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[o Ventus]

Auld Wulf wrote...

 Except that it's established in the game's lore that Synthesis is optional per individual?

Your fan fiction is canon now?

[Arbiter156]

In the end though would it really be such a bad choice to say "I don't want to ascend, I don't want to be perfect, I just want to be me, you don't have the right to take away my freedom and nor should you, I will win this on our terms and then the galaxy can build its own peace"?

I mean really is that not a more ideal option?

[noobcannon]

Auld Wulf wrote...

@OP

Except that the Catalyst tells you that you can't force Synthesis? Except that it's established in the game's lore that Synthesis is optional per individual?

The amount of people who don't have "observation" as a personal skill, at all, is amazing.

i'm ron burgundy?

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

Auld Wulf wrote...

@OP

Except that the Catalyst tells you that you can't force Synthesis? Except that it's established in the game's lore that Synthesis is optional per individual?

The amount of people who don't have "observation" as a personal skill, at all, is amazing.

...I don't recall the Catalyst saying that synthesis was going to be an option given to every individual.

I suppose that would be one way to interpret it if you wanted to try and salvage that sequence, but the tone of it and the logic around that scene suggests its compulsory in order to end the conflict and remove the "diversity" that starts fights.

[Arbiter156]

Auld Wulf wrote...

@OP

Except that the Catalyst tells you that you can't force Synthesis? Except that it's established in the game's lore that Synthesis is optional per individual?

The amount of people who don't have "observation" as a personal skill, at all, is amazing.

except that I am one of the most observant people you could meet. No-one else in the galaxy is making that choice, Shepard is deciding for them, without asking them or warning them, I would call that "forced".

[H2Ape]

Arbiter156 wrote...

In the end though would it really be such a bad choice to say "I don't want to ascend, I don't want to be perfect, I just want to be me, you don't have the right to take away my freedom and nor should you, I will win this on our terms and then the galaxy can build its own peace"?

I mean really is that not a more ideal option?

You kind of get that with the refuse ending. Except for the victory bit. Ok, that's not true, there is victory for the next cycle.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I clicked your profile. You're playing on the PC? I can see you need a hug, a mug, and Click This Link 4 THIS MOD

There. Now go back and enjoy the game again.

Arbiter156 wrote...

the catalysts logic is still as screwed up as ever, the writing is as poor as it was before (efficitively telling me to disregard the entire series before so that i can make way for ERMAGERD GREEN LAZORS).

... snipped ...

i'd be sad to see the end of shepard's journey in any event but i would want it to be a good, heartwarming and beautifull send off.... but not.... this...

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 15 février 2013 - 02:24 .

[noobcannon]

PKchu wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

@OP

Except that the Catalyst tells you that you can't force Synthesis? Except that it's established in the game's lore that Synthesis is optional per individual?

The amount of people who don't have "observation" as a personal skill, at all, is amazing.

...I don't recall the Catalyst saying that synthesis was going to be an option given to every individual.

I suppose that would be one way to interpret it if you wanted to try and salvage that sequence, but the tone of it and the logic around that scene suggests its compulsory in order to end the conflict and remove the "diversity" that starts fights.

you must be new around here. wulf's head cannon = fact. oh and if you disagree, it means you support genocide, you're a monster, you're an idiot, you eat babies, etc. etc.

Modifié par noobcannon, 15 février 2013 - 02:42 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Auld Wulf wrote...

@OP

Except that the Catalyst tells you that you can't force Synthesis? Except that it's established in the game's lore that Synthesis is optional per individual?

The amount of people who don't have "observation" as a personal skill, at all, is amazing.

Right. That's TOTALLY something Javik would choose. <_<

[Arbiter156]

H2Ape wrote...

Arbiter156 wrote...

In the end though would it really be such a bad choice to say "I don't want to ascend, I don't want to be perfect, I just want to be me, you don't have the right to take away my freedom and nor should you, I will win this on our terms and then the galaxy can build its own peace"?

I mean really is that not a more ideal option?

You kind of get that with the refuse ending. Except for the victory bit. Ok, that's not true, there is victory for the next cycle.

except that there really is no substance to refuse at all. There is no Victory for you, you merely give the next cycle a better chance, that's their victory not yours.

[AdmiralCheez]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Except that the Catalyst tells you that you can't force Synthesis?

