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[fr33stylez]

Eterna5 wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
No they don't, they lose the freedoms to commit war, honestly do you think that is a bad thing? The only people who suffer in Control are Warmongers. 

Philosophical difference: Can there truly be good if we lose our ability to choose?

Yes.  What a dumb question. 

Most people IRL don't support dictatorships, no matter how hard you want to believe yours would be the first 'good' one.

[CronoDragoon]

pirate1802 wrote...

Well, Shepard's memoies will live on for eternity, they'll guide her.. also in those memories will be interactions with those squadmates, their viewpoints etc. For example Shepalyst doesn't physically need to interact with Javik to know he'll probably hate her.

Quoting your post again, but you know what would REALLY be interesting in Control?

Based off of your idea that Shepard-AI would still retain the data of his interactions with his squadmates and use those to guide his decisions even after their deaths, couldn't all that data be interpreted as a set of moral guidelines for each character, albeit the way that Shepard perceived him during his lifetime?

What if Shepard-AI decided to consolidate those memories into one place....say, a Reaper? What if he creates Liara and Garrus and Tali Reapers by overwriting the memories of current Reapers with Shepard's memories that create a sum of "that person's personality"?

Not that it'd be a terrible efficient way to rule, but it'd certainly be an interesting twist for the game story.

[ruggly]

CronoDragoon wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Well, Shepard's memoies will live on for eternity, they'll guide her.. also in those memories will be interactions with those squadmates, their viewpoints etc. For example Shepalyst doesn't physically need to interact with Javik to know he'll probably hate her.

Quoting your post again, but you know what would REALLY be interesting in Control?

Based off of your idea that Shepard-AI would still retain the data of his interactions with his squadmates and use those to guide his decisions even after their deaths, couldn't all that data be interpreted as a set of moral guidelines for each character, albeit the way that Shepard perceived him during his lifetime?

What if Shepard-AI decided to consolidate those memories into one place....say, a Reaper? What if he creates Liara and Garrus and Tali Reapers by overwriting the memories of current Reapers with Shepard's memories that create a sum of "that person's personality"?

Not that it'd be a terrible efficient way to rule, but it'd certainly be an interesting twist for the game story.

think of all the shenanigans the Shepard and Garrus reapers would get into. Who can snipe the most bottles with their lasers.

[Eterna]

fr33stylez wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
No they don't, they lose the freedoms to commit war, honestly do you think that is a bad thing? The only people who suffer in Control are Warmongers. 

Philosophical difference: Can there truly be good if we lose our ability to choose?

Yes.  What a dumb question. 

Most people IRL don't support dictatorships, no matter how hard you want to believe yours would be the first 'good' one.

Implying that Paragon Control creates a dictatorship based on no evidence. 

Also implying that  happiness can't be found in a dictatorship. 

[mumba]

IRL, I'd chose control and enslave everything. It'd be sweet.

[DirtyPhoenix]

CronoDragoon wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Well, Shepard's memoies will live on for eternity, they'll guide her.. also in those memories will be interactions with those squadmates, their viewpoints etc. For example Shepalyst doesn't physically need to interact with Javik to know he'll probably hate her.

Quoting your post again, but you know what would REALLY be interesting in Control?

Based off of your idea that Shepard-AI would still retain the data of his interactions with his squadmates and use those to guide his decisions even after their deaths, couldn't all that data be interpreted as a set of moral guidelines for each character, albeit the way that Shepard perceived him during his lifetime?

What if Shepard-AI decided to consolidate those memories into one place....say, a Reaper? What if he creates Liara and Garrus and Tali Reapers by overwriting the memories of current Reapers with Shepard's memories that create a sum of "that person's personality"?

Not that it'd be a terrible efficient way to rule, but it'd certainly be an interesting twist for the game story.

Lol.. thats certainly an interesting way to look at it. Shepard naming his/her dolls and  giving them personalities of her deceased friends?.  Could be seen as a weird way of commemorating them. But also what would be interesting is the contrast between how the characters actually were, and how Shepard (the human one) perceived them as.

Modifié par pirate1802, 15 février 2013 - 07:29 .

[Clayless]

I would probably choose Control tbh.

[DOsquareZER]

Destruction or go home. I got other things I'd rather do besides babysit/control a confused galaxy. They can sort their own stuff out after the choice is made aka freedom. If the explosion kills me well... woohoo early retirement! Galaxy will need to find a new crutch. Or learn to walk on its own maybe?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

In real life, in that situation, I would be a soldier, and have gotten to that level with orders from my superior officers to destroy the reapers at all costs. Those orders came from both the Admiral in charge of the Allied Fleet and is the reason all of the races are fighting this war. I said it before. The decision came from way above my pay grade. I will complete my mission as assigned. Starchild, Intelligence be damned. I'm sending the reapers to hell.

[inversevideo]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

In real life, in that situation, I would be a soldier, and have gotten to that level with orders from my superior officers to destroy the reapers at all costs. Those orders came from both the Admiral in charge of the Allied Fleet and is the reason all of the races are fighting this war. I said it before. The decision came from way above my pay grade. I will complete my mission as assigned. Starchild, Intelligence be damned. I'm sending the reapers to hell.

