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[Eterna]

Well I didn't see this thread ending like this at all.

[Whybother]

Eterna5 wrote...

Well I didn't see this thread ending like this at all.

How would the thread end?

Destroy?  We all flame each other to death.
Control?  Mod steps in and closes the thread.
Synthesis?  We all sing kumbaya and agree.

[Elorin Silverblade]

Whybother wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Well I didn't see this thread ending like this at all.

How would the thread end?

Destroy?  We all flame each other to death.
Control?  Mod steps in and closes the thread.
Synthesis?  We all sing kumbaya and agree.

lol nice, I've seen destroy and control before, but never synthesis

[string3r]

It was the main premise of the entire series, wether it's boring or not I choose destroy every time.

Modifié par string3r, 15 février 2013 - 01:12 .

[Eterna]

Whybother wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Well I didn't see this thread ending like this at all.

How would the thread end?

Destroy?  We all flame each other to death.
Control?  Mod steps in and closes the thread.
Synthesis?  We all sing kumbaya and agree.

Destroy: Mass Hysteria, "How can someone not like my ending?!?!1, It's the right choice!!1" Original poster has so many people coming at them, that they can no longer handle the ****ing so they just give up and leave. The next 20 pages are people who picked Destroy reassuring themselves that their choice was right and good.


Control: People post some crap about how power corrupts because they read a quote once about how power corrupts and think they're profound for repeating said quote. Anyone who disagrees gets the wall of "La la la la la" which effectively drowns out all oposition to their tangent. 

Synthesis: Dumb ass meme pictures are posted, people drone on and on and on about their irrational headcannon which they think is fact.  People who pick Synthesis are either considered indoctrinated, stupid, or abhorrent. Inevitably somebody will compare Synthesis to rape. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 15 février 2013 - 01:14 .

[TheCrazyHobo]

Wayning_Star wrote...
Synthesis is just a matter of accepting the lore and story facts.

So, what actually stops the reaper threat and ends chaos? (Shep's mission by the way.)

Do you ever have any facts to back up what you are saying?

Also, Shep's mission is to stop the Reaper's from murdering eveyone like the RGB endings accomplish, however, Shep has nothing to do with that whole "chaos" garbage that the Catalyst spews out of his mouth.  

[Wayning_Star]

TheCrazyHobo wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...
Synthesis is just a matter of accepting the lore and story facts.

So, what actually stops the reaper threat and ends chaos? (Shep's mission by the way.)

Do you ever have any facts to back up what you are saying?

Also, Shep's mission is to stop the Reaper's from murdering eveyone like the RGB endings accomplish, however, Shep has nothing to do with that whole "chaos" garbage that the Catalyst spews out of his mouth.  

look back through the posts, this stuff is self evident, but ignored generally. Shep has everything to do with destroy being the chaos garbage.

read/experience the story facts and lore, then get back to me with,well..whatever it was you're attempting.

[Kataphrut94]

That's the funny thing about the ending choice: no other choice in the game gets people so worked up and defensive (except possibly the quarians/geth). If you picked Destroy, you're either "making the only right choice" or committing genocide. If you picked Control, you're either pragmatic and benevolent or evil and corrupt. If you picked Synthesis, you're either a utilitarian intellectual or an indoctrinated rapist.

Each to there own, surely. Although I do happen to agree with the title of this thread.

[ofarrell]

I respect your opinion but I disagree. I chose Destroy because Control and Synthesis went against my moral and ethical views. Synthesis makes me feel like an absolute ruler who arbitrarily decides that the very essence of everyone's basic humanity (for lack of a better word) will be changed to something different. Control also makes me feel as if I am beoming a god who has no ethical values, one who only uses reason to decide things. That is why I chosed Destroy. 

Modifié par ofarrell, 15 février 2013 - 01:31 .

[Wayning_Star]

 [/quote]

How would the thread end?

Destroy?  We all flame each other to death.
Control?  Mod steps in and closes the thread.
Synthesis?  We all sing kumbaya and agree.

[/quote]

Destroy: Mass Hysteria, "How can someone not like my ending?!?!1, It's the right choice!!1" Original poster has so many people coming at them, that they can no longer handle the ****ing so they just give up and leave. The next 20 pages are people who picked Destroy reassuring themselves that their choice was right and good.


Control: People post some crap about how power corrupts because they read a quote once about how power corrupts and think they're profound for repeating said quote. Anyone who disagrees gets the wall of "La la la la la" which effectively drowns out all oposition to their tangent. 

Synthesis: Dumb ass meme pictures are posted, people drone on and on and on about their irrational headcannon which they think is fact.  People who pick Synthesis are either considered indoctrinated, stupid, or abhorrent. Inevitably somebody will compare Synthesis to rape. 

