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[dorktainian]

BirdsallSa wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

dorktainian wrote...
But we're winning the argument.  and it's eating you up isnt it?  

No, you're just louder and more persistent than the opposition, and I usually don't bother to reply to posts that bring nothing new to the table.

In case you haven't noticed, this topic is not about pragmatic reasons to choose an ending or another one, but about the narrative payoff of the ultimate outcome for each ending - or its lack, in the case of high EMS Destroy. This is of course highly subjective, but then, so are most ending arguments. 

The reason I'm a big fan of all of Ieldra2's posts is because all of them consist of pure logic, just like the conversation with the Intelligence, and the entire ending in general.

hehe. keep taking the meds.

[Wayning_Star]

Destroy folks gets all gears of war'd up for the big boss fight to end the reaper threat, end up with four dimensional chess game with the past and more than one of the pieces missing.

I'd be pissed too..lol

[Ticonderoga117]

BirdsallSa wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

dorktainian wrote...
But we're winning the argument.  and it's eating you up isnt it?  

No, you're just louder and more persistent than the opposition, and I usually don't bother to reply to posts that bring nothing new to the table.

In case you haven't noticed, this topic is not about pragmatic reasons to choose an ending or another one, but about the narrative payoff of the ultimate outcome for each ending - or its lack, in the case of high EMS Destroy. This is of course highly subjective, but then, so are most ending arguments. 

The reason I'm a big fan of all of Ieldra2's posts is because all of them consist of pure logic, just like the conversation with the Intelligence, and the entire ending in general.

AHAHAHAHA!

Wait... you're serious?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

That "Intelligence" is so full of crap it isn't funny.

[BirdsallSa]

dorktainian wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

You all don't understand. Shepard isn't some bull-headed soldier who's stuck on destroying the Reapers and stopping the cycle. There's no evidence to support this. Ieldra says it best when it describes Shepard as "curious about the Reapers" and "wished they weren't an enemy". There is tons of in game evidence that supports this. Meeting the Intelligence and discovering it was really just orchestrating the cycle to protect us is just icing on the cake to move forward with Synthesis.

    


Shepard.  Together we can stop Sovereign. We don’t have to submit to the Reapers. We can beat them!

Saren: Join Sovereign and experience a true rebirth!

Shepard: I’d rather die than live like that.  



Illusive Man: Destroying the Reapers gains us nothing.

Shepard: How about peace?     


and you were saying?    

My Shepard didn't do Mass Effect 1 so he never said that first line.

   I'll add some ME2 for you.  See if you get the jist of this.

Illusive Man: Strength for Cerberus is strength for every human. Cerberus is humanity. I should have known you choke on the hard decisions. Too idealistic from the start.

Shepard: I know what you are. And the price of dealing with you. We do things my way from now on. Harbinger is coming. And he won’t be alone. I’m going to make sure we’re ready when they get here. You can fall in line or step aside. But don’t get in my way.

Illusive Man: You’re sure that’s what you want? You’re taking a hell of a risk Shepard.

Shepard: I don’t think so. I’m going to stop the Reapers. But I won’t sacrifice the soul of our species to do it.

My Shepard never did Me2 either. Maybe you're starting to get the gist of it, that you can't just forge evidence to prove your point.

Modifié par BirdsallSa, 15 février 2013 - 03:01 .

[Ieldra]

dorktainian wrote...
Shepard: I don’t think so. I’m going to stop the Reapers. But I won’t sacrifice the soul of our species to do it. 

That line is optional. You only get it if you choose the upper option in the first conversation node. My Shepard never says it. 

And it's good it's optional. I hate this line almost beyond anything else in the trilogy.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 février 2013 - 03:02 .

[Ticonderoga117]

BirdsallSa wrote...
My Shepard never did Me2 either. Maybe you're starting to get the gist of it, that you can't just forge evidence to prove your point. Let me give a few quotes for you that support Control and Synthesis.

