Elhanan wrote...
For nyself, it is is more important is that Loghain chose to continue to ally with this vermin after discovering the crimes and methods Howe used/would use to rule.
CalJones wrote...
My interpretation is that Loghain was completely preoccupied (as evidenced by the two cutscenes) and Howe was able to get a lot past him as a result. We can see that when he hires Zevran - Loghain is clearly not impressed but more or less says "yeah, whatever" and goes back to drinking.
I'm not saying this excuses him in any way, but I don't think he'd have approved of a lot of the things Howe did were he not too busy worrying about the Orlesians, putting the smack down on the Bannorn and guilt tripping over Cailan (and I do think he felt bad about Cailan - much as he was a moron, he was still Maric's son).
Persephone wrote...
There is little room for being picky in politics, especially in a crisis. Howe was the most powerful ally to be had. Loghain is clearly disgusted by him. To antagonize the man who took Highever by force would have been suicide.
Elhanan wrote...
Persephone wrote...
There is little room for being picky in politics, especially in a crisis. Howe was the most powerful ally to be had. Loghain is clearly disgusted by him. To antagonize the man who took Highever by force would have been suicide.
Picky? Choosing armor is picky. Your allies turn out to be murderous thugs, removing them from your midst is advisable.
Suicide? If Howe had the power to take the throne, he would have done so. And Loghain has several flaws, but fear of that verminesque noble and his troops is most likely not among them. Besides, Ser Cauthrian could have made sausage of Howe many times over herself.
But if you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.
Persephone wrote...
Howe was, I think, planning that. Urging Loghain to kill Anora. After Loghain refused, he had the queen locked up. VERY fishy. Cauthrien is hardly a valuable ally when it comes to politics.
Modifié par Wulfram, 05 novembre 2010 - 04:02 .
When you ask Loghain about Anora's claims that her life was in danger and he is friendly (you need a mod to achieve this) then he says that Anora was probably talking about Howe wanting her dead. Regardless of whether or not Anora did here this, Loghain believes she easily could have. Erlina really makes it seem like Anora's imprisonment is a recent thing and if Anora were confined to one room, why in the world woudl Howe and Loghain be discussing her fate right where she could hear them? It's one thing if she just eavesdrops on them and quite another for them to walk right up to the place they know she's at and have their conversation within her hearing range.Wulfram wrote...
Persephone wrote...
Howe was, I think, planning that. Urging Loghain to kill Anora. After Loghain refused, he had the queen locked up. VERY fishy. Cauthrien is hardly a valuable ally when it comes to politics.
I always assumed that Anora was locked up before Howe proposed killing her. Have I missed anything?
I can't see the option being discussed when they still think she's loyal to their regime.
Sarah1281 wrote...
When you ask Loghain about Anora's claims that her life was in danger and he is friendly (you need a mod to achieve this) then he says that Anora was probably talking about Howe wanting her dead. Regardless of whether or not Anora did here this, Loghain believes she easily could have. Erlina really makes it seem like Anora's imprisonment is a recent thing and if Anora were confined to one room, why in the world woudl Howe and Loghain be discussing her fate right where she could hear them? It's one thing if she just eavesdrops on them and quite another for them to walk right up to the place they know she's at and have their conversation within her hearing range.
Sarah1281 wrote...
But why would they argue about killing Anora right outside of the room she was imprisoned in? That seems really, really stupid.
Why can't Loghain have just assumed that Anora must have overheard it because there was really nothing else he knew of that would give her the idea that he was out to get her.
Since Howe just brought it up and Loghain nixed the idea, it could have been before her imprisonment. And she was really never treated being treated as the rightful queen, Loghain and Howe were the ones with all the power.
prizm123 wrote...
doesnt matter, he tried to have me killed, therefore he dies, end of story
BlazingSpeed wrote...
prizm123 wrote...
doesnt matter, he tried to have me killed, therefore he dies, end of story
Simple and uncomplicated,
Modifié par Zjarcal, 18 décembre 2010 - 04:07 .
Zjarcal wrote...
Well, nothing wrong with wanting vengeance sometimes. :innocent:
Seriously, first the abominable Wynne thread and now this one is necro'd...
We really are running out of things to say on this forums.
Ryzaki wrote...
Though I don't see it as revenge as much as a necessity. The man comitted treason and you're in a rush. You have no time to have a trial or public execution and it's best to make sure the job gets done and one of his supporters don't smuggle him out. (Or his daughter). Kill him quick and clean.
It doesn't have to be emotional.
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Persephone wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
Though I don't see it as revenge as much as a necessity. The man comitted treason and you're in a rush. You have no time to have a trial or public execution and it's best to make sure the job gets done and one of his supporters don't smuggle him out. (Or his daughter). Kill him quick and clean.
It doesn't have to be emotional.
As I do not agree that he committed treason (No more than Eamon who plotted against his queen) , that argument is moot to me. But you knew that already, right?:happy:
Zjarcal wrote...
Well, nothing wrong with wanting vengeance sometimes. :innocent:
Seriously, first the abominable Wynne thread and now this one is necro'd...
We really are running out of things to say on this forums.
Persephone wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
Though I don't see it as revenge as much as a necessity. The man comitted treason and you're in a rush. You have no time to have a trial or public execution and it's best to make sure the job gets done and one of his supporters don't smuggle him out. (Or his daughter). Kill him quick and clean.
It doesn't have to be emotional.
As I do not agree that he committed treason (No more than Eamon who plotted against his queen) , that argument is moot to me. But you knew that already, right?:happy:
Ryzaki wrote...
Persephone wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
Though I don't see it as revenge as much as a necessity. The man comitted treason and you're in a rush. You have no time to have a trial or public execution and it's best to make sure the job gets done and one of his supporters don't smuggle him out. (Or his daughter). Kill him quick and clean.
It doesn't have to be emotional.
As I do not agree that he committed treason (No more than Eamon who plotted against his queen) , that argument is moot to me. But you knew that already, right?:happy:
Right but it being treason to me is what's important in my game like it being treason to you is important in your game.
Sarah1281 wrote...
At least those two are classic threads instead of the random year-old one-page threads that occasionally get brought back and someone answers a question from a year ago that I'll be the OP doesn't even remember.
Persephone wrote...
Agree 100% there. Absolutely.
Mezzil wrote...
Persephone wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
Though I don't see it as revenge as much as a necessity. The man comitted treason and you're in a rush. You have no time to have a trial or public execution and it's best to make sure the job gets done and one of his supporters don't smuggle him out. (Or his daughter). Kill him quick and clean.
It doesn't have to be emotional.
As I do not agree that he committed treason (No more than Eamon who plotted against his queen) , that argument is moot to me. But you knew that already, right?:happy:
I saw that DG called Loghain a traitor (as he's committed treason against the country) in that one thread where he says Anora is a ruling queen. The "word of god" said it, so it must be true, right?
Ryzaki wrote...
Mezzil wrote...
Persephone wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
Though I don't see it as revenge as much as a necessity. The man comitted treason and you're in a rush. You have no time to have a trial or public execution and it's best to make sure the job gets done and one of his supporters don't smuggle him out. (Or his daughter). Kill him quick and clean.
It doesn't have to be emotional.
As I do not agree that he committed treason (No more than Eamon who plotted against his queen) , that argument is moot to me. But you knew that already, right?:happy:
I saw that DG called Loghain a traitor (as he's committed treason against the country) in that one thread where he says Anora is a ruling queen. The "word of god" said it, so it must be true, right?
Do you have a link to this?
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