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[Eterna]

Indy_S wrote...

Wulfie, you seem to have a rather strict set of ethics. Are we all to judge a loss of freedom as preferable to death?

In which ending do you lose your freedom? 

[DeinonSlayer]

Auld Wulf wrote...

By picking Destroy, you choose to slaughter in cold blood:

- The geth and any other synthetics that we're not aware of.

Only because they're aug'd with Reaper tech. No others. In any case, Gerrel already took care of them in my canon playthrough.

- EDI. (Sorry Joker, Shepard wasn't ready to allow you your happiness.)

A tragic casualty. In her honor, I would push for the Council to overturn its AI ban.

- Every species preserved within the reaper consensus.

Already long dead.

You'd kind of make Hitler look like John Lennon.

Oh, go suck a lemon.

[d-boy15]

Eterna5 wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

Wulfie, you seem to have a rather strict set of ethics. Are we all to judge a loss of freedom as preferable to death?

In which ending do you lose your freedom? 

all

destroy - geth lose their freedom to live.

control - galaxy lose their freedom to act.

synthesis - galaxy lose their freedom to choose.

refuse - galaxy lose their life...

[noobcannon]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...

That's more or less why I chose Destroy, the safe option.

Genocide is a 'safe' option? It isn't too 'safe' for all the people who'd die. But hey, don't mind me, I'm just a guy with a decent set of ethics and an understanding of why too much binary opposition in one's thinking is more dangerous thananything.

Edit: For those who might not understand...

By picking Destroy, you choose to slaughter in cold blood:

- The geth and any other synthetics that we're not aware of.
- EDI. (Sorry Joker, Shepard wasn't ready to allow you your happiness.)
- Every species preserved within the reaper consensus.

You'd kind of make Hitler look like John Lennon.

hitler wanted one pure race and everyone to be christian. which ending does that sound like?

[Eterna]

d-boy15 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

Wulfie, you seem to have a rather strict set of ethics. Are we all to judge a loss of freedom as preferable to death?

In which ending do you lose your freedom? 

control - galaxy lose their freedom to act.

No they don't, they lose the freedoms to commit war, honestly do you think that is a bad thing? The only people who suffer in Control are Warmongers. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 15 février 2013 - 02:38 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Eterna5 wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

In real life, Control would freaking scare me. I wouldn't want to become a synthetic super-intelligence controlling the most powerful beings in the galaxy.

I think that would be freaking awesome and I'd totally go for that.

Eterna, you scare me.

ALSO DAMN IT COSMIC HAVE YOU PICKED ONE OR ARE YOU JUST MUSING AGAIN?!

That's pretty much how I felt when I did it, though.  It seemed like the only real solution, but the priiiiiice...

[Indy_S]

Eterna5 wrote...
No they don't, they lose the freedoms to commit war, honestly do you think that is a bad thing? The only people who suffer in Control are Warmongers. 

Philosophical difference: Can there truly be good if we lose our ability to choose?

[noobcannon]

Eterna5 wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

In real life, Control would freaking scare me. I wouldn't want to become a synthetic super-intelligence controlling the most powerful beings in the galaxy.

I think that would be freaking awesome and I'd totally go for that.

well i didn't vote for you.

Modifié par noobcannon, 15 février 2013 - 02:47 .

[d-boy15]

Eterna5 wrote...
No they don't, they lose the freedoms to commit war, honestly do you think that is a bad thing? The only people who suffer in Control are Warmongers. 

just saying that all ending are no absolute freedom.

about the war, it's not totally good or bad, sometimes word and reason ain't enough and to be fair in this case
it's up to one man to decide. I also know many peoples who choose to have freedom over safety. 

[o Ventus]

Eterna5 wrote...

No they don't, they lose the freedoms to commit war, honestly do you think that is a bad thing? The only people who suffer in Control are Warmongers. 

Warmongers, and everybody who might disagree with Shepardlyst on a matter.

[Sovereign330]

i think i am secretly power hungry...thus i would choose control in real life

[Sajuro]

If I didn't fold like a lawn chair under pressure, I would choose destroy, as it is I would probably freeze up and accidentally trip into the beam whilst pacing

[Vigilant111]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...

That's more or less why I chose Destroy, the safe option.

Genocide is a 'safe' option? It isn't too 'safe' for all the people who'd die. But hey, don't mind me, I'm just a guy with a decent set of ethics and an understanding of why too much binary opposition in one's thinking is more dangerous thananything.

Edit: For those who might not understand...

By picking Destroy, you choose to slaughter in cold blood:

- The geth and any other synthetics that we're not aware of.
- EDI. (Sorry Joker, Shepard wasn't ready to allow you your happiness.)
- Every species preserved within the reaper consensus.

You'd kind of make Hitler look like John Lennon.

...decent set of ethics, more like a zero set of ethics

Don't worry, I only need to collect their corpses and make them into paste, then their essence would be preserved

[Hadeedak]

noobcannon wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...

That's more or less why I chose Destroy, the safe option.

