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[ISHYGDDT]

megawug wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...

heybigmoney wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...

heybigmoney wrote...

Wow, the group think mob mentality is strong in this thread.

Sure, its too strong if your best class is the reegar kroguard and you are incapable of using the 10+ classes with ranged options that can easily outdamage him.

What classes are those?

All infiltrators except shadow.  Majority of the grenadiers.  High dps soldiers.  Paladin comes to mind.

I mean really?  Reegar kroguard is the unstoppable force of ME3?  

Show me numbers, or I'll know you're pulling it out of someplace dark.

Well, infs have TC, so that's a given.  And the Valk has AF + Warp.  Kroguard gets a 25% bonus from BC, so it's not bad.

He specified ranged options.  Yes, I have figured out that if you put a Reegar on one of those characters you can outdamage the Kroguard, that wasn't the point.

[heybigmoney]

Feneckus wrote...

heybigmoney wrote...

Reegar kroguard can't slay half as efficiently as a TGI harrier even tho the dps numbers say otherwise.

How come the solo speedrun record is held by a Reeguard Kroguard then ?

Stentron didn't even come that close with his Talon GI.

How come Gi plat speedruns never use reegars?  Game isn't designed arond solo play.  Do you really believe reegar kroguard is a bigger problem then TGI and GI?

[megawug]

Feneckus wrote...

heybigmoney wrote...

Reegar kroguard can't slay half as efficiently as a TGI harrier even tho the dps numbers say otherwise.

How come the solo speedrun record is held by a Reeguard Kroguard then ?

Stentron didn't even come that close with his Talon GI.

Woah, wait.  Isn't the speedrun record with the Fury?

[Anders028]

 YES

[ISHYGDDT]

heybigmoney wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

heybigmoney wrote...

Reegar kroguard can't slay half as efficiently as a TGI harrier even tho the dps numbers say otherwise.

How come the solo speedrun record is held by a Reeguard Kroguard then ?

Stentron didn't even come that close with his Talon GI.

How come Gi plat speedruns never use reegars?  Game isn't designed arond solo play.  Do you really believe reegar kroguard is a bigger problem then TGI and GI?

Neither of them are a problem to me, but the class you take on those speedruns isn't really all that relevant, as long as you can kill mook stragglers quickly, and close distance before a spawn disperses.  All the big stuff gets missiled.  Look at the tutorial runs Invaderone posted.  

The reason why a  solo speedrun is relevant is that you can only missile ~6 spawns out of ~30 as opposed to ~30 out of 30.

Modifié par ISHYGDDT, 14 février 2013 - 03:51 .

[Barneyk]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Given fitting equipment and playerskill sufficient enough to place it in its effective range consequently, yes.

Yes.

Vanguard Krogan with Reeger against Geth is the easiest way I solo gold.
And as long as I am not unlucky with the missions, I have an easier time doing that than I have with many other gold games with PUGs.

[megawug]

Okay, okay... let me get this straight. For a solo, reegar is best (and OP'ed). In team play, it's not because the time to close the distance to the enemy.

I just have a hard time believing that anyone could outscore Jay H.'s javelin GI while running around with a reegar. He'd probably have 5 headshots before anyone could get close enough to fire the reegar. Correct me if I wrong.

Modifié par megawug, 14 février 2013 - 03:58 .

[Mirenko]

Feneckus wrote...

heybigmoney wrote...

Reegar kroguard can't slay half as efficiently as a TGI harrier even tho the dps numbers say otherwise.

How come the solo speedrun record is held by a Reeguard Kroguard then ?

Stentron didn't even come that close with his Talon GI.

But remember that RedJohn and Stentron have probably the same level, they both reached 16 minutes without krogan + reegar. Of course they mastered different things, Stentron is more infiltrator kind and RJ is more vanguard-soldier kind.

if Stentron takes krogan reegar probably would get close to RJ.


I think reegar must be nerfed badly, it's broken nobody can debate that.

[RaptorSolutions]

Barneyk wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Given fitting equipment and playerskill sufficient enough to place it in its effective range consequently, yes.

