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[frylock23]

I've only ever romanced Kaidan as a FemShep, but Garrus would be my second choice.

 

Jacob, from what I've seen has got to be the epitome of bad romance. But, it does make a certain kind of sense what he did. Jacob strikes me as the kind of guy who needs to be the White Knight to his lady to feel a sense of worth in the relationship, but he has a taste in strong, very capable women. How was he ever going to be the White Knight to someone like a Miranda, or even worse, FemShep? He wasn't. But Dr. Cole ... she's very capable mentally, but still is the damsel in distress who needs her White Knight. That's something Jacob can do and does. Is it all that surprising he satisfies that itch with Dr. Cole and falls for her? She's the capable lady who still needs him to ride to the rescue where at best with Miranda and FemShep he could only ever hope to be a partner or respected subordinate.

[dreamgazer]

Oh man, poor Liz Szroka. You know it probably wouldn't even have been this bad if it weren't for Tali's filter.

But I've gone karaoke singing with my girlfriend before and I have to say the scene is kinda accurate with all its awkwardness.

 

Seems like a good chunk of the BSN hasn't experienced a Disney-movie (or general musical) singalong with someone who can't really sing and doesn't give a crap that they can't sing, especially a significant other.   I've been on the receiving end of the standing-up, the hand-holding, and the blurted lyrics during a movie's song on a few different occasions.  Like you said, kinda accurate.  

[Han Shot First]

Seems like a good chunk of the BSN hasn't experienced a Disney-movie (or general musical) singalong with someone who can't really sing and doesn't give a crap that they can't sing, especially a significant other.   I've been on the receiving end of the standing-up, the hand-holding, and the blurted lyrics during a movie's song on a few different occasions.  Like you said, kinda accurate.  

 

Its not that the scene is unrealistic, its just that the scene doesn't work. It was one of the few misfires of the Citadel DLC.

[xAmilli0n]

I always thought the Garrus romance developed well over all 3 games.  Probably my favorite.  I also liked Miranda's but that involved a bit of headcanon outside of what was shown.

 

Worst...Jacob?  Sure lets go with that.

[Fixers0]

I always thought the Garrus romance developed well over all 3 games.  Probably my favorite.  I also liked Miranda's but that involved a bit of headcanon outside of what was shown.

 

 

 

Except you can only romance Garrus in Mass Effect 2&3. as well as being completely optional in the first game.

[zestalyn]

Except you can only romance Garrus in Mass Effect 2&3. as well as being completely optional in the first game.

In a way you can include ME1 as part of the romance's development, which makes it more realistic, especially for a cross-species relationship. In 1 he was naive. impressionable, and looked up to Shepard. Makes sense you can only start a romance in 2, where he is alot more mature/confident/experienced. 
 

 

Its not that the scene is unrealistic, its just that the scene doesn't work. It was one of the few misfires of the Citadel DLC.

Word. Romance movies don't show couples failing at dramatic renditions of 'My Heart Will Go On', unless for comedic effect, because people aren't paying to see that lol. 

[xAmilli0n]

Except you can only romance Garrus in Mass Effect 2&3. as well as being completely optional in the first game.

 

Sure, but I found the interaction progressed from ME1 (which was not romantic) to ME2 and ME3 worked very well.  And obviously, if you don't pick up Garrus it wont work as well,  but why would you do that?

[Oni Changas]

Miranda. This dumb broad runs across the galaxy by herself to find her equally dumb sister, a situation which lasts MONTHS. When all she had to do was ring up Shepard and join the Normandy (the uber stealth ship with a reaper AI & IFF) and her daddy issues would have been over before it began. I hate ME3 Miranda...

[andy6915]

In a way you can include ME1 as part of the romance's development, which makes it more realistic, especially for a cross-species relationship. In 1 he was naive. impressionable, and looked up to Shepard. Makes sense you can only start a romance in 2, where he is alot more mature/confident/experienced.

