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[FlamingBoy]

Getorex wrote...


I thought there was only one kind of psychiatry. The kind that looks at you and then tosses a presecription for antidepressants or stimulants at you. 

Psychiatry, the science of treating and diagonosing mental disorders is a complicated (like any theories dealing with the human mind) field, filled with theories.

the most common psychiatric (mostly to eccentrciticy of its founder) known by the general public is the work of sigmund freud and his psycho analysis.

however there are hundreds of theories

I got some from wiki, if you desire to look it up

• Addiction psychiatry;
  focuses on evaluation and treatment of individuals with alcohol, drug,
  or other substance-related disorders, and of individuals with dual
  diagnosis of substance-related and other psychiatric disorders.
• Biological psychiatry; an approach to psychiatry that aims to understand mental disorders in terms of the biological function of the nervous system.
• Child and adolescent psychiatry; the branch of psychiatry that specialises in work with children, teenagers, and their families.
• Community psychiatry; an approach that reflects an inclusive public health perspective and is practiced in community mental health services.[22]
• Cross-cultural psychiatry; a branch of psychiatry concerned with the cultural and ethnic context of mental disorder and psychiatric services.
• Emergency psychiatry; the clinical application of psychiatry in emergency settings.
• Forensic psychiatry; the interface between law and psychiatry.
• Geriatric psychiatry; a branch of psychiatry dealing with the study, prevention, and treatment of mental disorders in humans with old age.
• Liaison psychiatry; the branch of psychiatry that specializes in the interface between other medical specialties and psychiatry.
• Military psychiatry; covers special aspects of psychiatry and mental disorders within the military context.
• Neuropsychiatry; branch of medicine dealing with mental disorders attributable to diseases of the nervous system.
• Social psychiatry; a branch of psychiatry that focuses on the interpersonal and cultural context of mental disorder and mental wellbeing.

[Clayless]

element eater wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

In what way? Someone getting upset by your piece of fiction isn't apology worthy.

i dunno i feel if you let people down to the extent they are still upset about it a year later, its probably worth apologising regardless of the cause. It wouldnt have to come as an admission of guilt and if it made a few people feel better whats the harm?

also  the way you phrased that question is a little amusing because people often end up apologising for upsetting people with there fiction, but i know you didnt mean it like that. 

I have been upset by many works of fiction, some because they were made to be upsetting and some because I didn't like it.

Expecting the creators to apologise for me not liking something they made is absurd though. If you didn't like Django for example you don't expect Tarantino to apologise to you, and he shouldn't, the same situation applies here for Bioware. They have nothing to apologise for.

[Yate]

flamingboy don't feed the troll

[FlamingBoy]

Yate wrote...


I'm not attacking. That was serious advice. If this game is making anyone as upset as the OP claims, they really should talk to somebody who can help them, because that is not normal or healthy.

Then I will attack you, since you "advice" opened the door.

I am calling your advice a disgrace, to further your opinion of a game, you pass judgement on a fellow gamer that he is somehow "mentally ill"

Feeling are a complicated thing, if the op feels this way he can feel how he bloody likes without a dude from the internet telling him that he needs serious medical attention.

You describe him being "not normal or healthy" but actually articulating your feelings is normal and healthy.

Modifié par FlamingBoy, 19 février 2013 - 03:13 .

[FlamingBoy]

Yate wrote...

flamingboy don't feed the troll

Can't help it, I am a sucker for fighting the good fight.

but please note I will take this advice seriously depending on how the conversation develops

[Dubozz]

SoloShepard wrote...

Dubozz wrote...

SoloShepard wrote...

Wake up, kiddies, this is the really real world. Stuff happens. 

Well, following you logic they get what they deserved, don't they? A lot of "top game bla bla bla awards" for EA and bosses and a lot of "feedback" from disappointed  fans about "controversial ending" for devs. A way to go Bioware, a way to go.

Out of my entire post this is all you read? Or just all you understood? Because what you said doesn't even come close to "following" my logic, unless by "following" you mean "going completely in the opposite direction of"..

