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[Bob Garbage]

It will always be disappointing, but I will always be more disappointed by Priority; Earth's mission. I quite enjoy the game up until that point though, so whatever. It does suck that they didn't deliver what many fans wanted, but I think this could have more to do with Bioware biting off more than they could chew in the whole make decisions, forge your own universe type of thing, and it's not as though the games before it were more true to this concept either. We just all thought ME3 was going to have varied story arcs (QUITE varied, mind you) which didn't really happen. Though it DID happen more than either game before it.

Quite frankly, a lot of this has to do with the lies the devs spread about the game. Even within ME2 it reinforces that all those big decisions are going to result in a unique universe during the loading screens, and all the crap they said leading up to ME3's release. At the end of the day, I think disappointment is ultimately what people are feeling, maybe a little betrayal. But none of these things take away from the from ME3 still being a pretty sweet game. Just immensely disappointing.

Modifié par Bob Garbage, 15 février 2013 - 01:10 .

[pseudonymic]

 yep. same here. a year later and it still feels incomplete.

[Colancio]

pseudonymic wrote...

 yep. same here. a year later and it still feels incomplete.

Same here, the game still lacks of a decent ending or closure.

[DDG4005]

 I think after nearly a year it's time to let this issue go.  Seriously.

[lordhugorune]

If it makes the original poster feel any better, I finished the game for the second time not too long ago, and I felt absolutely exhilarated from the experience and pleased with what Shepherd accomplished in my alternate universe. Then I got stuck into multiplayer and had even more fun. So our experiences balance out. I'm now playing with the intention of finishing ME3 a third time, and I'm looking forward to the ending once more.
See, this is what I do. If I like a game experience, I replay it (assuming there's some possible variety in gameplay and story). If I don't, I move on.

Modifié par lordhugorune, 15 février 2013 - 02:13 .

[ozthegweat]

RedBeardJim wrote...

ozthegweat wrote...

Arbiter156 wrote...

[...]

destroy: you fought for a civilization, that relys on the relays for travel, the codex sums it up "without them galactic civilization as we know it wouldn't exist". oh and you've just killed the geth (if you saved them or made peace) and edi, both of whom are examples which blow huge holes in the catalysts logic.

[...]

I never understood this: you're by far not the first to say "I just reunited the Geth and the Quarians, how dare BioWare tell me that peace between organics and machines is impossible". But who says the Catalyst's argument is correct?

Well, if you don't go along with the Catalyst you get the "Rocks fall, everyone dies" Refusal ending, so I'd say that Bioware says the Catalyst's argument is correct.

Everyone dieing is because of the overwhelming Reaper forces and Shep not doing anything. This has nothing to do with the Catalyst's argument that the created will always rebel against their creators.

[jkflipflopDAO]

I feel the same way. My biggest problem with the endings is that the Starbrat's mere existence on the Citadel completely invalidates the story of ME1. There's no way in hell a team of Prothean scientists (no matter how smart) managed to get on the Citadel and "hack" the billion+ year old AI without it being able to notice or do anything about it in 50,000 years of lead time.

[Commander Wookie]

Just finished my first play through of the series a couple of weeks ago (I know I'm a lil late to the party) and yea I didn’t quite get the logic behind the Catalyst. The Catalyst basically says (and please feel free to point out where I maybe wrong in the interpretation) in the end that it allows the Reapers to harvest organic life & tech every cycle because organics always somehow come close to inventing advanced AIs, that always end up wanting to destroy their organic creators.


The thing that doesn’t add up to me is throughout the entire ME universe all the lore of huge galactic battles and potential mass extinction, in the game, takes place between organics vs organics.


Racni Wars - Racni vs rest of Galaxy
Krogan Rebellion - Krogan vs rest of Galaxy
First Contact Wars - Turian vs Humans (this was more isolated in terms of galactic battles)


The only battle that even remotely begins to establishes the Catalyst logic is the Quarians vs Geth (and of course this battle was a more isolated event in terms of other galactic wars, nowhere near the terms of my first two wars mentioned & for those paragon sheps this problem was solved peacefully).  Geths also only had real beef with the Quarians, there was no one else in the galaxy they were at open war with.

