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[element eater]

Robosexual wrote...

Arbiter156 wrote...

I don't think bioware intentionally "betrayed" thier fans, but the fact that so far they don't even acknowledge the problems with the ending beyond saying "controversial" leaves a very bad taste in the fans mouths. Ultimately an apology of some sort would do wonders for relations with the fans at this point.

Apologise for what?

upsetting some of there fans?

[AlanC9]

chemiclord wrote...
Game companies, frankly, are SCARED.  They're TERRIFIED that if you actually SEE the product, you're not going to like it, and there's a lost sale.  So they try to sweeten the pot with trivial stuff or outright coerce you in pre-purchasing before you know what you got.

I would have probably bought DA2 if they hadn't made a demo, come to think of it.

The earlier statement I made regarding Arena.net, for example.  In Guild Wars 2, if you wanted "guaranteed" access to their beta events, you were required to completely pre-purchase the game in full.  Basically, if you wanted to test the waters to see if it was something you liked, you had to buy it in full, sight unseen.  It came across as horribly cheap to me.

Yikes.

[Clayless]

element eater wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Arbiter156 wrote...

I don't think bioware intentionally "betrayed" thier fans, but the fact that so far they don't even acknowledge the problems with the ending beyond saying "controversial" leaves a very bad taste in the fans mouths. Ultimately an apology of some sort would do wonders for relations with the fans at this point.

Apologise for what?

upsetting some of there fans?

In what way? Someone getting upset by your piece of fiction isn't apology worthy.

[element eater]

Robosexual wrote...

element eater wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Arbiter156 wrote...

I don't think bioware intentionally "betrayed" thier fans, but the fact that so far they don't even acknowledge the problems with the ending beyond saying "controversial" leaves a very bad taste in the fans mouths. Ultimately an apology of some sort would do wonders for relations with the fans at this point.

Apologise for what?

upsetting some of there fans?

In what way? Someone getting upset by your piece of fiction isn't apology worthy.

i dunno i feel if you let people down to the extent they are still upset about it a year later, its probably worth apologising regardless of the cause. It wouldnt have to come as an admission of guilt and if it made a few people feel better whats the harm?

also  the way you phrased that question is a little amusing because people often end up apologising for upsetting people with there fiction, but i know you didnt mean it like that. 

Modifié par element eater, 18 février 2013 - 05:01 .

[abch4]

Arbiter156 wrote...

^^ and I think that people who worship the ending are insane... Kinda like sevial.

If someone tells me to "get over it" they should consider that these things DO matter to people, because to many it is not just a game, its an experience with characters whom we empathise with, that it is a narrative with great emotion weight attached to it, that we as humans are emotional creatures, empathetic creatures. So when something like this happens and our emotions are hurt in one way or another, don't have the gall to stand there and say "get over it". If I tore you childhood toys apart I'm pretty sure you wouldn't "get over it".

People who like the ending are insane?

Yet people who are still getting 'violated' by it a year later aren't!?


Lolwut?

Modifié par abch4, 18 février 2013 - 06:48 .

[spockjedi]

OP:

[Mouton_Alpha]

Whenever I see the title of this thread...
www.youtube.com/watch

[Yate]

if you still find yourself upset/angry/violated at the ending to a video game a year old you should seriously seek psychiatric help

seriously.

Modifié par Yate, 18 février 2013 - 08:26 .

[Alessar1288]

Yate wrote...

if you still find yourself upset/angry/violated at the ending to a video game a year old you should seriously seek psychiatric help

seriously.

[Yate]

if you think the breath is an easter egg and non-canon

if you think the relays are GONE FOREVER

and you hate the ending

you have nobody to blame except yourself

[nrobbiec]

so you can suck it up

[Arbiter156]

spockjedi wrote...

OP:

Thanks.

[SoloShepard]

How do you guys think the Dev team at Bioware feel? You don't think they had hopes and dreams for ME3 just like we did? I'm betting all that stuff that was promised and never made it into the game is just as huge a disappointment to them as it was for us.

Wake up, kiddies, this is the really real world. Stuff happens. The Dev team doesn't call the shots. They are handed a budget and a deadline and they work within those limitations or they make way for some other talented person dreaming of having a job in the gaming industry. Considering what they were given in terms of time I think they accomplished a miracle.

And yes, every time they step in front of a microphone they are going to say they stand behind their work 100% and they will never admit they are unhappy with it or the resources they were given to do it. Because they have great jobs and they want to KEEP them. Any Dev who said "blame the bean counters at EA" or anything like it would be filing for unemployment in less time than it takes a Salarian to pass through a Krogan's digestive system.

I vote for cutting them some slack. A year of being incessantly hammered for being forced to do a rush job on the final chapter of a trilogy they poured how many years of their lives into just so stockholders at EA could maximize their profits is enough IMHO.