Not sure what are you trying to say by that. "Bioware made a great game with awful disappointing ending, but HEY, it's Bioware! Guys come on! Bioware! lets cut them some slack!" **** no man. Every industry has limited resourses, deadlines, media potics etc. Everyone understand this. It's not some kind of revelation of something. But when, as you said, 'stuff happens' there must be consequences or we will get this "stuff" again and again. Bioware devs made a great job with ME3? Without a doubt. Awful ending screw the series for a lot of people? Without a doubt.  Everyone is ****ed? Yes. We want this to happen again? "Guys. come on, Lets cut them some slack!" **** No man, i don't want this to happen again, so i'm going to bash this ending until every game developer will think like this: "I'm not Bioware, i'm not sure i'll survive in ****storm such as this, i'll better save some resourses for the ending". I may only hope that neither fans or devs will ever experience "ending controversy" such as this.

Modifié par Dubozz, 19 février 2013 - 03:23 .

[EnvyTB075]

Getorex wrote...

I thought there was only one kind of psychiatry. The kind that looks at you and then tosses a presecription for antidepressants or stimulants at you. 

Only in America.

Robosexual wrote...

I have been upset by many works of fiction, some because they were made to be upsetting and some because I didn't like it.

Expecting
the creators to apologise for me not liking something they made is
absurd though. If you didn't like Django for example you don't expect
Tarantino to apologise to you, and he shouldn't, the same situation
applies here for Bioware. They have nothing to apologise for.

Different medium, different standards. When filmakers document, demo and preview their work for two years in the lead up for release and make movies that 20 hours plus, then you would have a valid comparison.

That and Tarentino didn't ask for your money before you got to see the movie. And seeing a movie costs a paltry $15 bucks compared to the $100's that games do, where on one platform specifically you have to pay an additional $50 to play the online part of the game. He also didn't have millions of fans waiting for Django. He said "I want to make this movie", and did it pretty much out of no where as i only heard about it when it was already in cinemas.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 19 février 2013 - 03:24 .

[dreamgazer]

Huh. I wasn't expecting a literal discussion of mental health when I opened this thread.

[FlamingBoy]

FlamingBoy wrote...

Yate wrote...


I'm not attacking. That was serious advice. If this game is making anyone as upset as the OP claims, they really should talk to somebody who can help them, because that is not normal or healthy.

Then I will attack you, since you "advice" opened the door.

I am calling your advice a disgrace, to further your opinion of a game, you pass judgement on a fellow gamer that he is somehow "mentally ill"

Feeling are a complicated thing, if the op feels this way he can feel how he bloody likes without a dude from the internet telling him that he needs serious medical attention.

You describe him being "not normal or healthy" but actually articulating your feelings is normal and healthy.

You know what yate, I apologize, In retrospect I did not mean to come at you so hard.

As you can probably tell I feel strongly about the subject of mental health.:P:P

Edit: I am also angry of my self of underlining game, using the same tactic as some of my opponents to bring attention to the fact it is a game, I think this is a cheap tactic and makes me a hypocrite. So i apologize for that as well

Modifié par FlamingBoy, 19 février 2013 - 03:26 .

[FlamingBoy]

dreamgazer wrote...

Huh. I wasn't expecting a literal discussion of mental health when I opened this thread.

I am going to do my darnest to bring this back to mass effect.

with the persepective of your sentence we should account for the "feelings" that the entertainment can cause be it joy or hapiness, or even sadness and despair. (and in the case of mass effect, for some people trauma).

We can't deny our feelings (trust me I have tried for a multitude of things) they are there, and this is the power of the medium.

And personally this was what was so powerful about mass effect, and the skill of bioware.

[AlanC9]

EnvyTB075 wrote...


That and Tarentino didn't ask for your money before you got to see the movie. 

He didn't? Last time I went to a theater I paid before I saw the movie.

[EnvyTB075]

AlanC9 wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...


That and Tarentino didn't ask for your money before you got to see the movie. 

He didn't? Last time I went to a theater I paid before I saw the movie.

Ok, didn't ask for your money months before the game came out.







Didn't think i needed to clarify that one.

[alsonamedbort]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...


That and Tarentino didn't ask for your money before you got to see the movie. 

He didn't? Last time I went to a theater I paid before I saw the movie.

Ok, didn't ask for your money months before the game came out.







Didn't think i needed to clarify that one.

I guess you're referring to preorders?  Movie tickets can be preordered a couple of months in advance.

[EnvyTB075]

alsonamedbort wrote...

