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[Dracian]

TODD 5184 wrote...

All this time, I thought this N7 Link kid was hacking or cheating or something fishy, and turns out its not just legit, but Brojo straight says "working as intended" (though not in those exact words, but you know what I mean).

And FYI, in his latest speedrun, N7-Link only used :

- 0 Thermal clip packs
- 4 Medigels
- 5 Ops Packs
- 9 Missiles

While having Armored Compartments equiped, so only one extra missile compared to what a "normal" player could have access.

From my point of view, all this topic is about jealousy... Jealousy for not being able to solo speedrun platinum, jealousy for not being able to have his/her name recorded somewhere on the BSN, jealousy for not being identified as a "great player"...

There are so much things to fix in this game that are far more important than having 10/10/10/10 or 5/6/6/5 for everyone : PS3 freezing against Collectors, Scion double damage, problems with Shields/Health Gate, connection issues, credits/xp disappearing after each match.

[El Franko]

Wait so the rationality is that the game is not ours, that it constantly keeps changing and evolving to balance out options for everyone. Yet a small amount of people still get to benefit from a original misjudgement, just because their numbers are small and somehow their feeling of loss of equipment after 11 months is somehow greater than any other balancing that may have affected anyone else for the same amount of time?

I don't care for more equipment but if A) there's not that many people playing from those days, then it doesn't matter. If you are still playing then by now you should be good enough to no need it.

I don't think it should been a matter of "not many people complained until now". If gazillion changes have been made, then it should have been a leveled playing field for a long time now.

The gear itself might be meaningless but the fact that a handful of people's loss is somehow greater than any other change or loss that we as a community might not like it is not right.

It shouldn't even be an argument. If 10 or even 6 of everything breaks the game then so be it, for everyone.

[Computron2000]

El Franko wrote...
I don't think it should been a matter of "not many people complained until now". If gazillion changes have been made, then it should have been a leveled playing field for a long time now.

The gear itself might be meaningless but the fact that a handful of people's loss is somehow greater than any other change or loss that we as a community might not like it is not right.

It shouldn't even be an argument. If 10 or even 6 of everything breaks the game then so be it, for everyone.

Exactly.

For a level playing field we must insitute a cap of 2. That way everyone is on the same footing for consumables. Further from that we will have to look at removing everything except starter weapons as well.

For fairness, we must insitute a cap of 1. That way EVERYONE PAYS. Not just people with a cap of 6, not just people with a cap above 6 and even the newbies will pay. if anyone avoids feeling the pinch, then it is not fair to those who have to pay.

So its up to what people want. A level playing field or fairness

Modifié par Computron2000, 15 février 2013 - 08:57 .

[HolyAvenger]

El Franko wrote...


It shouldn't even be an argument. If 10 or even 6 of everything breaks the game then so be it, for everyone.

How about we don't throw out the baby with the bathwater

[Liefglinde]

I typically don't care about such things, but here's my problem. Doesn't N7 Link currently hold the record for fastest solo Platinum run? He has more than the current limit on consumables, though I don't remember which specifically.

So now can his clear time still be considered legitimate since he technically had an advantage?

EDIT: And if the answer to my previous question is "no," how is that fair to Link and others like him?

Modifié par Liefglinde, 15 février 2013 - 09:34 .

[HolyAvenger]

Liefglinde wrote...

I typically don't care about such things, but here's my problem. Doesn't N7 Link currently hold the record for fastest solo Platinum run? He has more than the current limit on consumables, though I don't remember which specifically.

So now can his clear time still be considered legitimate since he technically had an advantage?

EDIT: And if the answer to my previous question is "no," how is that fair to Link and others like him?

This is up to the community to decide since plat solos speedruns are not something that BioWare officially care about.

[Liefglinde]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Liefglinde wrote...

I typically don't care about such things, but here's my problem. Doesn't N7 Link currently hold the record for fastest solo Platinum run? He has more than the current limit on consumables, though I don't remember which specifically.

