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[SurfaceBeneath]

The ending made me feel like I was disintegrated at a molecular level and my memories uploaded into a machine consciousness.

Modifié par SurfaceBeneath, 16 février 2013 - 07:57 .

[Tron Mega]

Kailord wrote...

You know, there are a lot of video games out there which have crappy endings. Deus Ex 3 was also very crappy.

to give DE some leeway, thats just a stand alone game. not a third part of a trilogy. not a game supposedly promised to show consequences for the choices weve been making. i will admit i hated the thougt of sellecting 1 of 3 red buttons and getting my ending. probably the worste way to end a game, esoecially one where im making choices, and the game should be able to pick an ending from those choices i made. thats what an ending in a game like DE or ME should be like.

ME3 was released in '07, and probably started long before that. how does something with that much time end up to be wrose then expected? (probably for the same reason talis face was poorly photoshopped.)

im under the impression MEs IP is under incapable hands with bioware.

Modifié par Tron Mega, 16 février 2013 - 07:57 .

[AlanC9]

Why is it that so many people think ME3 would have been better with fewer choices?

[cyrexwingblade]

The ending is disappointing. Nothing more, nothing less. It was foreshadowed enough, but my fanboy goggles were too hopeful to realize what was being foreshadowed *really*.

I was told repeatedly that my Shepard wasn't coming back. Indeed she didn't.

Even I picked Destroy, *MY* Shep wouldn't come back. A ruined husk of guilt would. Edi was her friend, and she already felt responsible for killing too many people without proper reason.

Control? The only option my Shep really has, but she doesn't really see it as herself. It's just the only way to stop the Reapers without someone other than her and the Reapers paying the price.

Synthesis? Without metagaming, my Shep can't risk Synth. Not a concept issue, though she wouldn't really be comfortable with it personally, just practical. She can't trust the Catalyst portrayal of it. The only 'Synthesis' she's seen are husks of various species.

I don't want less choices, I just wanted 'a choice' that was satisfying...

[AlanC9]

I was specifically talking about posts like Tron Mega's immediately above, cyrexwingblade. I didn't mean to imply that everyone complaining about endings wants less choice.

I actually evaluate the choices about the way you did, except that I found having those choices satisfying. 

Modifié par AlanC9, 16 février 2013 - 08:57 .

[SoloShepard]

Renmiri1 wrote...

SoloShepard wrote...

I don't think that many people disliked the ending THAT much. I think a few loud people did, and the rest is all groupthink/internet mob/people who don't want to think for themselves jumping on a bandwagon. Whatever you want to call it you would think that after more than a year of whining about it people would get bored and move on. Apparently not.

Attitudes like yours help me get angry all over again.

What you are basically saying is that 

a) I have no idea what I like in a game, I follow the press
Then why didn't I follow the 74 "perfect score" reviews" ?

b)People like me don't exist or are a insignificant part of gamers
Then why did Bioware delay their paid DLC to give a EC for free?

c) The bad ending is "over" and done
How can it be if day after day Bioware and idiots like you refuse to listen ?

Look, if you are one of the people I was referring to I would hardly expect you to agree with me and yelling 'I AM NOT' isn't going to convince me to change my mind, so there's no point in arguing about it. You didn't even respond to anything I said, you just quoted me so you could bring up 3 points I never even made, but which you state are similar to my views in some way. What kind of a chump would let themselves be dragged into defending statements they never made?

I have a right to my opinion the same as you do. If that makes you angry, you're going to be angry a lot..

[SpamBot2000]

AlanC9 wrote...

Why is it that so many people think ME3 would have been better with fewer choices?

Well.... first of all, it's like Warren Spector said about the ending of Deus Ex: Invisible War, in which you can pick one of four endings regardless of how you played. He feels it failed because (I'm paraphrasing here, don't have the actual quote handy at the moment) "people think Deus Ex is a game about making choices, but it's really a game about living with the consequences of making choices". Similarly, the Mass Effect 3 endings leave the "living with the choices" out of the game, which ends when you pick A, B or C. Any living you do with that choice is going to have to take place outside the game. Probably why people have trouble letting go of the wretched thing.