From the date with Garrus on the Citadel
Garrus: I want to go up there, but there were a hundred regulations telling me I couldn't.
Shepard: So you got them changed?
Garrus: No, now I just don't give a damn... I figure it's time to do something stupid, just for the hell of it.

Well no wonder you believe the BS, you didn't play 2/3 of the story!

[dorktainian]

BirdsallSa. comedy gold. Keep em coming.

[RedBeardJim]

dorktainian wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

dorktainian wrote...
But we're winning the argument.  and it's eating you up isnt it?  

No, you're just louder and more persistent than the opposition, and I usually don't bother to reply to posts that bring nothing new to the table.

In case you haven't noticed, this topic is not about pragmatic reasons to choose an ending or another one, but about the narrative payoff of the ultimate outcome for each ending - or its lack, in the case of high EMS Destroy. This is of course highly subjective, but then, so are most ending arguments. 

The reason I'm a big fan of all of Ieldra2's posts is because all of them consist of pure logic, just like the conversation with the Intelligence, and the entire ending in general.

hehe. keep taking the meds.

Recalibrate your sarcasm detector and read through Birdsall's posts again.

[BirdsallSa]

Ieldra2 wrote...

dorktainian wrote...
Shepard: I don’t think so. I’m going to stop the Reapers. But I won’t sacrifice the soul of our species to do it. 

That line is optional. You only get it if you choose the upper option in the first conversation node. My Shepard never says it. 

And it's good it's optional. I hate this line almost beyond anything else in the trilogy.

Precisely! Some Shepards are perfectly willing to sacrifice the soul of their species to stop the Reapers. It's that kind of raw dedication that makes Synthesis supporters a cut above the rest on the BSN.

[dorktainian]

Ieldra2 wrote...

dorktainian wrote...
Shepard: I don’t think so. I’m going to stop the Reapers. But I won’t sacrifice the soul of our species to do it. 

Just to be absolutely perfectly clear, you still picked Synthebodge after this conversation?  Seriously?

That line is optional. You only get it if you choose the upper option in the first conversation node. My Shepard never says it. 

that line is optional.  the thought isnt.  have fun making fluffy with mass murdering genocidal immortal god like machines wont you?  

[Ticonderoga117]

BirdsallSa wrote...
Precisely! Some Shepards are perfectly willing to sacrifice the soul of their species to stop the Reapers. It's that kind of raw dedication that makes Synthesis supporters a cut above the rest on the BSN.

Except the Reapers are still around. With the Catalyst still in control. The cycle isn't broken. This is not a solution.

[dorktainian]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...
Precisely! Some Shepards are perfectly willing to sacrifice the soul of their species to stop the Reapers. It's that kind of raw dedication that makes Synthesis supporters a cut above the rest on the BSN.

Except the Reapers are still around. With the Catalyst still in control. The cycle isn't broken. This is not a solution.

+1

[BirdsallSa]

BirdsallSa wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

dorktainian wrote...
Shepard: I don’t think so. I’m going to stop the Reapers. But I won’t sacrifice the soul of our species to do it. 

That line is optional. You only get it if you choose the upper option in the first conversation node. My Shepard never says it. 

And it's good it's optional. I hate this line almost beyond anything else in the trilogy.

Precisely! Some Shepards are perfectly willing to sacrifice the soul of their species to stop the Reapers. It's that kind of raw dedication that makes Synthesis supporters a cut above the rest on the BSN.

Let me rephrase. What I mean is, Synthesis supporters aren't expecting sunshine and rainbows with their ending. They realize that there are sacrifices to ending this threat once and for all. If that means adopting the enemy's methods so be it, if it means doing something we know nothing about, so what? The point is, they're willing to do whatever it takes to accomplish the goal. I hear a lot of you whiners complaining about "100 hours into the series and yadi yada yada." Well think about the trillions of hours the Intelligence has spent trying to accomplish his goal. The least we can do is go into things objectively.

