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[hiraeth]

RobotWalk wrote...

MassEffectFShep wrote...

I think we disagree on what words constitute "incendiary language;" or at least I didn't jump straight to the most offensive interpretation of the term "violated" when I first read the post. In any case, as I said in my original post, if you find the term offensive then just say that the term is offensive (or PM it to the OP). The point of my post is to discourage people who mock and/or insult the OP for using that term. I don't think that people who mock or insult the OP for using the term have any more right to lecture people on civil behavior than a person who uses the term in the first place...seems like you would agree since you believe that the strength of one's argument relies on effective word choice.

So the OP can post how they feel, and insult Bioware by implying that their product somehow caused them harm, but people who disagree with that assessment can't post how they feel?

Your selective censorship is adorable.

i'm discouraging people from disagreeing by using mockery and insulting, i didn't say they can't post at all (or even that they *can't* post mockery and insults). i'm allowed to give my opinion too, remember?

oh, and thanks. your attempt at passive aggression is super cute!

Modifié par MassEffectFShep, 15 février 2013 - 07:19 .

[Dubozz]

Jadebaby wrote...

I'm with you OP, and I'm still just as angry as I was 11 months ago.

[darkway1]

No offence.......go look up the meaning of violate,the OP uses the word in perfect context...(to break or disregard).....go educate yourselves.

[AlanC9]

darkway1 wrote...

No offence.......go look up the meaning of violate,the OP uses the word in perfect context...(to break or disregard).....go educate yourselves.

Unless someone specifies what sort of violation is being talked about, "violate" typically defaults to meaning 5 in ordinary usage. So people are assuming that the thread title is hyperbole.

Scroll down on this page for a cartoon relying on this usage (one up from the bottom).

[AlanC9]

sharkboy421 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

sharkboy421 wrote...

That's my point, I don't know what his evidence is.  In the two other major conflicts of the series where we have direct influence over the outcome, the genophage and the morning war, we are given plenty of context and evidence about each situation so that we can make the choice we feel is the best one.

Well, the thesis is that sufficiently advanced AIs would surpass organics' capabilities. And since the cycles prevent the galaxy from getting to that level of technology, the solution prevents him from gathering evidence about whether the problem is real or not.

But there had to have been something that lead him to his conclusions.  Something happened before the first cycle began that gave the catalyst the information he needed to make this thesis.  I would like to know what that is, whatever it happens to be.

That's a reasonable thing to want, sure. My assumption is that he's just plain wrong, but it'd be nice to be able to see the mistake. OTOH, if we can prove he's wrong with evidence, then how come he hasn't figured that out already? It'd be more likely that evidence, if Bio gave us any, would prove he's right. And I'm happier with him being probably wrong than with him being certainly right.

[redBadger14]

Let's all take this moment to remind the OP that, as of right now, over 1000 people in Russia are injured or possibly worse because of the meteorite that struck about 12 hours ago or so.

Not to be an ass, but the OP's pitiable claim of being "violated" by a video game is pathetic when you consider the events of today. Could the OP at least learn to grow up, along with anyone else who plays the "violated person" card?

Some people on BSN simply do not have any reasonable regard for real problems compared to their trivial video game ones.

[abch4]

redBadger14 wrote...

Let's all take this moment to remind the OP that, as of right now, over 1000 people in Russia are injured or possibly worse because of the meteorite that struck about 12 hours ago or so.

Not to be an ass, but the OP's pitiable claim of being "violated" by a video game is pathetic when you consider the events of today. Could the OP at least learn to grow up, along with anyone else who plays the "violated person" card?

Some people on BSN simply do not have any reasonable regard for real problems compared to their trivial video game ones.

I agree somewhat, but the OP has been violated and made to feel angry & upset, show a little sympathy. 

[sharkboy421]

AlanC9 wrote...
That's a reasonable thing to want, sure. My assumption is that he's just plain wrong, but it'd be nice to be able to see the mistake. OTOH, if we can prove he's wrong with evidence, then how come he hasn't figured that out already? It'd be more likely that evidence, if Bio gave us any, would prove he's right. And I'm happier with him being probably wrong than with him being certainly right.