Yeah, part of why I enjoy the Garrus and Tali romances. It always bugged me how fast you and someone else hook up in ME1. I mean, Liara is practically in love with you upon pretty much the first conversation. But with Garrus and Tali, the romance happens after going through a lot of stuff together and knowing each other over the course of a fair bit of time (2 years technically, but several months of active time together factoring in both games), and all that time is there for the relationship to feel like it really did actually develop instead of just being spontaneous. It's not 3 or 4 conversations and then you're apparently in love, it's more an entire game (ME1) and a half (ME2) of growing closer and closer until 1 day the topic comes up and they decide to go for it. Hell, sometimes it's more than a game and a half, saving their loyalty mission for last has you being about 85% through the game before the romance is even brought up the first time.

 

And I certainly do count ME1 in the romance even if only unofficially. Tali herself says that most of her "falling in love" with Shepard happened in the first game, which proves the romance was already budding in ME1 even if it wasn't obvious.

 

So yeah, I actually like that it takes so long for them to finally be romance options, because it taking a while to build to that point feels far more natural and realistic then "I love you already even though we've talked a whole 1 time".

[Mordokai]

And I certainly do count ME1 in the romance even if only unofficially. Tali herself says that most of her "falling in love" with Shepard happened in the first game, which proves the romance was already budding in ME1 even if it wasn't obvious.

 

So wait, it's unrealistic for Liara to fall in love with Shepard in the first game, but totally fine with Tali, if only because she admits it later?

 

Help me understand your logic, because I can't do it on my own.

[jtav]

Please don;t hurt me Tali fans, but all my attempts to do her romance have ended with me really uncomfortable because it feels like it uses her crush and enforced virginity as another way for Shep to be awesome and superspecial, kind of fetishizing it. I've been the socially awkward kid with the crush on the authority figure and it didn't go nearly so well.

[Fixers0]

Yeah, part of why I enjoy the Garrus and Tali romances. It always bugged me how fast you and someone else hook up in ME1. I mean, Liara is practically in love with you upon pretty much the first conversation. But with Garrus and Tali, the romance happens after going through a lot of stuff together and knowing each other over the course of a fair bit of time (2 years technically, but several months of active time together factoring in both games), and all that time is there for the relationship to feel like it really did actually develop instead of just being spontaneous. It's not 3 or 4 conversations and then you're apparently in love, it's more an entire game (ME1) and a half (ME2) of growing closer and closer until 1 day the topic comes up and they decide to go for it. Hell, sometimes it's more than a game and a half, saving their loyalty mission for last has you being about 85% through the game before the romance is even brought up the first time.

 

And I certainly do count ME1 in the romance even if only unofficially. Tali herself says that most of her "falling in love" with Shepard happened in the first game, which proves the romance was already budding in ME1 even if it wasn't obvious.

 

So yeah, I actually like that it takes so long for them to finally be romance options, because it taking a while to build to that point feels far more natural and realistic then "I love you already even though we've talked a whole 1 time".

 

 

Unfortunantly it doesn't work that way in practice. You could for example threat, them like trash in the first game and than romance them in the second, but more than that: The interaction  in the frist game is the same regardless on whether you romance them or not. meaning that it's not in any way relevant for the romance that may or may not come later.

[DeinonSlayer]

So wait, it's unrealistic for Liara to fall in love with Shepard in the first game, but totally fine with Tali, if only because she admits it later?

Help me understand your logic, because I can't do it on my own.

Point is it took a more believable amount of time for anything more serious than a fling to develop. The VS, at least, was around for a while. Liara was the worst offender in ME1; I had to cock an eyebrow when she came on to Shepard the second time I spoke to her on the ship. I'd say Garrus was the most gradual; in ME2 it seemed more of a "friends with benefits" arrangement and he's classy if you break it off, it's only in 3 that he starts talking as a commitment.

I've seen a lot of Liaramancers on these boards express frustration with her content in ME3; cold, aloof, constantly needing to reaffirm the relationship (versus non-Liaramancers who feel she's constantly being shoved in their faces). With Garrus, IIRC there's two confirmation points (one immediately after Menae, another on the bridge to "seal the deal"). With Tali, you invite her to the cabin, confirm it, and after that there is no question.