What a trustworthy source of information, that Catalyst.  Boy, it's not like the Reapers ever lied to anyone.

Except that it's established in the game's lore that Synthesis is optional per individual?

A. Synthesis is optional per individual.
B. Javik gets Synthesized.
C. Javik would NEVER agree to get Synthesized.
D. Therefore, premise A must be false.

@DeinonSlayer: BEAT ME TO IT YOU WILEY RASCAL!

@OP: I know how you feel.  Sorry, man. :c

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 15 février 2013 - 02:27 .

[liggy002]

Arbiter156 wrote...

the catalysts logic is still as screwed up as ever, the writing is as poor as it was before (efficitively telling me to disregard the entire series before so that i can make way for ERMAGERD GREEN LAZORS).

each of the endings violate one of the fundamental core themes of the series.

control; basically the freedom you fought for? nah dont matter now you're space reaper lord supreme. the right for civilization to choose its own path? nah just scare em with reapers if they don't do as they're told.

destroy: you fought for a civilization, that relys on the relays for travel, the codex sums it up "without them galactic civilization as we know it wouldn't exist". oh and you've just killed the geth (if you saved them or made peace) and edi, both of whom are examples which blow huge holes in the catalysts logic.

and as for synthesis;

it basically says "organics arent perfect so lets force perfection on them, tech = peace (step 4 profit?) and everyones happy". so what happens when the culture stagnates? is the galaxy just going to vegatate?

and not only that you built an alliance of diverse races and the game is specific that that diversity is extremely important in helping galatic civilisation overcome its obstacles.

dont matter now you've gene r*ped the entire galaxy so that everyone is the same now kthnxby.

and on a higher narrative level? it kills the entire universe; no advancement, no conflicts = no future for MEU.


and to top all of these options off each one is a tasty form of suicide. the breath scene is nothing but an easter egg (like halo legendary endings (except they actually continued)).

refuse? well sh*t we all died, goodbye.

at the end.....

"would you like another story?"

if thats how it will always end?... NO.

and all this doesnt even cover a 10th of my problems with the ending.

i fail to see how any dlc which doesn't adress the ending in some capacity can ensure a good future for the series which has been my all time favorite.

yes im quite mad.

bioware, i didnt ask for this, i doubt anyone asked for this, we asked for everything but this.

i'd be sad to see the end of shepard's journey in any event but i would want it to be a good, heartwarming and beautifull send off.... but not.... this...

Agreed, the ending is an utterly amoral and lacking in any integrity whatsoever.  No matter what you do, you're  a jerk villain.

[Storm258]

Have to agree with you here, OP.
I assumed if enough time passes I will feel differently about the ending, but it still is as horrible, insulting and non-sensical as it was in the beginning. Sure it doesn't haunt me nearly as much anymore as it did back then, but it's still a slap in the face every time I remember it.

I even created this here thinking about how in the world this could have possibly happened.

[Indy_S]

Nice comic.

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

noobcannon wrote...

you must be new around here. wulf's head cannon = fact. oh and if you disagree, it means you support geocide, you're a monster, you're an idiot, you eat babies, etc. etc.

Oh, no - I've been around elsewhere. I just tend to avoid these discussions as it's like rattling a hornet's nest. That thought seemed unique and interesting enough in a sort of "pretty snowflake" way to respond to it.

As for the latter, sounds like a terrible discussion and a waste of time. Have fun, everyone else!

[liggy002]

Storm258 wrote...

Have to agree with you here, OP.
I assumed if enough time passes I will feel differently about the ending, but it still is as horrible, insulting and non-sensical as it was in the beginning. Sure it doesn't haunt me nearly as much anymore as it did back then, but it's still a slap in the face every time I remember it.

I even created this here thinking about how in the world this could have possibly happened.

LOL... I wonder if that guy was Patrick Weekes except that he obviously didn't get thrown out a window.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Ah, I saw you played this one on the 360. Bah. I won't do another run on the 360. I know exactly how the OP feels.

I just got my PC back and I've got ME1, ME2, and ME3 ready to go on a Core 2 Quad Q6600 WinXP w/ a GeForce GTX 560Ti. I'll have MEHEM installed for ME3. Full run from teh beginning of ME w/ texture mods & with Fraps running. Happy ending or bust.