Thats a fair point.  I guess my whole point is that the endings are inappropriate for ME.  The catalyst's odd assertion and lack of evidence all seem to point to an ending that was added at the last minute.  To me, this is the major problem.  Its a really cool idea, but they added it far too late in the series to give any proper build up or context.  At least this is how I see the ending.

[Arbiter156]

I did not use the word "violated" in the wrong way, people just seem to assume the worst.

I do think people on BSN do enjoy feeling like they have the "moral high ground". Those that do are the ones who politely tell me they find it offensive, not the ones who stand there dictating to me how to write my own posts.

[redBadger14]

abch4 wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

Let's all take this moment to remind the OP that, as of right now, over 1000 people in Russia are injured or possibly worse because of the meteorite that struck about 12 hours ago or so.

Not to be an ass, but the OP's pitiable claim of being "violated" by a video game is pathetic when you consider the events of today. Could the OP at least learn to grow up, along with anyone else who plays the "violated person" card?

Some people on BSN simply do not have any reasonable regard for real problems compared to their trivial video game ones.

I agree somewhat, but the OP has been violated and made to feel angry & upset, show a little sympathy. 

Maybe space magic will cure it?

[AlanC9]

@sharkboy: Yep. It's a matter of record that the ending was added at the last minute. They never were able to come up with a plan they really liked.

Modifié par AlanC9, 15 février 2013 - 08:03 .

[xAmilli0n]

Mesina2 wrote...

xAmilli0n wrote...

Meh, if the ending makes you feel like that OP, then I think it's time to move on and play a different game.

Why people stick around and play something they don't like is beyond me.

Because we love(d) this frachise before the ending(s)?

Then either the endings were enough to make you no longer like the franchise and you move on, or you realize that you still like franchise and look at the endings as a low point which will have no affect on anything prior to them or in the future.

There is really no need for all this drama 1 year after the game released.

[redBadger14]

Arbiter156 wrote...

I did not use the word "violated" in the wrong way, people just seem to assume the worst.

I do think people on BSN do enjoy feeling like they have the "moral high ground". Those that do are the ones who politely tell me they find it offensive, not the ones who stand there dictating to me how to write my own posts.

You did use "violated" in the wrong context. Your thread title affirms this. "I still feel ... violated ... " would appropriate the context that you yourself (your being) were violated, which would fall under desecration, sexual molestation, or rape. You used upset and angered correctly of course, but violated is an inappropriate use of the term for what the thread is about.

Also people like myself do have reason for calling you out or making sarcastic or disapproving posts toward you. After all, this subject on ME3 has been beaten to death a thousand times over 10 months ago; no one really cares now, or frankly, wants to hear it again. Considering the fact there are tons of actually serious problems going on right now, like rampant world hunger and, as I mentioned before, the meteorite in Russia, posts that react so dramatically to the ME3 endings are just unwarranted and silly. There are bigger problems, least of which is a game ending.

You can't sit there and act oblivious to the frustrations of other forum members when you knowingly made a thread that would induce such a negative reaction. 

Modifié par redBadger14, 15 février 2013 - 08:18 .

[redBadger14]

xAmilli0n wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

xAmilli0n wrote...

Meh, if the ending makes you feel like that OP, then I think it's time to move on and play a different game.

Why people stick around and play something they don't like is beyond me.

Because we love(d) this frachise before the ending(s)?

Then either the endings were enough to make you no longer like the franchise and you move on, or you realize that you still like franchise and look at the endings as a low point which will have no affect on anything prior to them or in the future.

There is really no need for all this drama 1 year after the game released.

This, thank you.

[Eterna]

So much drama.

[hiraeth]

redBadger14 wrote...

Arbiter156 wrote...

I did not use the word "violated" in the wrong way, people just seem to assume the worst.

I do think people on BSN do enjoy feeling like they have the "moral high ground". Those that do are the ones who politely tell me they find it offensive, not the ones who stand there dictating to me how to write my own posts.

