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[Excella Gionne]

Thus why I rate his above Jacob's

I give Jacob's some points for the renegade slap! Satisfying! 

[Iakus]

Yeah but my list excludes Citadel content

[Excella Gionne]

Yeah but my list excludes Citadel content

Well, if you put it that way, it's a no-brainer. Imagine Jacob tells Renegade Shep that he broke up with her, the scene cuts to black and Shepard and the squadmates are riding the shuttle away from the base as it blows up to smithereens. I call that a victory!

[Han Shot First]

I feel sorry for the 12 people that romanced Jacob in ME2.

[Steelcan]

in terms of best content?  Liara

 

My personal favorite is Miranda

[von uber]

I like the way Samara turns you down in ME2 and how gutted Shep looks.

[jtav]

Am I the only one who thinks Sam's romance is an absolute blast? It's like Miranda's without Shep being pushy.

[dreamgazer]

Am I the only one who thinks Sam's romance is an absolute blast? It's like Miranda's without Shep being pushy.

Absolutely not. Excluding the silly shower scene, it's great.

Sam ends up being a really unique fit for MelisandreShep (ruthless renegade adept, originally my "no romance" run aside from Kelly) at the end of the trilogy.

[themikefest]

Am I the only one who thinks Sam's romance is an absolute blast? It's like Miranda's without Shep being pushy.

Of course not. She's the best.

[Sir DeLoria]

I honestly don't get BW's obsession with virginity. I never understood why there where so many adult-virgin romance options(Liara, Tali, Alistair, Merrill etc) and especially why this element was emphasized on so much in their respective romances. Don't get me wrong, I liked Tali's and Alistair's romances a lot, but I really don't get why they had to do this.

[guigaccess]

And Garrus.

 

I mean, c'mon, we saw him on that bar...

[DeinonSlayer]

I honestly don't get BW's obsession with virginity. I never understood why there where so many adult-virgin romance options(Liara, Tali, Alistair, Merrill etc) and especially why this element was emphasized on so much in their respective romances. Don't get me wrong, I liked Tali's and Alistair's romances a lot, but I really don't get why they had to do this.

It made sense for those two characters at least. One was the daughter of an Admiral and confined to a biomechanical suit due to a dangerously weak immune system, and the other was cloistered away in a religious order since childhood where (as we see with the bewitched templar in the Circle Tower) many ultimately resent their vows and yearn for that kind of connection. It makes sense for them to be virgins. I can't speak for Merrill in DA2 because I haven't played it, but 1XX-year-old Liara... I can absolutely see what you're saying.

It doesn't need to (and likely shouldn't) be emphasized much, but it isn't a problem in itself. Sometimes it works for a character, and sometimes it doesn't.

At the risk of turning this into one of THOSE threads, I don't get BW's obsession with bisexuals - they're even more prevalent in their IPs than virgins. One could argue that compared to the general population (between 3-6 percent on average according to surveys in multiple countries, spiking to 10% in certain cities like Washington DC), homosexual characters are vastly overrepresented in modern media as well. That's not at all saying they should be excluded, of course, that's simply demographics.

[naddaya]

And Garrus.

 

I mean, c'mon, we saw him on that bar...

 

He had reach though

[zestalyn]

And Garrus.

 

I mean, c'mon, we saw him on that bar...

 

on the bar? am I missing out on a tabletop dancing Garrus?? 

bad jokes aside, what are you referring to? 
 

At the risk of turning this into one of THOSE threads, I don't get BW's obsession with bisexuals - they're even more prevalent in their IPs than virgins. One could argue that compared to the general population (between 3-6 percent on average according to surveys in multiple countries, spiking to 10% in certain cities like Washington DC), homosexual characters are vastly overrepresented in modern media as well. That's not at all saying they should be excluded, of course, that's simply demographics.