[alsonamedbort]

element eater wrote...

i dunno i feel if you let people down to the extent they are still upset about it a year later, its probably worth apologising regardless of the cause.

I can't agree with this principle.  If you've truly wronged someone, apologizing is appropriate.  But having a standard where someone should apologize just because someone else feels angry for an extended period of time isn't realistic or fair to the party who "should apologize."

[Dubozz]

SoloShepard wrote...

Wake up, kiddies, this is the really real world. Stuff happens. 

Well, following you logic they get what they deserved, don't they? A lot of "top game bla bla bla awards" for EA and bosses and a lot of "feedback" from disappointed  fans about "controversial ending" for devs. A way to go Bioware, a way to go.

Modifié par Dubozz, 19 février 2013 - 02:08 .

[SoloShepard]

Dubozz wrote...

SoloShepard wrote...

Wake up, kiddies, this is the really real world. Stuff happens. 

Well, following you logic they get what they deserved, don't they? A lot of "top game bla bla bla awards" for EA and bosses and a lot of "feedback" from disappointed  fans about "controversial ending" for devs. A way to go Bioware, a way to go.

Out of my entire post this is all you read? Or just all you understood? Because what you said doesn't even come close to "following" my logic, unless by "following" you mean "going completely in the opposite direction of"..

[Yate]

I love how everyone assumes that the ending was the result of EA's pressure.

like

how does that ending equal more sales and more $$$$$?

at all?

[Getorex]

alsonamedbort wrote...

element eater wrote...

i dunno i feel if you let people down to the extent they are still upset about it a year later, its probably worth apologising regardless of the cause.

I can't agree with this principle.  If you've truly wronged someone, apologizing is appropriate.  But having a standard where someone should apologize just because someone else feels angry for an extended period of time isn't realistic or fair to the party who "should apologize."

I'll agree, but add that they should LEARN from the mistake and not repeat it in the future.  That is all the "apology" I need as it is too late for ME.  It's done and gone. 

[Yate]

Getorex wrote...

alsonamedbort wrote...

element eater wrote...

i dunno i feel if you let people down to the extent they are still upset about it a year later, its probably worth apologising regardless of the cause.

I can't agree with this principle.  If you've truly wronged someone, apologizing is appropriate.  But having a standard where someone should apologize just because someone else feels angry for an extended period of time isn't realistic or fair to the party who "should apologize."

I'll agree, but add that they should LEARN from the mistake and not repeat it in the future.  That is all the "apology" I need as it is too late for ME.  It's done and gone. 

lol

[Getorex]

abch4 wrote...

Arbiter156 wrote...

^^ and I think that people who worship the ending are insane... Kinda like sevial.

If someone tells me to "get over it" they should consider that these things DO matter to people, because to many it is not just a game, its an experience with characters whom we empathise with, that it is a narrative with great emotion weight attached to it, that we as humans are emotional creatures, empathetic creatures. So when something like this happens and our emotions are hurt in one way or another, don't have the gall to stand there and say "get over it". If I tore you childhood toys apart I'm pretty sure you wouldn't "get over it".

People who like the ending are insane?

Yet people who are still getting 'violated' by it a year later aren't!?


Lolwut?

No! People who liked the ending merely fail to understand logic, narrative flow, the principle of "post hoc ergo propter hoc", and just plain good writing.  They aren't insane, just not suited for a LOT of careers that involve thinking beyond "Look! Boobs!" 

[SoloShepard]

Yate wrote...

I love how everyone assumes that the ending was the result of EA's pressure.

like

how does that ending equal more sales and more $$$$$?

at all?

I see your reasoning here, but that's not how big corporations think. They don't think (Time + Money = Quality Product = Future Sales)

They think (Dev Time = Money Spent but No Money Coming in. Money Spent but not coming in makes Stockholders sad. Make Dev Time as short as possible and Money Spent as small as possible so Money coming in time happens faster and we keep more! Screw future sales because customers are mindless zombies who will continue to gobble up whatever we feed them; history has shown this to be true)

So the game wasn't made the way it is because that will lead to future sales. It is what it is because that put the most profits in their pockets NOW in the least amount of time. That is job #1 as far as they are concerned.

[FlamingBoy]

Alessar1288 wrote...

Yate wrote...

if you still find yourself upset/angry/violated at the ending to a video game a year old you should seriously seek psychiatric help

seriously.

I am so glad we have psychiatrists on the bioware forums giving advice. I am curious since were all being condesending (not to mention supremely arrogant)...

what form of psychiatry would be best suited for our "mental illness"?

Also under the logic that yate puts forward that being "angry" for a year requires psychiatric help, wouldn't some one who finds the need to defend it for a year (or be happy about it) need phychiatric help. Could it be a deep routed desire in penis envy .

