*sigh* I suppose I should put down these delusions... hard.
robertthebard wrote...
You should really play the game. Wynne is not positioned with Loghain. She is with the King's forces. As I pointed out in my initial post, if Loghain could see the battlefield from his ambush point, then the darkspawn could see him. The whole point of an ambush is that the people you're ambushing can't see you.
Oh? Perhaps I'm misremembering, but I recall from her conversation that she specifically states she will not be with the King in the battle. I'm not surprised that you've yet another baseless claim though... it's largely why I've been ignoring you.
Or hey, maybe I should just open the Toolset right now and be sure?
PC:
"Will you be fighting beside the king?"Wynne:
"Not precisely. The Grey Wardens will be on the front lines, not the mages. Still, we have our parts to play."What do you know... robertthebard caught in a lie. Tsk. Anyone who can see my post history knows I can admit when I've been wrong about something, but can you say the same?
Most ambushes involved not being seen, yes, but it is altogether idiotic to believe both parties must not see each other for one to be hidden. I mean really now, I thought everybody realized covering your eyes doesn't make you invisible.
But no... go ahead with believing that Loghain's forces couldn't be hiding in the dark and still spot the vast horde of Darkspawn. Ignore the witnesses and everything... it's what I've come to expect from you.
Ser Donall was in Lothering when Loghain's troops passed through. Why was he in Lothering? Looking for the Urn of Sacred Ashes. Why look for the Urn if it's not needed? We have Jowan, Bann Teagan, the Knight that's actually in charge of the defence of Redcliffe and Isolde that Eamon has been sick/poisoned since before Cailin died. We also have Connor in the Fade, while we wander from one incarnation of the Desire demon to the other, asking if we're the one that made his father ill. Which is truly ironic, if you use Jowan in the Fade.
OBJEC... oh why bother. You're hopeless.
Give me proof already. We know Arl Eamon was poisoned but so far all I've seen is baseless claims on when that happened from you. Show me where it says Eamon was poisoned before battle please. Ser Donall is discredited. You want him to be credible again? Explain how Loghain could be arguing with Cailan at camp for several days before the player arrives and yet be in Denerim to meet Jowan (who'd have to first be brought there). Go ahead. I'm waiting. It should at least be plausible... no teleportation beams allowed, sorry.
However, it's easy to see how Loghain could have so many followers post Ostagar; the gullibility seems to run right out of the game into people that play it, and refuse to accept even the "Word of God" that Loghain was indeed plotting against Cailin.
It's funny how people see what they want to see in words that can mean many things. You take your own interpretation as undeniable proof of your own assumptions.
He was delusional in that even at the Landsmeet, he still insists that Orlais was the enemy, not the darkspawn. You can even score a point against him at the Landsmeet by pointing that out.
*yawn* An either or thing, eh? How about I just open the Single Player module and look for myself. Hmm..
Loghain:
"The Blight is indeed real, Wulff. But do we need Grey Wardens to fight it?"So the Arl who's lost nearly everthing to the Blight supports you for mentioning it. Great proof you have there.
I've accounted for Loghain's delusions in my own scenario, but his delusions weren't at the point where he'd not listen to reason and he had logic behind them, though logic fueled by false presumptions. If he was delusional to the point you claim he'd never have submitted to the player's execution so calmly -- he'd be utterly convinced that his course was the right one. Yet he surrendered and acted like a completely calm rational person afterwords... yep... crazy-on, crazy-off. Makes perfect sense.
I'm not one to deny people their delusions though, so feel free to ignore in game facts if you wish. In reading the whole thread, countless times in various discussions, I have seen nothing presented that supports your initial post, other than a blind desire to be a follower.
You clearly have no desire to be impartial in this. You see proof where there is only suspicion. I've given reasons for my logic, you have only distorted truth to fit your purposes. Any rational person can see through your lies rather easily; you can rant all you want, but it doesn't change the facts. There are many admissions I've made in this thread and I hardly see Loghain as an ideal of behavior. I'm such a great follower, aren't I?
You'll be sad to notice that if the PC does minimal footwork on the Landsmeet, Loghain is defeated there every time. It's funny too, since the Landsmeet will accept the word of a City Elf, Dwarf or Dalish over Loghain. Let alone the last known surviving Cousland.
Sad? The PC is the protagonist of the story. Nobles are not necessarily noble of character and have their own reasons for choosing sides in politics. You assume... well... everything.
Are we done here? I revised my post to be as nice as possible, but you really need to get your head out of your ***.
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