Genocide is a 'safe' option? It isn't too 'safe' for all the people who'd die. But hey, don't mind me, I'm just a guy with a decent set of ethics and an understanding of why too much binary opposition in one's thinking is more dangerous thananything.

Edit: For those who might not understand...

By picking Destroy, you choose to slaughter in cold blood:

- The geth and any other synthetics that we're not aware of.
- EDI. (Sorry Joker, Shepard wasn't ready to allow you your happiness.)
- Every species preserved within the reaper consensus.

You'd kind of make Hitler look like John Lennon.

hitler wanted one pure race and everyone to be christian. which ending does that sound like?

Destroy? Hey, you're wiping out synthetics and everyone's an organic now.

No, seriously, what are you going for here with this?  Hitler analogies are pretty much always clumsy, oversimplified, and a wee bit insulting.

[Hadeedak]

Anyway. Hell if I know. I probably would have been shot by Marauder Shields, anyway. I've picked all of them on my various Sheps. Some of them twice! Maybe control. But I do like life. I think control makes a powerful ending to the story. That doesn't mean I think I'd go for it.

[Eterna]

o Ventus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

No they don't, they lose the freedoms to commit war, honestly do you think that is a bad thing? The only people who suffer in Control are Warmongers. 

Warmongers, and everybody who might disagree with Shepardlyst on a matter.

"I disagree with you persecuting dangerous warmongers who would have caused wars which would result in the deaths of countless lives!"

Yeah, so many people are going to disagree. 

[Eterna]

Indy_S wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
No they don't, they lose the freedoms to commit war, honestly do you think that is a bad thing? The only people who suffer in Control are Warmongers. 

Philosophical difference: Can there truly be good if we lose our ability to choose?

Yes.  What a dumb question. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 15 février 2013 - 03:14 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Eterna5 wrote...

Yes.  What a dumb question.

So, would you allow someone to remove your own free will so that you would automatically do the right thing without any choice?  Would you let someone do the same to your friends and family?

A related question: How much power is the law allowed to have?  Can a thought be considered a crime?

[Indy_S]

Eterna5 wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

Philosophical difference: Can there truly be good if we lose our ability to choose?

Yes.  What a dumb question. 

Some people would answer no. It makes Wulfie's assertion a lot less black and white.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Eterna5 wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

In real life, Control would freaking scare me. I wouldn't want to become a synthetic super-intelligence controlling the most powerful beings in the galaxy.

I think that would be freaking awesome and I'd totally go for that. 

Yeah same here. In real life I probably wouldn't be able to resist the temptation of becoming god..

[noobcannon]

Hadeedak wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...

That's more or less why I chose Destroy, the safe option.

Genocide is a 'safe' option? It isn't too 'safe' for all the people who'd die. But hey, don't mind me, I'm just a guy with a decent set of ethics and an understanding of why too much binary opposition in one's thinking is more dangerous thananything.

Edit: For those who might not understand...

By picking Destroy, you choose to slaughter in cold blood:

- The geth and any other synthetics that we're not aware of.
- EDI. (Sorry Joker, Shepard wasn't ready to allow you your happiness.)
- Every species preserved within the reaper consensus.

You'd kind of make Hitler look like John Lennon.

hitler wanted one pure race and everyone to be christian. which ending does that sound like?

Destroy? Hey, you're wiping out synthetics and everyone's an organic now.

No, seriously, what are you going for here with this?  Hitler analogies are pretty much always clumsy, oversimplified, and a wee bit insulting.

wulf used a hitler refrence so i threw it back at him. did you even read his post or just mine?

Modifié par noobcannon, 15 février 2013 - 04:13 .

[MegaSovereign]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Yes.  What a dumb question.

So, would you allow someone to remove your own free will so that you would automatically do the right thing without any choice?  Would you let someone do the same to your friends and family?

A related question: How much power is the law allowed to have?  Can a thought be considered a crime?

Playing the devil's advocate here. With Synthesis you rob people of one choice but then give them the ability to make so many more through their upgrade.

[CynicalShep]

The-Biotic-God wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Yes.  What a dumb question.

So, would you allow someone to remove your own free will so that you would automatically do the right thing without any choice?  Would you let someone do the same to your friends and family?

A related question: How much power is the law allowed to have?  Can a thought be considered a crime?

Playing the devil's advocate here. With Synthesis you rob people of one choice but then give them the ability to make so many more through their upgrade.

I'll play the devil advocate's advocate. ME is about robbing people of choices. You killed thousands of mechs, mercs, civilians and many other individuals - hostile or otherwise. You robbed each and every one of them of choice. What if they wanted to open a dog shelter? What if they wanted to get a new job? What if they wanted to rob people of choices just like you do? You denied them the opportunity. 

/drunkdon'tpayattention

[AdmiralCheez]

The-Biotic-God wrote...

Playing the devil's advocate here. With Synthesis you rob people of one choice but then give them the ability to make so many more through their upgrade.

Let's say someone gives me a sex change operation in my sleep, without my consent.  Is this massive violation of my body and privacy really not that big a deal because I can pee standing up now?