[Ticonderoga117]

BirdsallSa wrote...
Let me rephrase. What I mean is, Synthesis supporters aren't expecting sunshine and rainbows with their ending. They realize that there are sacrifices to ending this threat once and for all. If that means adopting the enemy's methods so be it, if it means doing something we know nothing about, so what? The point is, they're willing to do whatever it takes to accomplish the goal. I hear a lot of you whiners complaining about "100 hours into the series and yadi yada yada." Well think about the trillions of hours the Intelligence has spent trying to accomplish his goal. The least we can do is go into things objectively.

Well he sat around and ate cake.
He does nothing to try to curb the issue of synthetics. He doesn't show up in early civ's and go "Don't make AI's. Here is a Reaper to make sure you don't make AI's or any other dangerous tech". He chills in the Citadel, spies on the showers, and then when the giant egg timer goes off, kills anyone capable of using a spear. Then he has the sheer, absolute gall to say he's been trying to solve this issue?! And now I, Commander Shepard, need to actually do something to solve his issue?! To hell with that! He's my issue, and if I can't tell him how compltely stupid he is, he's going to die.

[Wayning_Star]

Ieldra2 wrote...

dorktainian wrote...
Shepard: I don’t think so. I’m going to stop the Reapers. But I won’t sacrifice the soul of our species to do it. 

That line is optional. You only get it if you choose the upper option in the first conversation node. My Shepard never says it. 

And it's good it's optional. I hate this line almost beyond anything else in the trilogy.

we gotta realise, that Shep says this stuff way before understanding in the least, the hidden facts and buried motives.

another reason for me to think the writers were baiting a hook..as it were. Destroy folks fell right into that syntax trap..Me too, till my hind brain says. Waaaait'ah minute here..what the heck it that over there, what did it do and why did it to that? Sump'n mighty fishy about those leviathan/and other hidden power struggles..lore/surfactant fact base,etc..

[dorktainian]

BirdsallSa wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

dorktainian wrote...
Shepard: I don’t think so. I’m going to stop the Reapers. But I won’t sacrifice the soul of our species to do it. 

That line is optional. You only get it if you choose the upper option in the first conversation node. My Shepard never says it. 

And it's good it's optional. I hate this line almost beyond anything else in the trilogy.

Precisely! Some Shepards are perfectly willing to sacrifice the soul of their species to stop the Reapers. It's that kind of raw dedication that makes Synthesis supporters a cut above the rest on the BSN.

Let me rephrase. What I mean is, Synthesis supporters aren't expecting sunshine and rainbows with their ending. They realize that there are sacrifices to ending this threat once and for all. If that means adopting the enemy's methods so be it, if it means doing something we know nothing about, so what? The point is, they're willing to do whatever it takes to accomplish the goal. I hear a lot of you whiners complaining about "100 hours into the series and yadi yada yada." Well think about the trillions of hours the Intelligence has spent trying to accomplish his goal. The least we can do is go into things objectively.

just to be perfectly clear on this - the intelligence is slaughtering entire civillisations without any remorse or concern.  To try to defend it or justify it is abhorent. If you get the chance to kill them..........kill them.  the war will end.  Unless Refusal is the answer..... thats a whole different ballgame.

Modifié par dorktainian, 15 février 2013 - 03:14 .

[BirdsallSa]

dorktainian wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

dorktainian wrote...
Shepard: I don’t think so. I’m going to stop the Reapers. But I won’t sacrifice the soul of our species to do it. 

That line is optional. You only get it if you choose the upper option in the first conversation node. My Shepard never says it. 

And it's good it's optional. I hate this line almost beyond anything else in the trilogy.

Precisely! Some Shepards are perfectly willing to sacrifice the soul of their species to stop the Reapers. It's that kind of raw dedication that makes Synthesis supporters a cut above the rest on the BSN.