Yes.

Vanguard Krogan with Reeger against Geth is the easiest way I solo gold.
And as long as I am not unlucky with the missions, I have an easier time doing that than I have with many other gold games with PUGs.

Boring though, find chokepoint -> stream of reegar death -> overruned, find next chokepoint -> stream of reegar death.

[FataliTensei]

Has annomander started ****ing yet?

[heybigmoney]

ISHYGDDT wrote...

heybigmoney wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

heybigmoney wrote...

Reegar kroguard can't slay half as efficiently as a TGI harrier even tho the dps numbers say otherwise.

How come the solo speedrun record is held by a Reeguard Kroguard then ?

Stentron didn't even come that close with his Talon GI.

How come Gi plat speedruns never use reegars?  Game isn't designed arond solo play.  Do you really believe reegar kroguard is a bigger problem then TGI and GI?

Neither of them are a problem to me, but the class you take on those speedruns isn't really all that relevant, as long as you can kill mook stragglers quickly, and close distance before a spawn disperses.  All the big stuff gets missiled.  Look at the tutorial runs Invaderone posted.  

The reason why a  solo speedrun is relevant is that you can only missile ~6 spawns out of ~30 as opposed to ~30 out of 30.

I'm already familiar with speedrun tactics, but class and setups do matter.  There's a reason its been done for so long with 4 GIs with claymore-krysae-pirahna-harrier- and now talon.  Solo speedruns aren't relevant because the game disproportionally punishes you for any sort of aggressive play whatsoever.  Its a drastic difference from team play, where the kroguard doesn't excel nearly as much.  He's the only class that can utilize an aggressive playstyle and thus maintain proper dmg output in a broken gametype.

[orehlol]

Bessy067 wrote...

It does over 3 times more DPS than any other gun.

vs armor?

[Rokayt]

orehlol wrote...

Bessy067 wrote...

It does over 3 times more DPS than any other gun.

vs armor?

With incindiary ammo? Likely.

[Schneidend]

People don't consider short range a significant penalty, despite enemies being capable of shieldgating most classes in a single hit. People are idiots.

[RedJohn]

Schneidend wrote...

People don't consider short range a significant penalty, despite enemies being capable of shieldgating most classes in a single hit. People are idiots.

We are all idiots 

[megawug]

Rokayt wrote...

orehlol wrote...

Bessy067 wrote...

It does over 3 times more DPS than any other gun.

vs armor?

With incindiary ammo? Likely.

FYI, Reegar does 1/2 damage vs. armor.  I wonder how the modifiers are calculated?
http://social.biowar...7/index/9822648

Modifié par megawug, 14 février 2013 - 04:47 .

[Curzyfish]

megawug wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

orehlol wrote...

Bessy067 wrote...

It does over 3 times more DPS than any other gun.

vs armor?

With incindiary ammo? Likely.

FYI, Reegar does 1/2 damage vs. armor.  I wonder how the modifiers are calculated?
http://social.biowar...7/index/9822648

Damage from ammo is calculated AFTER the 50% modifier, which is why ammo consumables and any sort of armor reduction make the reegar destroy everything.

[RaptorSolutions]

RedJohn wrote...

Schneidend wrote...

People don't consider short range a significant penalty, despite enemies being capable of shieldgating most classes in a single hit. People are idiots.

We are all idiots 

Sadly we are. 

[MP-Ryan]

Feneckus wrote...
How come the solo speedrun record is held by a Reeguard Kroguard then ?

Stentron didn't even come that close with his Talon GI.

That solo was established prior to the stunlock stupidity introduced with Retaliation.  No offense to RJ, but I sincerely doubt anyone could establish the same times again with the changes to Kroguard stagger immunity and the introduction of missiles drones and bombers.

The Reegar is without a doubt the weapon of choice for the kroguard, but that has more to do with the inherent weaknesses in the Kroguard than the inherent OP-ness of the Reegar.  It's an extremely powerful weapon for the right person with the right class, but it is entirely situational... unlike, say, the Claymore, which I see a lot of BSN regulars use on just about everything they can think of.