Another point is that the very possibility of picking a green magic ray to robotize the entire galaxy is undermining the integrity of the MEU even if you never choose it. Because apparently this is a universe in which such wacky things can happen. And turns out that many people don't really want such twee trippiness in their sci-fi.

Of course, there's the whole issue of all the choices being awful (not "sad" or "realistic"), thus forcing you to actually choose one of these abominations for yourself, adding humiliation to the injury. Mass Effect deserves better than this.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 17 février 2013 - 07:19 .

[Metalunatic]

DAT ENDING. Still haunting us and probably will for years to come.

[Jadebaby]

AlanC9 wrote...

Why is it that so many people think ME3 would have been better with fewer choices?

Because if they didn't spend all those resources on those extra choices, for eg; new VA's to do the ME2 replacements lines, that could have been spent elsewhere..

[Nightdragon8]

honestly finally did a EC playthough (been sitting waiting for me to do (normally gave up wanting to play after Rannoch. )) the ending is "better" just not great.

basicly the crucible is a big * Tim Allen Grunt* More power sort of thing. and the explenation of how syth occours is... whatever... what can i say really...

but it answered some of the more pressing questions

[Verit]

Well, my conclusion after the end of Mass Effect 3 was simple: I'm never going to play any of the Mass Effect games again. It went from one of my favorite franchises to a franchise that I'd like to forget ever even existed. I'm surprised that people who disliked the ending as much as I did can actually replay the game and sit through the whole ending again. It's not going to get any better.

[BizkitRebellion]

Metalunatic wrote...

DAT ENDING. Still haunting us and probably will for years to come.

You have no idea <_<

[fiendishchicken]

I'm with you OP.

I'm at the point where I can only play ME3 for 5 minutes before I have to stop.

It's that bad.

[fiendishchicken]

Jadebaby wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Why is it that so many people think ME3 would have been better with fewer choices?

Because if they didn't spend all those resources on those extra choices, for eg; new VA's to do the ME2 replacements lines, that could have been spent elsewhere..

As great as MP is, I'd boot it in a second to get better SP content.

Allers...

Plus some of the hype statements "The best point to start the trilogy"

ME3 was, at it's core, not made for the ME fan. It was made for the masses to buy so that EA could make money.

And the game was released far too early. Another year in development would be perfect, (though it might not fix issues like the narrative inconsistency that's rampant throughout the game or the ending bull****.

And a real final battle, something that looks and feels and sounds rewarding. 

After Thessia, the game is jumbled mess really.

[Wayning_Star]

some are just irked cause 'destroy' may or may not be canon...sheesh. So they dis every/any thing as jumbled or messy.

[Merchant2006]

Aye I cn b blunt cuz i smok plenty wid ma boi gmag tbh

[TheJediSaint]

I suppose I was fortunate that I was not one of the people filled with existential suffering from the ending. I was just left with the feeling of, "Wow, that was bad."

[AlanC9]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Why is it that so many people think ME3 would have been better with fewer choices?

Because if they didn't spend all those resources on those extra choices, for eg; new VA's to do the ME2 replacements lines, that could have been spent elsewhere..

As great as MP is, I'd boot it in a second to get better SP content.

Since MP generates revenue on its own, I'm not sure you'd get many more zots for SP by cutting it. For all I know MP could be subsidizing SP as it is.

[Iakus]

AlanC9 wrote...

Why is it that so many people think ME3 would have been better with fewer choices?

Because many bad options =/= a few good options

[Renmiri1]

SoloShepard wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

SoloShepard wrote...

I don't think that many people disliked the ending THAT much. I think a few loud people did, and the rest is all groupthink/internet mob/people who don't want to think for themselves jumping on a bandwagon. Whatever you want to call it you would think that after more than a year of whining about it people would get bored and move on. Apparently not.

Attitudes like yours help me get angry all over again.