Please don;t hurt me Tali fans, but all my attempts to do her romance have ended with me really uncomfortable because it feels like it uses her crush and enforced virginity as another way for Shep to be awesome and superspecial, kind of fetishizing it. I've been the socially awkward kid with the crush on the authority figure and it didn't go nearly so well.

Depends largely on the dialogue you choose. It's not everyone's cup of tea, and there's nothing wrong with that. I found some of the paragon options in the ME2 Tali romance winceworthy.

[Livi14]

Yeah, part of why I enjoy the Garrus and Tali romances. It always bugged me how fast you and someone else hook up in ME1. I mean, Liara is practically in love with you upon pretty much the first conversation. But with Garrus and Tali, the romance happens after going through a lot of stuff together and knowing each other over the course of a fair bit of time (2 years technically, but several months of active time together factoring in both games), and all that time is there for the relationship to feel like it really did actually develop instead of just being spontaneous. It's not 3 or 4 conversations and then you're apparently in love, it's more an entire game (ME1) and a half (ME2) of growing closer and closer until 1 day the topic comes up and they decide to go for it. Hell, sometimes it's more than a game and a half, saving their loyalty mission for last has you being about 85% through the game before the romance is even brought up the first time.

 

And I certainly do count ME1 in the romance even if only unofficially. Tali herself says that most of her "falling in love" with Shepard happened in the first game, which proves the romance was already budding in ME1 even if it wasn't obvious.

 

So yeah, I actually like that it takes so long for them to finally be romance options, because it taking a while to build to that point feels far more natural and realistic then "I love you already even though we've talked a whole 1 time".

 

Tali had absolutely no ME1 romantic content. If there was even hints of it in ME1, I'd agree with you. Instead, they just threw it on in ME2. Compare this with Samara. There are hints of her interest in Shepard in ME2 so it is natural that she's available for a romance in Citadel. The pacing of Tali's romance is just horrible.

ME1 Tali is basically just a walking Quarian encyclopedia.
ME2 Tali: I always loved you!!!!

The pacing of Garrus and Liara's romances just seems right. The length of time it takes Liara to admit she feels a connection in ME1 is very fast. However, once she does, there's progression dialogues where you can see that connection growing. Same with Garrus.

[Reorte]

Please don;t hurt me Tali fans, but all my attempts to do her romance have ended with me really uncomfortable because it feels like it uses her crush and enforced virginity as another way for Shep to be awesome and superspecial, kind of fetishizing it. I've been the socially awkward kid with the crush on the authority figure and it didn't go nearly so well.

I suppose it depends upon how you and / or your Shepard views Tali in return. I'd probably feel uncomfortable romancing characters I didn't personally have any attraction to (even if I don't dislike them).

[jtav]

Point is it took a more believable amount of time for anything more serious than a fling to develop. The VS, at least, was around for a while. Liara was the worst offender in ME1; I had to **** an eyebrow when she came on to Shepard the second time I spoke to her on the ship. I'd say Garrus was the most gradual; in ME2 it seemed more of a "friends with benefits" arrangement and he's classy if you break it off, it's only in 3 that he starts talking as a commitment.

I've seen a lot of Liaramancers on these boards express frustration with her content in ME3; cold, aloof, constantly needing to reaffirm the relationship (versus non-Liaramancers who feel she's constantly being shoved in their faces). With Garrus, IIRC there's two confirmation points (one immediately after Menae, another on the bridge to "seal the deal"). With Tali, you invite her to the cabin, confirm it, and after that there is no question.

Technically, aren't there two for Tali? When she first comes aboard and her lock in? But I think the import-only nature benefits all the ME2 romances. The writers can say "this definitely happened" so the actual lock in can be about progressing the romance, like Garrus' proposal or at least not the same "do you still like me?" that the ME1 romances use because they can be new romances.