[/quote]

this kind of makes me wonder : ""Synthesis? We all sing kumbaya and agree.""

and the opposite of that would be? Chaos? Who knew...

[Enhanced]

Fawx9 wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

Fawx9 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Fawx9 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

@Ticonderoga117: The OP is arguing from a metagame standpoint, independent of Shepard's in-universe objectives. I understand the point being made, but disagree. Synthesis represents an utterly stagnant civilization, as all conflict has been removed. That's the problem with utopias and perfection and stuff, really.

Control could actually be interesting as the galaxy struggles against a Reaper dictatorship. Conflict could arise between factions that worship the Reapers as benevolent guardians and those that see them as oppressive overlords. It has potential and room to evolve.

Destroy, though? That's still an interesting future, as the galaxy has to rebuild itself without any magical outside help. We really have no idea what things will look like in 100 years. Who gains power? What new technologies are created that are based off the Crucible and leftover Reaper bits? What happens if some worlds remain cut off from one another due to the crippled relay network and thus develop on their own?

the catalys ruins the fun with destroy, as it states it won't work as it's the problem, not the cure to the problem.

Note: the catalyst is a trusted source of informaton.

Unless you think it's wrong because it offers no direct proof.

It only has a theory. You challenge it by choosing destory and try to prove that its theory doesn't hold.

no, that is an observation by the catalyst, not an opinion. The catalyst doesn't have opinions. (see lore)

It observed that synthetics rebelled.

We observed that the organic creators started a war and synthetics defended themselves. We also observed them coming to terms.

His observations are just that. Observations. He has no way to prove that a hypothetical race of synthetics will wipe out all organic life.

The same way we can't prove that a future organic race will wipe out everyone else.

Not just rebellions. It has observed the elimination of entire species. Leviathans confirmed that.

And?

This cycle observed the 'exitinction' of the Rachnii through war plus put batarians on the endangered species list. Does that mean that an organic race will eventually wipe out all other life?

That's not a great example. The Rachni were led to extinction because they were  a threat other life in the galxay. They could have eventually wiped out all other life if something wasn't done to stop them. 

Modifié par Enhanced, 15 février 2013 - 01:42 .

[Sundance31us]

The key is to remember that no other player can dictate how you interpret your game.

[Wayning_Star]

Sundance31us wrote...

The key is to remember that no other player can dictate how you interpret your game.

one exception being the catalyst..kind of pushes Shep back and takes over..not to mention the actual decision makers, the authors of the choices menu,as well as the crucible engineers. Shep is a pawn to them...in realtime.

[Indy_S]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

The key is to remember that no other player can dictate how you interpret your game.

one exception being the catalyst..kind of pushes Shep back and takes over..not to mention the actual decision makers, the authors of the choices menu,as well as the crucible engineers. Shep is a pawn to them...in realtime.

Wait, all those people are playing the game too?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

What is really sad is that the writers never gave me my choice.

* If I have the Geth alive Destroy is not the right choice.
* If I have the Geth alive Synthesis is not the right choice because I am making the choice for everyone.
* If I have the Geth alive Control is not the right choice because of what it is. I am no longer me. I have lost my humanity. I am now a machine, and I would have asked for it. Trapped as the Intelligence forever.
* If I refuse to make a choice everyone dies.

THE ENDINGS as they stand SIMPLY SUCK. ALL OF THEM. Arguing about which one is the best is pointless.

The happy ending mod is the only thing that actually does the job at this point. Mass Effect deserved better.

[Wayning_Star]

Indy_S wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

The key is to remember that no other player can dictate how you interpret your game.

one exception being the catalyst..kind of pushes Shep back and takes over..not to mention the actual decision makers, the authors of the choices menu,as well as the crucible engineers. Shep is a pawn to them...in realtime.

Wait, all those people are playing the game too?

in a way, yes as that is the only reason anyone actually makes any decision. To say otherwise is to say the story/game doesn't matter AS a game..Shepard is irrelevant..bummer.

edit: to add that actually that stament is voide by it's pretence, as if it's controlling the question of 'interpret'. AS the poster IS another player, I assume. Humans are sooooo tricky..lol

Modifié par Wayning_Star, 15 février 2013 - 02:22 .

[Auld Wulf]

Siiiigh.

I wish I could say something slowly in text, but the only way to do that is to obnoxiously type each letter multiple times, and I'm not going to do that.

Synthesis is optional.

The game tells you this, multiple times. One of the endings says so (via EDI), and the Catalyst tells you. You're not choosing for everyone, since everyone can have the right to choose for themselves whether they want to be included on this whole Catalyst thing or not.

Can we stop with the "Synthesis is forced upon us all!" fallacy now? Please? The only way one could say Synthesis is forced on anyone is to disregard the game's lore, but if you're going to do that then there's no point in you taking part in an argument at all, since everything then is moot.