So now can his clear time still be considered legitimate since he technically had an advantage?

EDIT: And if the answer to my previous question is "no," how is that fair to Link and others like him?

This is up to the community to decide since plat solos speedruns are not something that BioWare officially care about.

I never stated otherwise. My point still stands.

[Dracian]

Liefglinde wrote...

I typically don't care about such things, but here's my problem. Doesn't N7 Link currently hold the record for fastest solo Platinum run? He has more than the current limit on consumables, though I don't remember which specifically.

So now can his clear time still be considered legitimate since he technically had an advantage?

EDIT: And if the answer to my previous question is "no," how is that fair to Link and others like him?

I'll quote what I said a few replies before yours :

Dracian wrote...

And FYI, in his latest speedrun, N7-Link only used :

- 0 Thermal clip packs
- 4 Medigels
- 5 Ops Packs
- 9 Missiles

While having Armored Compartments equiped, so only one extra missile compared to what a "normal" player could have access.

From my point of view, all this topic is about jealousy... Jealousy for not being able to solo speedrun platinum, jealousy for not being able to have his/her name recorded somewhere on the BSN, jealousy for not being identified as a "great player"...

There are so much things to fix in this game that are far more important than having 10/10/10/10 or 5/6/6/5 for everyone : PS3 freezing against Collectors, Scion double damage, problems with Shields/Health Gate, connection issues, credits/xp disappearing after each match.

Modifié par Dracian, 15 février 2013 - 09:39 .

[darkpassenger2342]

Lance Armstrong had extra consumables.

[Liefglinde]

Dracian wrote...

Liefglinde wrote...

I typically don't care about such things, but here's my problem. Doesn't N7 Link currently hold the record for fastest solo Platinum run? He has more than the current limit on consumables, though I don't remember which specifically.

So now can his clear time still be considered legitimate since he technically had an advantage?

EDIT: And if the answer to my previous question is "no," how is that fair to Link and others like him?

I'll quote what I said a few replies before yours :

Dracian wrote...

And FYI, in his latest speedrun, N7-Link only used :

- 0 Thermal clip packs
- 4 Medigels
- 5 Ops Packs
- 9 Missiles

While having Armored Compartments equiped, so only one extra missile compared to what a "normal" player could have access.

From my point of view, all this topic is about jealousy... Jealousy for not being able to solo speedrun platinum, jealousy for not being able to have his/her name recorded somewhere on the BSN, jealousy for not being identified as a "great player"...

There are so much things to fix in this game that are far more important than having 10/10/10/10 or 5/6/6/5 for everyone : PS3 freezing against Collectors, Scion double damage, problems with Shields/Health Gate, connection issues, credits/xp disappearing after each match.

Had he not used that extra missile, would he have still completed the run? Probably. Would it have been as fast? No. No matter how you look at it, it is still an advantage.

[HolyAvenger]

Liefglinde wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Liefglinde wrote...

I typically don't care about such things, but here's my problem. Doesn't N7 Link currently hold the record for fastest solo Platinum run? He has more than the current limit on consumables, though I don't remember which specifically.

So now can his clear time still be considered legitimate since he technically had an advantage?

EDIT: And if the answer to my previous question is "no," how is that fair to Link and others like him?

This is up to the community to decide since plat solos speedruns are not something that BioWare officially care about.

I never stated otherwise. My point still stands.

Your point is then asking for a purely subjective opinion and doesn't really have much to do with a thread asking BioWare to remove said cap or consumables.

In my eyes it is completely legit yes, he is only using the tools available to him.

[Liefglinde]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Liefglinde wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Liefglinde wrote...

I typically don't care about such things, but here's my problem. Doesn't N7 Link currently hold the record for fastest solo Platinum run? He has more than the current limit on consumables, though I don't remember which specifically.

So now can his clear time still be considered legitimate since he technically had an advantage?

EDIT: And if the answer to my previous question is "no," how is that fair to Link and others like him?

This is up to the community to decide since plat solos speedruns are not something that BioWare officially care about.