[Arbiter156]

@shotgun Julia

I do have a PC copy but I merely use if for screwing with the coalesced file, I have always played on Xbox (can't use a mouse or keyboard to save my life) ultimately my connection to ME is on Xbox and its just not there on PC for me I suspect the same would be true of someone in the opposite position.

What saddens me about this most is that we are all even having this conversation. What should be happening is I should be running around informing people that mass effect is the best thing since sliced bread.

[Arbiter156]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Ah, I saw you played this one on the 360. Bah. I won't do another run on the 360. I know exactly how the OP feels.

I just got my PC back and I've got ME1, ME2, and ME3 ready to go on a Core 2 Quad Q6600 WinXP w/ a GeForce GTX 560Ti. I'll have MEHEM installed for ME3. Full run from teh beginning of ME w/ texture mods & with Fraps running. Happy ending or bust.

oh I have the processing power for all that, just not enough emotional connection.

[cmessaz]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I clicked your profile. You're playing on the PC? I can see you need a hug, a mug, and Click This Link 4 THIS MOD

There. Now go back and enjoy the game again.

This :happy:


I understand OP, I too thought if I replayed it, maybe I would pick up on something, or like it better if I chose a different route. But nope, not at all. I understand the ideas just fine, they just don't seem to fit in the series to me. I personally loved the rest of the game, so MEHEM made it better. Give it a try! 

As always, this is all my opinion. Others are entitled to their own, I'm not trying to convince anyone. Yes after 4 years on BSN I have learned to add some form of disclaimer to my posts. <_< 

[Jadebaby]

I'm with you OP, and I'm still just as angry as I was 11 months ago.

[Getorex]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Ah, I saw you played this one on the 360. Bah. I won't do another run on the 360. I know exactly how the OP feels.

I just got my PC back and I've got ME1, ME2, and ME3 ready to go on a Core 2 Quad Q6600 WinXP w/ a GeForce GTX 560Ti. I'll have MEHEM installed for ME3. Full run from teh beginning of ME w/ texture mods & with Fraps running. Happy ending or bust.

I am just finishing a new run of ME1 and intend to go through ME2 and 3 again with the MEHEM addition.  Playing ME1 I get the feeling again that makes me think it is still the best game of the trilogy. It has the best, most coherent story that unfolds nicely and cleverly. It has THE best role play aspects of all three.  Conversations are less handheld and much more based on your previous actions.  I also realized something.  On Ilos when you speak to Vigil you are given a clue that points to how the Reapers could be defeated in a way totally at odds with everything given in ME3. Vigil tells you about how the Reapers hibernate in dark space for thousands of years between cycles, dormant and VULNERABLE.  That should have been the initial setup to how the Reapers could have been defeated in ME3 - rather than meeting up with a star kid from left field and fighting an impossible war (because the Reaper's route to entry into the galaxy had been shut down in ME1) ME3 should have been story-based like ME1 with a race against time to get to the Reapers in dark space to hit them while "vulnerable" in hibernation OR locking them in dark space this time and forcing them to try and find some alternative SLOW way of getting back in much MUCH later.  Instead we got ME3 full of anti-role play autodialog up the ying yang where the player was mostly a mere passive observer of the scripted action rather than a driver of the action. 

I am struck by the difference in feel between ME1 and the others. It's like the people involved in ME2 and 3 had nothing to do with the original story and characters of ME1 and simply used the galaxy and characters from 1 as a jumping off point for a totally new story line.  Sucks. Hard.

Overall, playing ME1 now after so long I am able to (almost) forget the foul odor of the ending game for a while and enjoy a truly good game that was the first one. 

Hey, Bioware, if you still have it in you - more like ME1 and no more like ME3. M'kay?

Modifié par Getorex, 15 février 2013 - 02:51 .

[Arbiter156]

Jadebaby wrote...

I'm with you OP, and I'm still just as angry as I was 11 months ago.

i read your "brunch" blog post before I must say I nearly died laughing.

[Uncle Jo]

Auld Wulf wrote...

@OP

Except that the Catalyst tells you that you can't force Synthesis? Except that it's established in the game's lore that Synthesis is optional per individual?

The amount of people who don't have "observation" as a personal skill, at all, is amazing.

I'd like to have some of the stuff you smoke.

[BansheeOwnage]

Jadebaby wrote...

I'm with you OP, and I'm still just as angry as I was 11 months ago.

Bleh. Me too.