Let me know if I’m wrong here, but the games really didn’t establish any other significant historical battles between synthetics & humans throughout all the other previous cycles before (besides of course the only one that really mattered the Galaxy vs Reapers). No history or not enough was really provided in this department to really make me feel that AIs were the true cause of all this mess (besides of course the Reapers being the only AIs that truly established the description of dangerous genocidal AIs). To me it would of made much more sense for the Catalyst to say I’m here to save organics from exterminating each other. 

Be gentle, first time poster & sorry for the semi looong post.

Needless to say it did leave a terribly bad taste in my mouth & yea I shot the Catalyst.

[Armass81]

wow, another ending thread.... yep, havent seen that before...

Oh and the universe aint limited to our galaxy alone.

Why do people keep using that word, do they even know what "universe " means?

Modifié par Armass81, 15 février 2013 - 02:53 .

[Arbiter156]

What I find most curious is that some people think I'm having a mental breakdown. Hint: I'm not

[Matchy Pointy]

Eterna5 wrote...

You feel violated by the ending to a videogame?

Alright then.

This. Its just a game, and saying you feel violated by that lessens the real meaning of someone getting violated.

[GreyLycanTrope]

I think my perspective on ME3 and how it concluded has been well documented at this point.

[Zaalbar]

You think you were violated? by Mass Effect 3?

Go and check out Aliens Colonial Marines...
After 6 years of waiting you`ll feel like you was forced to pick up the soap and voilated against your will.

Modifié par zaalbar76, 15 février 2013 - 03:26 .

[Wayning_Star]

zaalbar76 wrote...

You think you were violated? by Mass Effect 3?

Go and check out Aliens Colonial Marines...
After 6 years of waiting you`ll feel like you was forced to pick up the soup and voilated against your will.

when Fox Strikes Back...

soap has an A in it by the way..lol

[dead_goon]

Violated by the ending to a vid game?, really?, wow!, some of you folks on here are far too fragile for your own good, real life can be eye wateringly brutal & heart breaking at times, when those dark days come, & they do to all of us at some stage or other in our lives, i suspect some of you will buckle & break under the strain.

[Zaalbar]

Wayning_Star wrote...

zaalbar76 wrote...

You think you were violated? by Mass Effect 3?

Go and check out Aliens Colonial Marines...
After 6 years of waiting you`ll feel like you was forced to pick up the soup and voilated against your will.

when Fox Strikes Back...

soap has an A in it by the way..lol

LOL

Corrected

[Eshaye]

Commander Wookie wrote...

To me it would of made much more sense for the Catalyst to say I’m here to save organics from exterminating each other. 

Yep pretty much, this is exactly what would have made sense, and I think replaying ME1 that may have been the orignal theme. The Reapers were saving us from ourselves. I profoundly dislike the notion that it was to preserve us from machines killing us anyway because... That's what the reapers are doing!! Or sure they let us flourish again but they stop us from getting any further, it's flawed. And what is it is our destiny to be destroyed by machines? What of the machines? We've seen examples that not all of them would want to wipe out organics, perhaps 'synthesis' would just naturally have happened whithout the Reapers. Which reminds me of the cylons and humans from Battlestar.

Also organics and synthetics are not all that different, pick up a chemistry book and then bang your head on a table asking yourself why they would go that way with the theme when in reality we are all the sum of an equation..... 

The catalyst is really just very frustrating and unbelievable

[redBadger14]

Funny, because I've played it again and it makes perfect sense to me now.

Get over it and yourself.

P.S. Statutory rape does not apply to ME3, sorry.

[sharkboy421]

Commander Wookie wrote...
The thing that doesn’t add up to me is throughout the entire ME universe all the lore of huge galactic battles and potential mass extinction, in the game, takes place between organics vs organics.