I never stated otherwise. My point still stands.

Your point is then asking for a purely subjective opinion and doesn't really have much to do with a thread asking BioWare to remove said cap or consumables.

In my eyes it is completely legit yes, he is only using the tools available to him.

I stated my opinion regarding a request to Bioware to alter something in the game. Also, not only is "subjective opinion" redundant, it was a hypothetical question.

And in my eyes, no, I do not think it is completely legitimate. He used tools that 99% of this game's population does not have access to (the extra missile).

I'm not going to sit here and argue that Bioware should go and give everyone 10 of each consumable. I think it's just an example of something that went wrong and isn't worth the time or effort to fix. But at the same time, I'm not going to accept that any feats accomplished with these additional consumables are legitimate, because very few players can complete the task with the same resources.

Basically, had Link not used that extra missile, his time would not have been as fast. Most other players, put in precisely the same situation, would have had longer times because they didn't have an extra missile.

Finally, as a disclaimer, I am not saying that Link is a bad player by any means. He is just the most convenient example in this case.

[Dracian]

Liefglinde wrote...

Dracian wrote...

Liefglinde wrote...

I typically don't care about such things, but here's my problem. Doesn't N7 Link currently hold the record for fastest solo Platinum run? He has more than the current limit on consumables, though I don't remember which specifically.

So now can his clear time still be considered legitimate since he technically had an advantage?

EDIT: And if the answer to my previous question is "no," how is that fair to Link and others like him?

I'll quote what I said a few replies before yours :

Dracian wrote...

And FYI, in his latest speedrun, N7-Link only used :

- 0 Thermal clip packs
- 4 Medigels
- 5 Ops Packs
- 9 Missiles

While having Armored Compartments equiped, so only one extra missile compared to what a "normal" player could have access.

From my point of view, all this topic is about jealousy... Jealousy for not being able to solo speedrun platinum, jealousy for not being able to have his/her name recorded somewhere on the BSN, jealousy for not being identified as a "great player"...

There are so much things to fix in this game that are far more important than having 10/10/10/10 or 5/6/6/5 for everyone : PS3 freezing against Collectors, Scion double damage, problems with Shields/Health Gate, connection issues, credits/xp disappearing after each match.

Had he not used that extra missile, would he have still completed the run? Probably. Would it have been as fast? No. No matter how you look at it, it is still an advantage.

How to replace a Missile with a Hurricane :

1. Start shooting. Do not even try to aim.
2. Use Thermal Clip Pack
3. Use Thermal Clip Pack
4. Use Thermal Clip Pack
5. Use Thermal Clip Pack
6. Use Thermal Clip Pack

With a +500% Damage, you turn your Hurricane X into a weapon of mass destruction. Run would have been completed without a single doubt. That fast ? Yes. It would simply have been 10-20 seconds longer knowing that the 2nd fastest time recorded on the BSN is 27:32 minutes, that leaves a huge margin...

[HolyAvenger]

Liefglinde wrote...


I stated my opinion regarding a request to Bioware to alter something in the game. Also, not only is "subjective opinion" redundant, it was a hypothetical question.

And in my eyes, no, I do not think it is completely legitimate. He used tools that 99% of this game's population does not have access to (the extra missile).

I'm not going to sit here and argue that Bioware should go and give everyone 10 of each consumable. I think it's just an example of something that went wrong and isn't worth the time or effort to fix. But at the same time, I'm not going to accept that any feats accomplished with these additional consumables are legitimate, because very few players can complete the task with the same resources.

Basically, had Link not used that extra missile, his time would not have been as fast. Most other players, put in precisely the same situation, would have had longer times because they didn't have an extra missile.

Finally, as a disclaimer, I am not saying that Link is a bad player by any means. He is just the most convenient example in this case.

Fine IDGAF if you don't think its legitimate.

I just don't want BioWare going and giving 10 missile capacity to everyone

[Liefglinde]

Dracian wrote...

Liefglinde wrote...

Dracian wrote...