Maybe we can talk BioWare into quitting with the punishing of melee-based classes, Vanguards in particular (stunlock, insta-sync-kills, melee damage being inferior to weapons) and then we can talk about removing the Reegar because the Kroguard and a few other characters will suddenly be able to rely on powers and melee.

I get really perturbed with some people around here that don't like something and therefore believe it should be nerfed.  If you don't like it and think its OP, don't use it.  The Kroguard "breaks" the Reegar the same way the GI "breaks" the Javelin, the Talon, the Hurricane, and countless other weapons.  Some kits do inordinately well with some weapons.  I don't see Reegars in every lobby.  Hell, the rare time I do see it is on one of my own characters when I play him - a kroguard.

Modifié par MP-Ryan, 14 février 2013 - 05:22 .

[Pifase]

Annomander wrote...

But, as usual, a whole load of really terrible players will come in here, defending their n00b gun and telling me that the reetard carbine is a balanced gun. 

The reegar is only a balanced gun if you are terrible at this game. And even terrible players get a lot of mileage out of their beloved reegar crutchbine.

This is an interesting argument: "I will insult you until you agree with me". I have a few questions:

1. Do we terrible players who doesn't master every aspect of this game still have "right" to play and enjoy this game? 

2. Should this game be balanced by an opinion of the most elites gamers - occupying other end of the normal distribution curve(2%) - or can we terrible players also have preferencies about kits, guns and other things?

3. If the Reegar is the most overpowered gun in the game, why havent I seen on every player? It's kind of a rare sight.

4. Do you guys use reegar with every kit? I don't, althought I like a lot.

I'm using reegar with:
most of the time with: Krogan vanguard(when specced to weapon damage and full tanking) and Asari valkyrie
often: Vorcha sentinel - sometimes I switch to harrier
sometimes: Batarian sentinel
Rarely: N7 Shadow, Geth infiltrator, Quarian male infiltrator

7 kits from around 60 kits (if we count both male and female humans). I just don't like using the reegar all the time.

Weapon damage is not the only aspect in this game - it's easily calculated though but should not be the only argument.

Player preferences (weapon or powerbased kits + ranged or CQC classes), skill, thoughness, avoidance and characters ability of being close to enemy and avoid death/sync-kills, variety and such are not so easily calculated.

Also - nodoby is forcing you personally to use the gun or join anyone using it.

P.s. happy valentine's day everyone <3 <3:wub:

Modifié par Pifase, 14 février 2013 - 11:55 .

[Vubica]

Zjarcal wrote...

PronozaSoldier wrote...

The only case where the Reegar is OP is on a Huntress with fully specced Warp and incendiary ammo.

Kroguard says hi.

n7 shadow /wave
Geth Infiltrator /sup!

[BridgeBurner]

Pifase wrote...
....

You didn't comprehend the meaning of my post.

The reegar could only be considered "balanced" if you are terrible at this game, as it's supposed drawbacks are trivial to mitigate by even a poorly skilled player.

I may well record some video comparisons. One will be typhoon X with optimal mods and full consumables, the other will be reegar X with only ammo power and mods.

I also won't aim for the head with the reegar, and I will with the typhoon, and we'll see just how much faster the lolreegar kills stuff.

And for the last time, "risk" is a paltry excuse: you're not at any risk when using a reegar when everything melts in a matter of seconds. By that method of thinking, the hurricane should be buffed so it does 4x the damage it should, as it's not really effective outside of reegar range. The claymore too.

Modifié par Annomander, 14 février 2013 - 12:40 .

[tungstenKestrel]

Vubica wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

PronozaSoldier wrote...

The only case where the Reegar is OP is on a Huntress with fully specced Warp and incendiary ammo.

Kroguard says hi.

n7 shadow /wave
Geth Infiltrator /sup!

Human Infiltrator is too shy to speak up with obligatory TC over Cryo Blast when it comes to armor damage.