 +1 <3

[Cobretti ftw]

FOr what is showed in the game, in real life we would eb able to destroythe reapers conventionally. I would not build the cruciable and the reapers would be destroyed. lol

[CrutchCricket]

Cobretti ftw wrote...

FOr what is showed in the game, in real life we would eb able to destroythe reapers conventionally. I would not build the cruciable and the reapers would be destroyed. lol

Sense. This man makes it.

[fr33stylez]

Eterna5 wrote...

fr33stylez wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
No they don't, they lose the freedoms to commit war, honestly do you think that is a bad thing? The only people who suffer in Control are Warmongers. 

Philosophical difference: Can there truly be good if we lose our ability to choose?

Yes.  What a dumb question. 

Most people IRL don't support dictatorships, no matter how hard you want to believe yours would be the first 'good' one.

Implying that Paragon Control creates a dictatorship based on no evidence. 

Also implying that  happiness can't be found in a dictatorship. 

Evidence is in the epilogue: 

and lol @ happiness being found in a dictatorship. So would you prefer a dictatorship IRL in your country? Honest question.

[Clayless]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Cobretti ftw wrote...

FOr what is showed in the game, in real life we would eb able to destroythe reapers conventionally. I would not build the cruciable and the reapers would be destroyed. lol

Sense. This man makes it.

No he doesn't. Doing the math shows the Reapers vastly outnumber us.

It's not a war, it's a harvest.

[CrutchCricket]

Robosexual wrote...

No he doesn't. Doing the math shows the Reapers vastly outnumber us.

It's not a war, it's a harvest.

Show, don't tell write a space wikipedia article?

[noobcannon]

Eterna5 wrote...

fr33stylez wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
No they don't, they lose the freedoms to commit war, honestly do you think that is a bad thing? The only people who suffer in Control are Warmongers. 

Philosophical difference: Can there truly be good if we lose our ability to choose?

Yes.  What a dumb question. 

Most people IRL don't support dictatorships, no matter how hard you want to believe yours would be the first 'good' one.

Implying that Paragon Control creates a dictatorship based on no evidence. 

Also implying that  happiness can't be found in a dictatorship. 

wow

[ModernLifeIsRubbish]

I would choose control then make the reapers go away and leave the galaxy alone. That doesn't sound like any sort of dictatorship to me. Or amI missing something about this control = dictatorship thing? I've never really understood it and I've always gone with the control ending.

[Artifex_Imperius]

if you want shepard to live choose destroy. lol

[Clayless]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

No he doesn't. Doing the math shows the Reapers vastly outnumber us.

It's not a war, it's a harvest.

Show, don't tell write a space wikipedia article?

I assume you mean "show don't tell and/or use the codex"?

That's a complaint about the codex then, not the story.

[XXIceColdXX]

If a real life decision, would pick destroy, 100%.

[XXIceColdXX]

If a real life decision, would pick destroy, 100%.

[Rip504]

Yet people seem to forget the Heretics willingly joined the Reapers. Or that every ship flying into Geth space for 300 years was either destroyed or sent back huskified. So yes hopefully the galaxy would remember what the Geth did do. Joined the Reapers on two separate occasions. Were willing to help kill or enslave all civilized organic life,and/or willing to kill an entire sentient species to survive.

Synthetic life is dangerous and the Geth prove this. Proceed with caution.

Modifié par Rip504, 16 février 2013 - 05:14 .

[CrutchCricket]

Robosexual wrote...

That's a complaint about the codex then, not the story.

Not really. Without the codex, all I have is random people going "we can't defeat the Reapers". What, am I supposed to take them at their word? Similarily if I hadn't played ME2 I'd be justified in not knowing we had giant Reaper laser guns now (and maybe we don't give how pathetic our fleets are). That's a fault of the story for missing it/not showing it. Just one of many.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 16 février 2013 - 05:15 .

[Cobretti ftw]

Robosexual wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

Cobretti ftw wrote...

FOr what is showed in the game, in real life we would eb able to destroythe reapers conventionally. I would not build the cruciable and the reapers would be destroyed. lol

Sense. This man makes it.

No he doesn't. Doing the math shows the Reapers vastly outnumber us.

It's not a war, it's a harvest.

Of course.. THe humans on ME3 were too supid.

No1 salvaged reaper tech from the reaper o rannoch, No1 used the kledagon weapon, no1 used the godamn cain's..

Truth is, ME3 annihilated the repaers for me. It was like they were destroying legoland or something. no1 reacted, no1 could think of anything and everybody just ignored all possibilities.

ME3 is like a new godzila movie with more space magic.

Modifié par Cobretti ftw, 16 février 2013 - 06:05 .

[jijeebo]

In real life everyone would die because I'd wet myself and assume the fetal position in the corner as the reapers blew the crucible to high heaven...

So, Refuse... I guess.