The only battle that even remotely begins to establishes the Catalyst logic is the Quarians vs Geth (and of course this battle was a more isolated event in terms of other galactic wars, nowhere near the terms of my first two wars mentioned & for those paragon sheps this problem was solved peacefully).  Geths also only had real beef with the Quarians, there was no one else in the galaxy they were at open war with.

Let me know if I’m wrong here, but the games really didn’t establish any other significant historical battles between synthetics & humans throughout all the other previous cycles before (besides of course the only one that really mattered the Galaxy vs Reapers). No history or not enough was really provided in this department to really make me feel that AIs were the true cause of all this mess (besides of course the Reapers being the only AIs that truly established the description of dangerous genocidal AIs). To me it would of made much more sense for the Catalyst to say I’m here to save organics from exterminating each other.

Needless to say it did leave a terribly bad taste in my mouth & yea I shot the Catalyst.

Did some minor sniping to save space.

Everything you said Wookie is correct.  The only real "war" we have seen in ME is between the geth and quarians.  I feel the reaper war does not count as the reapers are attempting to kill everyone including the geth.  So for me, the Morning War has always been the representation of the larger synthetic vs organic theme/conflict/etc in Mass Effect.  And however you decide to end it, Rannoch close that portion of the story.

It is very jarring for me to have the catalyst not only bring this back up, but to also claim it will always happen when the only clear evidence we have of this conflict shows that the war started because the quarians flipped out and the geth retailated with massive force.  While Javik does mention the Metacon War during his cycle, we know nothing about it except for its name.  There is simply far too little evidence for the catalyst, in my opinion, to make such a striking and important claim.  I also feel it is a very sudden and awkward "twist" just for the sake of being a twist, but that is a bit off topic.

Also was it a bit of shock to shoot the catalyst and see the result?

[BirdsallSa]

sharkboy421 wrote...

Commander Wookie wrote...
The thing that doesn’t add up to me is throughout the entire ME universe all the lore of huge galactic battles and potential mass extinction, in the game, takes place between organics vs organics.

The only battle that even remotely begins to establishes the Catalyst logic is the Quarians vs Geth (and of course this battle was a more isolated event in terms of other galactic wars, nowhere near the terms of my first two wars mentioned & for those paragon sheps this problem was solved peacefully).  Geths also only had real beef with the Quarians, there was no one else in the galaxy they were at open war with.

Let me know if I’m wrong here, but the games really didn’t establish any other significant historical battles between synthetics & humans throughout all the other previous cycles before (besides of course the only one that really mattered the Galaxy vs Reapers). No history or not enough was really provided in this department to really make me feel that AIs were the true cause of all this mess (besides of course the Reapers being the only AIs that truly established the description of dangerous genocidal AIs). To me it would of made much more sense for the Catalyst to say I’m here to save organics from exterminating each other.

Needless to say it did leave a terribly bad taste in my mouth & yea I shot the Catalyst.

Did some minor sniping to save space.

Everything you said Wookie is correct.  The only real "war" we have seen in ME is between the geth and quarians.  I feel the reaper war does not count as the reapers are attempting to kill everyone including the geth.  So for me, the Morning War has always been the representation of the larger synthetic vs organic theme/conflict/etc in Mass Effect.  And however you decide to end it, Rannoch close that portion of the story.

It is very jarring for me to have the catalyst not only bring this back up, but to also claim it will always happen when the only clear evidence we have of this conflict shows that the war started because the quarians flipped out and the geth retailated with massive force.  While Javik does mention the Metacon War during his cycle, we know nothing about it except for its name.  There is simply far too little evidence for the catalyst, in my opinion, to make such a striking and important claim.  I also feel it is a very sudden and awkward "twist" just for the sake of being a twist, but that is a bit off topic.

Also was it a bit of shock to shoot the catalyst and see the result?

The Catalyst has been around for billions of years collecting data. Who are you to question his evidence after a few hours of observing the ME universe?

[CronoDragoon]

You can't be violated by a video game.