If you haven't caught on I pointing at the logical fallacy of directly attacking a person mental wellbeing in order to further the argument that we are somehow wrong.

Recently David Gaider made a complaint that the forums were toxic to his mental wellbeing, and quite honestly I can't think of anything more toxic (or disgraceful) than a group of people attacking people mental health and trying to pass it off as a serious mental illness. Just in order to further there argument, it is weak, it is petty, and it highest form of arrogance. To use a medical profession that helps people in such a way in order to feel justified in a position is hard to define in words.

I will try and just say its a disgrace that people would think such a method is ok.

Modifié par FlamingBoy, 19 février 2013 - 03:01 .

[Getorex]

FlamingBoy wrote...

Alessar1288 wrote...

Yate wrote...

if you still find yourself upset/angry/violated at the ending to a video game a year old you should seriously seek psychiatric help

seriously.

I am so glad we have psychiatrists on the bioware forums giving advice. I am curious since were all being condesending (not to mention supremely arrogant)...

what form of psychiatry would be best suited for our "mental illness"?

[snip]

I thought there was only one kind of psychiatry. The kind that looks at you and then tosses a presecription for antidepressants or stimulants at you. 

[Yate]

Getorex wrote...

abch4 wrote...

Arbiter156 wrote...

^^ and I think that people who worship the ending are insane... Kinda like sevial.

If someone tells me to "get over it" they should consider that these things DO matter to people, because to many it is not just a game, its an experience with characters whom we empathise with, that it is a narrative with great emotion weight attached to it, that we as humans are emotional creatures, empathetic creatures. So when something like this happens and our emotions are hurt in one way or another, don't have the gall to stand there and say "get over it". If I tore you childhood toys apart I'm pretty sure you wouldn't "get over it".

People who like the ending are insane?

Yet people who are still getting 'violated' by it a year later aren't!?


Lolwut?

No! People who liked the ending merely fail to understand logic, narrative flow, the principle of "post hoc ergo propter hoc", and just plain good writing.  They aren't insane, just not suited for a LOT of careers that involve thinking beyond "Look! Boobs!" 

just

don't post

gratuitous Latin doesn't make you smart, sorry

SoloShepard wrote...

Yate wrote...

I love how everyone assumes that the ending was the result of EA's pressure.

like

how does that ending equal more sales and more $$$$$?

at all?

I see your reasoning here, but that's not how big corporations think. They don't think (Time + Money = Quality Product = Future Sales)

They think (Dev Time = Money Spent but No Money Coming in. Money Spent but not coming in makes Stockholders sad. Make Dev Time as short as possible and Money Spent as small as possible so Money coming in time happens faster and we keep more! Screw future sales because customers are mindless zombies who will continue to gobble up whatever we feed them; history has shown this to be true)

So the game wasn't made the way it is because that will lead to future sales. It is what it is because that put the most profits in their pockets NOW in the least amount of time. That is job #1 as far as they are concerned.

you literally do not understand how business works - let alone what EA thinks

FlamingBoy wrote...

Alessar1288 wrote...

Yate wrote...

if you still find yourself upset/angry/violated at the ending to a video game a year old you should seriously seek psychiatric help

seriously.

I am so glad we have psychiatrists on the bioware forums giving advice. I am curious since were all beingcondesending (not to mention supremely arrogant)...

what form of psychiatry would be best suited for our "mental illness"?[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

Also under the logic that yate puts forward that being "angry" for a year requires psychiatric help, wouldn't some one who finds the need to defend it for a year (or be happy about it) need phychiatric help. Could it be a deep routed desire in penis envy [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie].

If you haven't caught on I pointing at the logical fallacy of directly attacking a person mental wellbeing in order to further the argument that we are somehow wrong.

Recently David Gaider made a complaint that the forums were toxic to his mental wellbeing, and quite honestly I can't think of anything more toxic (or disgraceful) than a group of people attacking people mental health and trying to pass it off as a serious mental illness. Just in order to further there argument, it is weak, it is petty, and it highest form of arrogance. To use a medical profession that helps people in such a way in order to feel justified in a position is hard to define in words.

I will try and just say its a disgrace that people would think such a method is ok.

I'm not attacking. That was serious advice. If this game is making anyone as upset as the OP claims, they really should talk to somebody who can help them, because that is not normal or healthy.

[Yate]

Getorex wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

Alessar1288 wrote...

Yate wrote...

if you still find yourself upset/angry/violated at the ending to a video game a year old you should seriously seek psychiatric help

seriously.

I am so glad we have psychiatrists on the bioware forums giving advice. I am curious since were all being condesending (not to mention supremely arrogant)...

what form of psychiatry would be best suited for our "mental illness"?

[snip]

I thought there was only one kind of psychiatry. The kind that looks at you and then tosses a presecription for antidepressants or stimulants at you. 

no

go away