Liefglinde wrote...

I typically don't care about such things, but here's my problem. Doesn't N7 Link currently hold the record for fastest solo Platinum run? He has more than the current limit on consumables, though I don't remember which specifically.

So now can his clear time still be considered legitimate since he technically had an advantage?

EDIT: And if the answer to my previous question is "no," how is that fair to Link and others like him?

I'll quote what I said a few replies before yours :

Dracian wrote...

And FYI, in his latest speedrun, N7-Link only used :

- 0 Thermal clip packs
- 4 Medigels
- 5 Ops Packs
- 9 Missiles

While having Armored Compartments equiped, so only one extra missile compared to what a "normal" player could have access.

From my point of view, all this topic is about jealousy... Jealousy for not being able to solo speedrun platinum, jealousy for not being able to have his/her name recorded somewhere on the BSN, jealousy for not being identified as a "great player"...

There are so much things to fix in this game that are far more important than having 10/10/10/10 or 5/6/6/5 for everyone : PS3 freezing against Collectors, Scion double damage, problems with Shields/Health Gate, connection issues, credits/xp disappearing after each match.

Had he not used that extra missile, would he have still completed the run? Probably. Would it have been as fast? No. No matter how you look at it, it is still an advantage.

How to replace a Missile with a Hurricane :

1. Start shooting. Do not even try to aim.
2. Use Thermal Clip Pack
3. Use Thermal Clip Pack
4. Use Thermal Clip Pack
5. Use Thermal Clip Pack
6. Use Thermal Clip Pack

With a +500% Damage, you turn your Hurricane X into a weapon of mass destruction. Run would have been completed without a single doubt. That fast ? Yes. It would simply have been 10-20 seconds longer knowing that the 2nd fastest time recorded on the BSN is 27:32 minutes, that leaves a huge margin...

You can theorize and come up with scenarios all you like. Again, I'm not saying that someone else would have had a faster time. I'm not saying that Link is a bad player. I'm not saying he even needed that extra missile.

What I am saying is that I do not consider his clear time legitimate because of the extra missile. You yourself admitted that the run would have been 10-20 seconds longer. That's the only point I was trying to make; that there would have been a difference in clear time.

[Liefglinde]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Liefglinde wrote...


I stated my opinion regarding a request to Bioware to alter something in the game. Also, not only is "subjective opinion" redundant, it was a hypothetical question.

And in my eyes, no, I do not think it is completely legitimate. He used tools that 99% of this game's population does not have access to (the extra missile).

I'm not going to sit here and argue that Bioware should go and give everyone 10 of each consumable. I think it's just an example of something that went wrong and isn't worth the time or effort to fix. But at the same time, I'm not going to accept that any feats accomplished with these additional consumables are legitimate, because very few players can complete the task with the same resources.

Basically, had Link not used that extra missile, his time would not have been as fast. Most other players, put in precisely the same situation, would have had longer times because they didn't have an extra missile.

Finally, as a disclaimer, I am not saying that Link is a bad player by any means. He is just the most convenient example in this case.

Fine IDGAF if you don't think its legitimate.

I just don't want BioWare going and giving 10 missile capacity to everyone

Do you even read my posts before you comment?

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

Lance Armstrong had extra consumables.

Lol. Thanks for making me look crazy at work.

On topic, I missed out on maxing them because I started playing MP late, and have no problem with being one of the unlucky ones. I definitely don't think it should be an issue now.

[darkpassenger2342]

b00g13man wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

Lance Armstrong had extra consumables.

Lol. Thanks for making me look crazy at work.

On topic, I missed out on maxing them because I started playing MP late, and have no problem with being one of the unlucky ones. I definitely don't think it should be an issue now.

np, its just a joke btw i am not concerned either way.
couldnt resist<_<

[noxpanda]

b00g13man wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

Lance Armstrong had extra consumables.

Lol. Thanks for making me look crazy at work.

On topic, I missed out on maxing them because I started playing MP late, and have no problem with being one of the unlucky ones. I definitely don't think it should be an issue now.