[DeinonSlayer]

Technically, aren't there two for Tali? When she first comes aboard and her lock in? But I think the import-only nature benefits all the ME2 romances. The writers can say "this definitely happened" so the actual lock in can be about progressing the romance, like Garrus' proposal or at least not the same "do you still like me?" that the ME1 romances use because they can be new romances.

True, I'd forgotten that. Those conversations with her usually happen bare minutes apart, though, so it's easy to forget.

[Mordokai]

Point is it took a more believable amount of time for anything more serious than a fling to develop. The VS, at least, was around for a while. Liara was the worst offender in ME1; I had to **** an eyebrow when she came on to Shepard the second time I spoke to her on the ship. I'd say Garrus was the most gradual; in ME2 it seemed more of a "friends with benefits" arrangement and he's classy if you break it off, it's only in 3 that he starts talking as a commitment.

I've seen a lot of Liaramancers on these boards express frustration with her content in ME3; cold, aloof, constantly needing to reaffirm the relationship (versus non-Liaramancers who feel she's constantly being shoved in their faces). With Garrus, IIRC there's two confirmation points (one immediately after Menae, another on the bridge to "seal the deal"). With Tali, you invite her to the cabin, confirm it, and after that there is no question.

 

You know, I would love to continue this discussion, I really would, since from what I've seen so far, you're actually one of the few reasonable people around here who is capable of having a civil discussion. Sadly, these kinds of discussions(aka, pretty much anything Liara related) tends to bring out the worst in human and I don't trust my inner troll to be held in check if that happens. And I don't want to turn this thread ugly.

 

So I'll just say I disagree with you in certain points and agree in others and call it a day.

[jtav]

I suppose it depends upon how you and / or your Shepard views Tali in return. I'd probably feel uncomfortable romancing characters I didn't personally have any attraction to (even if I don't dislike them).

Well it's more "Hello freshman year of college that I'd tried desperately to forget about. Backing away now.." But I have noticed I don't respond particularly well to any mShep romance so...*shrug*

[xAmilli0n]

I'd say Garrus was the most gradual; in ME2 it seemed more of a "friends with benefits" arrangement and he's classy if you break it off, it's only in 3 that he starts talking as a commitment.

 

Exactly. Thats why I thought I worked so well.  I didn't quite get that from the others, though with a little headcanon most of them work fine.

[Iakus]

Technically, aren't there two for Tali? When she first comes aboard and her lock in? But I think the import-only nature benefits all the ME2 romances. The writers can say "this definitely happened" so the actual lock in can be about progressing the romance, like Garrus' proposal or at least not the same "do you still like me?" that the ME1 romances use because they can be new romances.

 

Yeah it's kind of wierd with Ash.

 

On Mars you can keep reassuring her that "I'm still that guy" and "I want you with me wherever this takes us"

in the hospital you can go "It's always been you"

 

Yet on the Citadel you still have to confirm yet again that you still want her.

[jtav]

Okay Iakus, you know me pretty well. The bits you quote sound pretty romantic. Worth putting up with MShep for three games?

[Keyira]

Best as femshep: Garrus
Worst as femshep: Jacob alias the priiize

Best as maleshep: Tali or Liara
Worst as maleshep: Kaiden (it just freaked me out, because it came out of nowhere)

[Iakus]

Okay Iakus, you know me pretty well. The bits you quote sound pretty romantic. Worth putting up with MShep for three games?

 

Well, I've never had a problem with MShep in general.

 

Unfortuantely those are pretty much the only parts where the romance was really addressed.  As I've said before, after the coup, she goes mute.

 

I'm one of the few people who didn't really have a problem with Mars. 

[Excella Gionne]

Best as femshep: Garrus
Worst as femshep: Jacob alias the priiize

Best as maleshep: Tali or Liara
Worst as maleshep: Kaiden (it just freaked me out, because it came out of nowhere)

Jacob's romance is worth doing just so you can slap him, but if you don't have the CItadel DLC, it's probably not worth it.

 

Kaidan's MaleShep romance was actually pretty good, and it's much better if imported like I did. Kaidan is someone who loves Shepard regardless of gender. Kaidan being bisexual was no surprise since Mass Effect 1.