Let me rephrase. What I mean is, Synthesis supporters aren't expecting sunshine and rainbows with their ending. They realize that there are sacrifices to ending this threat once and for all. If that means adopting the enemy's methods so be it, if it means doing something we know nothing about, so what? The point is, they're willing to do whatever it takes to accomplish the goal. I hear a lot of you whiners complaining about "100 hours into the series and yadi yada yada." Well think about the trillions of hours the Intelligence has spent trying to accomplish his goal. The least we can do is go into things objectively.

just to be perfectly clear on this - the intelligence is slaughtering entire civillisations without any remorse or concern.  To try to defend it or justify it is abhorent. If you get the chance to kill them..........kill them.  the war will end.

Illusive Man: Your vision is pathetically limited.

[Steelcan]

BirdsallSa wrote...

Precisely! Some Shepards are perfectly willing to sacrifice the soul of their species to stop the Reapers. It's that kind of raw dedication that makes Synthesis supporters a cut above the rest on the BSN.

. That's a personal attack, reported

[dorktainian]

BirdsallSa wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

dorktainian wrote...
Shepard: I don’t think so. I’m going to stop the Reapers. But I won’t sacrifice the soul of our species to do it. 

That line is optional. You only get it if you choose the upper option in the first conversation node. My Shepard never says it. 

And it's good it's optional. I hate this line almost beyond anything else in the trilogy.

Precisely! Some Shepards are perfectly willing to sacrifice the soul of their species to stop the Reapers. It's that kind of raw dedication that makes Synthesis supporters a cut above the rest on the BSN.

Let me rephrase. What I mean is, Synthesis supporters aren't expecting sunshine and rainbows with their ending. They realize that there are sacrifices to ending this threat once and for all. If that means adopting the enemy's methods so be it, if it means doing something we know nothing about, so what? The point is, they're willing to do whatever it takes to accomplish the goal. I hear a lot of you whiners complaining about "100 hours into the series and yadi yada yada." Well think about the trillions of hours the Intelligence has spent trying to accomplish his goal. The least we can do is go into things objectively.

just to be perfectly clear on this - the intelligence is slaughtering entire civillisations without any remorse or concern.  To try to defend it or justify it is abhorent. If you get the chance to kill them..........kill them.  the war will end.

Illusive Man: Your vision is pathetically limited.

yeah tell that to the soldier that died fighting next to you...

[Steelcan]

BirdsallSa wrote...
Illusive Man: Your vision is pathetically limited.

. TIM would not pick Synthesis, had he not been indoctrinated he would have gone for Destroy most likely

[FlyinElk212]

But EVERY choice is incredibly open-ended. Nothing in any ending is conclusive.

The possibilities for such open endedness change depending on what you picked, but to say one option is more boring than the other due to the future it leaves behind is essentially saying, "I just can't think of anything exciting that will happen in that version of the galaxy. So therefore, it's boring."

Modifié par FlyinElk212, 15 février 2013 - 03:25 .

[Ieldra]

dorktainian wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

dorktainian wrote...
Shepard: I don’t think so. I’m going to stop the Reapers. But I won’t sacrifice the soul of our species to do it. 

Just to be absolutely perfectly clear, you still picked Synthebodge after this conversation?  Seriously?

That line is optional. You only get it if you choose the upper option in the first conversation node. My Shepard never says it. 

that line is optional.  the thought isnt.  have fun making fluffy with mass murdering genocidal immortal god like machines wont you?  

I don't believe in pseudomystical crap like the "soul of my species". None of my Shepard would ever use that term in any circumstance whatsoever. It's out of character.

[Ticonderoga117]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I don't believe in pseudomystical crap like the "soul of my species". None of my Shepard would ever use that term in any circumstance whatsoever. It's out of character.

So why did you pick synthesis?

"Add your energy to the Crucible's."

[Wayning_Star]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

But EVERY choice is incredibly open-ended. Nothing in any ending is conclusive.

The possibilities for such open endedness change depending on what you picked, but to say one option is more boring than the other due to the future it leaves behind is essentially saying, "I just can't think of anything exciting that will happen in that version of the galaxy. So therefore, it's boring."

but it's all in the reasoning Why it's boring to the OP, they explain stuff in detail..kind of technical. It's more than just about 'it's boring'..as advanced math and other stuff are boring, or can be...but.