Wellll, I'd say that the universes represented in ME and DA have nothing to do with our own present day demographics. In DA, sure it's a pseduo-medieval setting, but it has no relationship to our 15th century Europe, there's nothing to say that bisexuality can't be common. It is complete fantasy. In ME, we're talking about a huge intergalactic community in the 22nd century, where sexuality norms are bound to be atleast a little different from what we see right now on Earth. 

[naddaya]

on the bar? am I missing out on a tabletop dancing Garrus?? 

bad jokes aside, what are you referring to? 
 

 

If you don't romance him in the citadel DLC he asks you to meet him at the bar and he's very awkward around a female Turian.

[KaiserShep]

I honestly don't get BW's obsession with virginity. I never understood why there where so many adult-virgin romance options(Liara, Tali, Alistair, Merrill etc) and especially why this element was emphasized on so much in their respective romances. Don't get me wrong, I liked Tali's and Alistair's romances a lot, but I really don't get why they had to do this.

 

Well, at least there's Garrus to serve as the exception with his reach-and-flexibility story.

 

At the risk of turning this into one of THOSE threads, I don't get BW's obsession with bisexuals - they're even more prevalent in their IPs than virgins. One could argue that compared to the general population (between 3-6 percent on average according to surveys in multiple countries, spiking to 10% in certain cities like Washington DC), homosexual characters are vastly overrepresented in modern media as well. That's not at all saying they should be excluded, of course, that's simply demographics.

 

Well, in the end, real life demographics don't really matter when it comes to fantasy universes and depictions of our own galaxy 200 years into the future. But in any case, accurately reflecting demographics in a game where romance is part of the story content is probably not the best idea anyway, since that would render homosexual and/or bisexual companions either rare or nonexistent, which wouldn't do it any favors. I wouldn't say that this is so much an obsession, but rather aiming to give the player more out of its content based on his/her preference.

[zestalyn]

If you don't romance him in the citadel DLC he asks you to meet him at the bar and he's very awkward around a female Turian.

That's what i thought but I was confused, cause it sounded like it was in response to the "BW's obsession with virginity" comment, suggesting Garrus is a virgin, except Garrus made that fact about him oh so very clear about himself with his reach and flexbiity story, lol. 

[Han Shot First]

I honestly don't get BW's obsession with virginity. I never understood why there where so many adult-virgin romance options(Liara, Tali, Alistair, Merrill etc) and especially why this element was emphasized on so much in their respective romances. Don't get me wrong, I liked Tali's and Alistair's romances a lot, but I really don't get why they had to do this.

 

Wasn't Aerie from Baldur's Gate a virgin as well?

[Barquiel]

Wasn't Aerie from Baldur's Gate a virgin as well?

 

Aerie was a virgin, yes.

I honestly couldn't care less about it...my favorite romances are Viconia (years of experience) and Liara (it would only bother me if the virginity of a character is a big part of the romance, like Tali's in ME2). Liara mentioned it once in ME1. I think Merrill doesn't say anything, people simply assumed she was because she was very naive. And it wasn't a central theme in Aerie's romance either.

To be honest, I would rather have another virgin archetype than another LI who won't shut up about their former wife/husband/lover

[andy6915]

To go back to the original thing, the romance subtext in ME1 with Tali is there if you look for it to see it. A Shepard who always picks the paragon options with her and is always super nice to her can easily be construed to be the "chemistry" Shepard talks about in 3 and which Kelly talks about in ME2 in regards to Tali. Yeah it could be just the sign of really good friends too... But it could also be a sign that some budding crushes are going on there. And even if it is one-sided their relationship in the first game, assuming you was nice to her, really does sync well into ME2. A commander who saves her life and treats her like a real person and not just "an annoying suit rat", who also gives her Geth data for her pilgrimage and who goes on to be a big famous hero of the Citadel?

 

And Tali is more than an encyclopedia in ME1. Sure most of the investigate options are, but her talk about missing home and feeling out of place and the pressure she mentions growing up under because of her father and her talks with paragon Shepard about how good he's been to her are all conversations with her as a person and not just a walking codex.