I guess you're referring to preorders?  Movie tickets can be preordered a couple of months in advance.

Well thats news to me.

[Doriath666]

Arbiter156 wrote...

the catalysts logic is still as screwed up as ever, the writing is as poor as it was before (efficitively telling me to disregard the entire series before so that i can make way for ERMAGERD GREEN LAZORS).

each of the endings violate one of the fundamental core themes of the series.

control; basically the freedom you fought for? nah dont matter now you're space reaper lord supreme. the right for civilization to choose its own path? nah just scare em with reapers if they don't do as they're told.

destroy: you fought for a civilization, that relys on the relays for travel, the codex sums it up "without them galactic civilization as we know it wouldn't exist". oh and you've just killed the geth (if you saved them or made peace) and edi, both of whom are examples which blow huge holes in the catalysts logic.

and as for synthesis;

it basically says "organics arent perfect so lets force perfection on them, tech = peace (step 4 profit?) and everyones happy". so what happens when the culture stagnates? is the galaxy just going to vegatate?

and not only that you built an alliance of diverse races and the game is specific that that diversity is extremely important in helping galatic civilisation overcome its obstacles.

dont matter now you've gene r*ped the entire galaxy so that everyone is the same now kthnxby.

and on a higher narrative level? it kills the entire universe; no advancement, no conflicts = no future for MEU.


and to top all of these options off each one is a tasty form of suicide. the breath scene is nothing but an easter egg (like halo legendary endings (except they actually continued)).

refuse? well sh*t we all died, goodbye.

at the end.....

"would you like another story?"

if thats how it will always end?... NO.

and all this doesnt even cover a 10th of my problems with the ending.

i fail to see how any dlc which doesn't adress the ending in some capacity can ensure a good future for the series which has been my all time favorite.

yes im quite mad.

bioware, i didnt ask for this, i doubt anyone asked for this, we asked for everything but this.

i'd be sad to see the end of shepard's journey in any event but i would want it to be a good, heartwarming and beautifull send off.... but not.... this...

Not gonna read it all, just gonna say...Mass Effect Happy Ending Mod.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

^ Ditto. If inclined to play ME again, put in MEHEM before passing GO. Otherwise, stay in Jail.

[Pelle6666]

Did you really play the EC? Doesn't sound like it. I mean, the relays are not completely destroyed in the destroy option and that even lets Shepard survive. A pretty ok-ish ending by my standards.

[Arbiter156]

^^ and in gonna say not everyone plays PC and secondly that some don't agree with it because it is still based on the same broken idea which ruined the endings in first place.

[EnvyTB075]

Pelle6666 wrote...

Did you really play the EC? Doesn't sound like it. I mean, the relays are not completely destroyed in the destroy option and that even lets Shepard survive. A pretty ok-ish ending by my standards.

Shepard already survives in the original destroy ending, however that also isn't a feather in the games cap simply because the choice is still presented as a "no-win" scenario for Shepards personal health. Star Brat doesn't say "you will destroy all synthetic life, but you will survive". The survival scene is merely a surprise after the fact, and is invalid for weighing up the pros and cons of the Extended Cut.

Also, the relays and Shepards survival are far from the most important things the EC needed to fix, yet didn't.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 19 février 2013 - 11:23 .

[Getorex]

Yate wrote...

Getorex wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

Alessar1288 wrote...

Yate wrote...

if you still find yourself upset/angry/violated at the ending to a video game a year old you should seriously seek psychiatric help

seriously.

I am so glad we have psychiatrists on the bioware forums giving advice. I am curious since were all being condesending (not to mention supremely arrogant)...

what form of psychiatry would be best suited for our "mental illness"?

[snip]

I thought there was only one kind of psychiatry. The kind that looks at you and then tosses a presecription for antidepressants or stimulants at you. 

no

go away

You know, you just aren't very good at conversation OR intelligent response.  I suspect you think a great deal of yourself.

Stop it.

[SoloShepard]

Dubozz wrote...

SoloShepard wrote...

Dubozz wrote...

SoloShepard wrote...

Wake up, kiddies, this is the really real world. Stuff happens. 

Well, following you logic they get what they deserved, don't they? A lot of "top game bla bla bla awards" for EA and bosses and a lot of "feedback" from disappointed  fans about "controversial ending" for devs. A way to go Bioware, a way to go.