[clennon8]

Okay. It's official. Wulf is trolling. Well done man. It took me until now to be sure. I thought maybe you were just a jerk.

Modifié par clennon8, 15 février 2013 - 02:23 .

[o Ventus]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Siiiigh.

I wish I could say something slowly in text, but the only way to do that is to obnoxiously type each letter multiple times, and I'm not going to do that.

Synthesis is optional.

The game tells you this, multiple times. One of the endings says so (via EDI), and the Catalyst tells you. You're not choosing for everyone, since everyone can have the right to choose for themselves whether they want to be included on this whole Catalyst thing or not.

Yeah. Synthesis is optional, the way it influences everything and everybody, including trees, rocks, and Joker's hat. There's also the whole "every single character seen in the epilogue slides after Synthesis has the after effects".

[Wayning_Star]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Siiiigh.

I wish I could say something slowly in text, but the only way to do that is to obnoxiously type each letter multiple times, and I'm not going to do that.

Synthesis is optional.

The game tells you this, multiple times. One of the endings says so (via EDI), and the Catalyst tells you. You're not choosing for everyone, since everyone can have the right to choose for themselves whether they want to be included on this whole Catalyst thing or not.

Can we stop with the "Synthesis is forced upon us all!" fallacy now? Please? The only way one could say Synthesis is forced on anyone is to disregard the game's lore, but if you're going to do that then there's no point in you taking part in an argument at all, since everything then is moot.

I wonder about that as the cat states it as choice only to be accepted, but never could make the jump past Shepard being the chooser.. Where in lore is this stated Wulf., other than the catalyst stating such? I didn't get it from Edi's commentary, but its been awhile since I saw the fallout endgame scenes...

[Wayning_Star]

o Ventus wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

Siiiigh.

I wish I could say something slowly in text, but the only way to do that is to obnoxiously type each letter multiple times, and I'm not going to do that.

Synthesis is optional.

The game tells you this, multiple times. One of the endings says so (via EDI), and the Catalyst tells you. You're not choosing for everyone, since everyone can have the right to choose for themselves whether they want to be included on this whole Catalyst thing or not.

Yeah. Synthesis is optional, the way it influences everything and everybody, including trees, rocks, and Joker's hat. There's also the whole "every single character seen in the epilogue slides after Synthesis has the after effects".

one thing about it, in the MEU, when they make tools..they make tools.. Leviathan considers the MEU,as a whole, their tool. If lore can speak for it's self.

edit: to include some binary thought: It's all just some collateral damage, acceptable to end the reaper threat.

Modifié par Wayning_Star, 15 février 2013 - 02:30 .

[clennon8]

Come on, people. He's trolling. lol. Stop gratifying him by taking him seriously.

[Indy_S]

How does an a tree decide whether to get affected by synthesis? If it can't choose, how can a person?

[noobcannon]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Siiiigh.

I wish I could say something slowly in text, but the only way to do that is to obnoxiously type each letter multiple times, and I'm not going to do that.

Synthesis is optional.

The game tells you this, multiple times. One of the endings says so (via EDI), and the Catalyst tells you. You're not choosing for everyone, since everyone can have the right to choose for themselves whether they want to be included on this whole Catalyst thing or not.

Can we stop with the "Synthesis is forced upon us all!" fallacy now? Please? The only way one could say Synthesis is forced on anyone is to disregard the game's lore, but if you're going to do that then there's no point in you taking part in an argument at all, since everything then is moot.

w  u  l  f.     s y n t h e s i s          i s           n o t     o p t i o n a l.       i     r e p e a t        s y n t h e s i s          i s           n o t     o p t i o n a l.         t h e      g a m e     d o e s     not       s a y      t h i s        a t       a  n  y        p o i n t. 

[DeinonSlayer]

noobcannon wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

Siiiigh.

I wish I could say something slowly in text, but the only way to do that is to obnoxiously type each letter multiple times, and I'm not going to do that.

Synthesis is optional.

The game tells you this, multiple times. One of the endings says so (via EDI), and the Catalyst tells you. You're not choosing for everyone, since everyone can have the right to choose for themselves whether they want to be included on this whole Catalyst thing or not.

Can we stop with the "Synthesis is forced upon us all!" fallacy now? Please? The only way one could say Synthesis is forced on anyone is to disregard the game's lore, but if you're going to do that then there's no point in you taking part in an argument at all, since everything then is moot.

w  u  l  f.     s y n t h e s i s          i s           n o t     o p t i o n a l.       i     r e p e a t        s y n t h e s i s          i s           n o t     o p t i o n a l.         t h e      g a m e     d o e s     not       s a y      t h i s        a t       a  n  y        p o i n t. 

Luddite.