What you are basically saying is that 

a) I have no idea what I like in a game, I follow the press
Then why didn't I follow the 74 "perfect score" reviews" ?

b)People like me don't exist or are a insignificant part of gamers
Then why did Bioware delay their paid DLC to give a EC for free?

c) The bad ending is "over" and done
How can it be if day after day Bioware and idiots like you refuse to listen ?

Look, if you are one of the people I was referring to I would hardly expect you to agree with me and yelling 'I AM NOT' isn't going to convince me to change my mind, so there's no point in arguing about it. You didn't even respond to anything I said, you just quoted me so you could bring up 3 points I never even made, but which you state are similar to my views in some way. What kind of a chump would let themselves be dragged into defending statements they never made?

I have a right to my opinion the same as you do. If that makes you angry, you're going to be angry a lot..

OK so what point were you making when you said I don't think that many people disliked the ending THAT much. I think a few loud people did, ?

I disliked the game, so am I one of the "a few loud people" ? Are those few loud people unimportant ? Insignificant ?

Well, you gave me an option if I disliked the game and I am not one of the few loud people then I am with "the rest" which you said and the rest is all groupthink/internet mob/people who don't want to think for themselves jumping on a bandwagon . What did you mean by that ?
Are you telling me I don't want to think for myself, just because I don't like something you happen to like ?

The way I see it, you liked the game and instead of respecting people who don't agree with you, you are trying to paint people like me as "a few loud mouths" or idiots that can't think for themsolves and have no idea what to like in a game. If that isn't what you are saying, can you then explain what you meant ?

You say I have a right to my opinion the same as you do but I never said your opinion was invalid, while your post seems to say exactly that about people who  dislike the game. Am I wrong ? I really don't see any respect for my right to have an opinion different than yours, but you can prove me wrong and point to me where did you express that people who disliked the game have the right to, without being tarred and feathered as groupthink idiots or loudmouths.

Your other clueless and offensive statement was you would think that after more than a year of whining about it people would get bored and move on which shows a complete lack of empathy and understanding. To that I answered your post. How can we "haters" move on, when you, bioware and bad game journalists refuse to acknowledge we have the right to have a negative opinion about the game ? All you, BW and the fawning press do is try to paint us as idiots. 

So yeah, ME3 has ended about a year ago, but the offensive statements about anyone who dares not to like the game are still being thrown out daily. You did it yourself, 24 hours ago. So it hasn't been a year and no, I don't get "bored" when I am called a loudmouth or an idiot who has no ability to think for myself. I get angry, not bored.

If you really think you and I have the same right to an opinion, act like it and respect MY opinion and debate it on it's merits, not by calling people who disagree with you incapable of thinking for themselves.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 17 février 2013 - 06:12 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Merchant2006 wrote...

Aye I cn b blunt cuz i smok plenty wid ma boi gmag tbh

Best post in this entire thread.

[abch4]

fiendishchicken wrote...

I'm with you OP.

I'm at the point where I can only play ME3 for 5 minutes before I have to stop.

It's that bad.

I say this for your own health. Go and socialise with real people, you won't be so weirdly affected by a piece of fiction. 

[zyntifox]

-Draikin- wrote...

Well, my conclusion after the end of Mass Effect 3 was simple: I'm never going to play any of the Mass Effect games again. It went from one of my favorite franchises to a franchise that I'd like to forget ever even existed. I'm surprised that people who disliked the ending as much as I did can actually replay the game and sit through the whole ending again. It's not going to get any better.

While i am not a fan of the ending it would not deter me from playing another Mass effect game. What makes me not wanting to buy another Mass effect game is the same reason im not buying another Dragon age game and that is the shift of focus of the core game. I like cinematic presentation as much as the next guy but i don't put much value on it in a game i play to roleplay in. And i've always bought Bioware games to roleplay in them and it seems pretty clear that Bioware priortizes cinematic presentation over player agency nowaydays.

If this was five years ago i would have been upset since Bioware have always been the go-to-developer when it comes to roleplaying for me. But since there now is a lot of interesting kickstarter projects, in terms of roleplayability, i don't really mind that much.

Modifié par Cstaf, 17 février 2013 - 06:54 .