolts chewing through his shields. The man doesn't even get a chance to move out of place in my playthroughs.

Phatom bubble protects ageinst that.

[dreman9999]

KBomb wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KBomb wrote...

I can't speak for anyone else, but whatever emotion was meant to be conveyed was thrown out the window after reading that silly email from Kai Leng. I imagine that was supposed to raise Shepard's ire and give you a "Oh, payback is going to be mine!" Instead I felt like I was in High School Musical: Bring it on and we were suppose to have a dance off.

Ok I'll give you that...But the player has a clear choice not to be upset about that letter and even ignore it . That letter, no matter how you think about it, does not mean Shepard isonly upsetabout the all of thessia.

I never said that email was proof that Shepard was only upset about Thessia. I stated that no matter what emotion you felt, it was diluted after that email. And no, you cannot ignore that terrible, silly, asinine email. Once read, you cannot simply pretend it didn't happen.

But you're not forced in a roleplaying way to be upset about it. I'm not saying you can't critise it. 

[Indy_S]

dreman9999 wrote...
Phatom bubble protects ageinst that.

It protects against bullets, explosions, biotics and tech powers? Sounds like plot armour.

[kyles3]

I love the elegiac tone of the game. So many great stories and "human" moments set against a backdrop of desperation and tragedy in this universe I've grown so attached to. Very few works of fiction have affected me as deeply.

[CynicalShep]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
The fight in Thessia doesn't show anything other than Kai Leng being a terrible fighter who relies on cutscenes to win. In what way did he "slow down" Shepard?

He slowed Shepard down with the first ten seconds of this. Seriously, I love that clip. It's so stupid.

Thanks. I really needed to relieve these 10 seconds of nerdrage and agony. 

Why Kai Leng? Why dance at all? Why not just attack with the magical homing missiles and defend with the magical biotic bubble from the very beginning? And why is everybody on my squad (including myself) suddenly a retard?

If the cutscene played out with Kai Leng in the condition he was in at its start, he'd be stationary, screaming in the radio to be heard over the Adas bolts chewing through his shields. The man doesn't even get a chance to move out of place in my playthroughs.

He didn't last much even against my vanguard. On my soldier it was one of the easiest fights in the game. The rest depends on how quickly he is able to trigger his cutscene so that he can benefit from his cutscene god-mode. If he triggers it before you get the chance to shoot you might as well fire dreadnought cannons at him.

Modifié par CynicalShep, 14 février 2013 - 04:58 .

[dreman9999]

Indy_S wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Phatom bubble protects ageinst that.

It protects against bullets, explosions, biotics and tech powers? Sounds like plot armour.

So your saying the plot never establied that it protects from bullets, explosioms , biotics and tech power?

[KBomb]

dreman9999 wrote...

But you're not forced in a roleplaying way to be upset about it. I'm not saying you can't critise it. 

Maybe not, but you can't deny it was placed there as a conduit of revenge and no other reason. Instead of "Oh, no he didn't!", I felt like, "Oh, Jesus Christ, they didn't write this." If there was any chance, no matter how minute that Kai Leng could be a badass that could defeat Shepard, that email nipped it in the bud.