 

For my own Shepards, I don't think he's taking advantage of her "crush and virginity" or whatever the heck that means. Your Shepard might be some dick like that, but mine Ain't. When he first met her, he was already thinking she was quite cute and super smart and friendly... But still a little too immature and young seeming. She was 22, but she was still too much a kid. But then ME2 rolls around and it's been 2 years, and he meets her again and she's acting much more mature and her voice is more womanly and attractive and he body is much more woman-like and filled out now. Yet she is still just as nice and smart as before. So she's the same girl as before, but gradated from cute to full-on hot as the sun and acting like an adult now. He starts falling for her, but doesn't believe Tali feels the same about him because she's never been obvious about it. Or maybe he had a feeling there was chemistry there but still wanted to be respectful enough to let her be the one to bring it up if she wants someday, and if she never did then he would someday move on. (both scenarios are ones I've had different Shepard's take in regards to her romance). And after seeing her emotionally vulnerable side in her LM and being there for her during it, feelings for each other towards the other would only grow further. So then she finally lets it slip that she's actually just as interested back, how is it taking advantage to hook up? So I guess in the roleplay even I say that the romance wasn't truly there in ME1, and it wasn't. But it still set the frame and base of the relationship they eventually fall into.

 

By the way, how obvious is it that she's my favorite romance? She is the sole and only reason I even bothered to play a male-Shepard for the first time after countless playthroughs as female-Shepards. I liked Tali so much I wanted to romance her, even if it meant starting a new character who was male just to do it. She's the reason I've now done an equal feeling number of playthroughs as both sexes instead of still being solely a Femshep player. If a lesbian relationship with Tali had been possible with her, I'd probably still be just playing Femsheps. And her being a virgin is irrelevant to me. I wanted to romance her because I liked her for being her, her past sexual experience never even factored into it. I don't understand why people actually like the idea of being with a virgin because they're a virgin. Virgin is just another way of saying "noob at sex and will be awful at it", why would you intentionally want that? I mean a virgin is fine of course if you have strong feelings for her and you're willing to have some bad sex the first few times while she learns because being with her is worth it, but why would you want that on purpose for the sake of it?

[shepskisaac]

Doesn't help that he dies halfway through ME3. Doesn't leave you much to work with compared to other romances. What they did with it in Citadel DLC was quite nice. Still, he's deaddd. 

I would've expected they put wayy more effort into his romance given his entire existence and sexified drell-ness was  mainly so that FemShep could have another hetero alien romance LI 

It's one of the 'casulties' of cutting Javik out of the main plot. Citadel coup and Thessia swapped places when that happened, Thane's death along with it.

 

As for the topic - best romance is subjective, worst one everyone has to agree is Jacob lol. I still don't get how did it even happen. The budget on break up lines may as well have been spent on romance continuation lines, it's not like Thane/Jack/Miranda have much more romance-exclusive lines & scenes in the base game without Citadel DLC

 

Special mention to the worst romance scene - Tali singing in Citadel DLC. Jesus, second hand embarassement all the way through.

[Massa FX]

I'd have to say:

 

Worst

Morinth - she's vile

Jacob - he's unfaithful

 

Best

Kaidan - human cannon

Garrus - most romantic

 

Runner up for worst

Liara - sorry L shippers. She's too too.... intense in her adoration.

[Livi14]

Special mention to the worst romance scene - Tali singing in Citadel DLC. Jesus, second hand embarassement all the way through.

 
Tali singing was cringe worthy. But as bad as Tali's singing was, I have to say: Props to Liz Sroka. Tali's voice in Mass Effect 1 was very inconsistent, easily the least impressive performance among the entire squad. Her accent either changes, or goes away, a lot. And now she's actually singing in Tali's voice. Not bad.

[KaiserShep]

Best Romance: Femshep

Worst Romance: MaleShep

 

~Samantha Traynor