Hah i was here since the beta! I was def playing and playing a lot during that time window! Do you wanna know how many extra consumables i got?! 0!! Do i care? Not in the slightest!

Who even cares about speedruns? Id prefer a game that for everyone else didnt suddenly become 'lolz eazymode' with 50 missiles per team per match. I rarely stop to even watch ME3 videos, but when i do, i like to watch peoples reaction speeds, skill with weapon x, tactic for dealing with y mob and amusing commentary. The speed is never something i even bother to look for.

[HolyAvenger]

Liefglinde wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Liefglinde wrote...


I stated my opinion regarding a request to Bioware to alter something in the game. Also, not only is "subjective opinion" redundant, it was a hypothetical question.

And in my eyes, no, I do not think it is completely legitimate. He used tools that 99% of this game's population does not have access to (the extra missile).

I'm not going to sit here and argue that Bioware should go and give everyone 10 of each consumable. I think it's just an example of something that went wrong and isn't worth the time or effort to fix. But at the same time, I'm not going to accept that any feats accomplished with these additional consumables are legitimate, because very few players can complete the task with the same resources.

Basically, had Link not used that extra missile, his time would not have been as fast. Most other players, put in precisely the same situation, would have had longer times because they didn't have an extra missile.

Finally, as a disclaimer, I am not saying that Link is a bad player by any means. He is just the most convenient example in this case.

Fine IDGAF if you don't think its legitimate.

I just don't want BioWare going and giving 10 missile capacity to everyone

Do you even read my posts before you comment?

I read your post and did not argue with it.

You have your opinion on Link's solo and I have mine.

But this thread is about petitioning BioWare to raise the cap and I'm not for that at all. If you want to talk about the "legitimacy" of a solo, who cares, get a life.

[Dracian]

Liefglinde wrote...

You can theorize and come up with scenarios all you like. Again, I'm not saying that someone else would have had a faster time. I'm not saying that Link is a bad player. I'm not saying he even needed that extra missile.

What I am saying is that I do not consider his clear time legitimate because of the extra missile. You yourself admitted that the run would have been 10-20 seconds longer. That's the only point I was trying to make; that there would have been a difference in clear time.

I'll join HolyAvenger saying that I don't give a flying f*** about what you consider legitimate and what you don't consider legitimate... Link holds the record for the fastest platinum solo in 21 minutes and a few seconds. And people wanting everything to be at 10/10/10/10 for great justice are simply jelly.

'nuff said.

Modifié par Dracian, 15 février 2013 - 10:09 .

[Cohen le Barbare]

Liefglinde,

What about the large number of people who abused the Krysae (I'm not talking about missile glitchers here) before it was nerfed to the ground? Should they have part of their manifest/credits removed because some other players didn't use/have the weapon at the time?

If the game were a competitive multiplayer, I could see your point, but as it stands, I see it as a good thing: if I end up in such a lobby, I have more chance to extract.

You should really take a step back and accept this is a game and it shouldn't upset you as much.

[Bolo Xia]

people keep saying they would be happy to be in a lobby with someone with extra consumables, because it would be a good thing or help them win.

then why were you guys not happy when you entered into a lobby with a cheat or a pre-nerf krysae user?
it would be a good thing right, because it would help you win, so how is a dude with extra consumables any different?

is that like, well if people only cheated or use the pre-nerf krysae just a little, like once per round then it would be ok?

im really curious why that argument is being made, because right when you get down to it, it makes no sense.

i get how it would destroy balance if everyone had 10 of whatever, but that argument up there just doesnt hold water.

[HolyAvenger]

^Actually, I probably wouldn't be happy if someone was in the lobby iwth 13 missiles and proceeded to nuke all the spawns.

But since the problem is so minor that I've never run across it before, limited to a handful of active players in a player base of thousands, I find all the whining ridiculous.

[Bolo Xia]

so me asking why an argument is being used that makes no sense some how translates out to me being a whiner?

okay dokey then