Out of my entire post this is all you read? Or just all you understood? Because what you said doesn't even come close to "following" my logic, unless by "following" you mean "going completely in the opposite direction of"..

Not sure what are you trying to say by that. "Bioware made a great game with awful disappointing ending, but HEY, it's Bioware! Guys come on! Bioware! lets cut them some slack!" **** no man. Every industry has limited resourses, deadlines, media potics etc. Everyone understand this. It's not some kind of revelation of something. But when, as you said, 'stuff happens' there must be consequences or we will get this "stuff" again and again. Bioware devs made a great job with ME3? Without a doubt. Awful ending screw the series for a lot of people? Without a doubt.  Everyone is ****ed? Yes. We want this to happen again? "Guys. come on, Lets cut them some slack!" **** No man, i don't want this to happen again, so i'm going to bash this ending until every game developer will think like this: "I'm not Bioware, i'm not sure i'll survive in ****storm such as this, i'll better save some resourses for the ending". I may only hope that neither fans or devs will ever experience "ending controversy" such as this.

Well I do apologize. I had no idea people's motives were quite so noble as fighting a battle for the quality of all future video games by making an example of Bioware...

Whatever.

I just thought after a year of complaining, it might be helpful for some people to step back and try to see things from the other guys perspective. But that's no fun, is it? So forget I said anything. That's my plan.

[CronoDragoon]

EnvyTB075 wrote...
Different medium, different standards. When filmakers document, demo and preview their work for two years in the lead up for release and make movies that 20 hours plus, then you would have a valid comparison.

You'll have to show how that relates to one medium necessitating apologies and one not.

That and Tarentino didn't ask for your money before you got to see the movie.

Pre-orders aren't guarantees from BioWare that you'll like something.

And seeing a movie costs a paltry $15 bucks compared to the $100's that games do, where on one platform specifically you have to pay an additional $50 to play the online part of the game.

Movies also run a paltry 2-3 hours. Games, by far, give you a better price-to-product ratio when considering hours spent playing/watching the product.

He also didn't have millions of fans waiting for Django. He said "I want to make this movie", and did it pretty much out of no where as i only heard about it when it was already in cinemas.

You heard it here, folks, Tarantino doesn't have millions of fans.

None of these arguments tell me why game makers need to apologize for making a game you didn't like. You just listed any differences that came to your mind, and some of them actually weaken your argument.

[Xx_Belzak_xX]

The ending to ME3 is by far the worst bit of writing I've ever had the misfortune of witnessing. Any writer worth their salt would see the problems with this ending from miles off. Aside from violating the themes from the entire rest of the series, the catalyst's logic is just complete and utter rubbish. If a human can see this, I fail to see how any decent AI would not realize this either.

In summary, whoever wrote these endings should be ashamed. It's downright embarrassing. I'd be embarrassed to be associated with such a piece of writing in any way, shape, or form.

Modifié par Xx_Belzak_xX, 19 février 2013 - 03:41 .

[thefallen2far]

To the OP.... ever hear that doctor joke about the patient who says it hurts everytime he twists his arm until his thumb touches his elbow and the doctor says, "then don't do it." It's the same principal. It was a bad ending. It was a bad ending a year ago, it's a bad ending now. Hey, i'd love for Shepard to not be a failure at the end too, but in the end, he was. To some it makes him human, to me it makes him ineffective..... pun intended.

Modifié par thefallen2far, 19 février 2013 - 04:24 .

[giftfish]

@OP --

Ignore the trolls, don't engage them.

Also, your reaction is why I've only played ME3 once -- and barely made it through it at that. There are many, many other folks in the same boat. Many of them fans of BW since Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, etc.

In contrast, I have at least a half a dozen completionist PTs (each) of ME1 and ME2, and own all DLCs for both except Pinnacle Station. Unless this upcoming ME3 DLC does crazy, and I mean crazy things to the game, the series will always end for me at ME2. It still makes me quite sad and angry, actually. It's akin to completely farking up the final installment of a much-loved book or movie series.

In this case, though, the difference is that folks take it even *more* seriously because they actually get to be an active player in telling and experiencing the story -- rather than just a passive reader/watcher.

As such the emotional investment of these games is much larger, and the blowback from an irritated and disappointed customer base is proportionate to this aspect.