Also people like myself do have reason for calling you out or making sarcastic or disapproving posts toward you. After all, this subject on ME3 has been beaten to death a thousand times over 10 months ago; no one really cares now, or frankly, wants to hear it again. Considering the fact there are tons of actually serious problems going on right now, like rampant world hunger and, as I mentioned before, the meteorite in Russia, posts that react so dramatically to the ME3 endings are just unwarranted and silly. There are bigger problems, least of which is a game ending.

1. "No one really cares now, or frankly, wants to hear it again"--Completely disagree. Clearly, a lot of peple still care and want to talk/hear about it. The large number of forum threads specifically related to the ending (this isn't including non-ending threads that eventually derail into talk about the ending) speaks for itself. I, myself, am someone who still enjoys having civil discussion about the ending and how it affected people.

2. I find it absurd that you're comparing talking about a video game ending (even if it's in a dramatic way) in a video game forum website to world hunger and the meteorite in Russia. This forum is specifically for discussion about the game, and people can talk about it however they choose within the site rules and code of conduct. No one is going to a thread on world hunger and dramaticizing ME3's ending. This topic is BSN-relevant, and if you disagree then you should PM a moderator and ask them to shut the thread down.

Modifié par MassEffectFShep, 15 février 2013 - 08:29 .

[Arbiter156]

Here is a dictionary reference for those of you who believe that the word Violated is exclusive to rape molesting etc. (it is the last of 5 definitions)

http://m.dictionary..../?linkId=ibc5yn

If you are offended I do apologise, that was not the intention of the post. Ask me politely and I will remedy it, if you just want to stand there and argue I will just ignore you.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Exclusive? No. But I think the OP should look up sentence structure and inference to see why so many people are focusing on what context his phrasing conveyed.

"I still feel violated" really does infere a meaning of sexual molestation or bodily harm when structured in this fashion, which is why it sounds so hyperbolic and dramatic.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 15 février 2013 - 08:39 .

[Arbiter156]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Exclusive? No. But I think the OP should look up sentence structure and inference to see why so many people are focusing on what context his phrasing conveyed.

oh I understand perfectly well, I'm just finding it bizarre that people are calling me the dramatic one when if you read and use good reasoning it is quite clear what I'm getting at.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Arbiter156 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Exclusive? No. But I think the OP should look up sentence structure and inference to see why so many people are focusing on what context his phrasing conveyed.

oh I understand perfectly well, I'm just finding it bizarre that people are calling me the dramatic one when if you read and use good reasoning it is quite clear what I'm getting at.

I think it's more becasue people are making humongous deals over what are essentially harmless jokes.

It's like getting angry and chastizing someone for making a "yo mama" joke and than delving into the complex relationships of matriarchal social dynamics.

[Arbiter156]

@darth brotarian agreed

[clarkusdarkus]

Agreed OP, My 2nd playthrough led me to mars and i just thought " why bother "..

Now 11 months after im drained of it all... I feel the ending of ME3 will always taint and follow the series as it's even cool to hate it nowadays, My problems with ME3 were way before the ending masked its other gaping problems hence no desire to pick it up again which im also less frequent on here, I feel i'll do a square-enix with bioware, abandon there games but always have a few good memories of how they were.

[Commander Wookie]

AlanC9 wrote...

sharkboy421 wrote...

That's my point, I don't know what his evidence is.  In the two other major conflicts of the series where we have direct influence over the outcome, the genophage and the morning war, we are given plenty of context and evidence about each situation so that we can make the choice we feel is the best one.

Well, the thesis is that sufficiently advanced AIs would surpass organics' capabilities. And since the cycles prevent the galaxy from getting to that level of technology, the solution prevents him from gathering evidence about whether the problem is real or not.

My humble opinion concludes that thesis forms a considerable plot hole then, when you take into consideration, why in the world if throughout all these past cycles, Reapers destroyed every bit of advanced historical technology and left no trace (besides Mass Relays) for Shepard or anybody else to find in this cycle, but it just so happens the Reapers purposefully never fully destroy the multiple iterations of designs that become the super weapon of their own destruction ending the cycles.

That to me just doesn’t add up and more context is needed to develop that thesis to stand strongly on its own.

[frostajulie]

Arbiter156 wrote...

the catalysts logic is still as screwed up as ever, the writing is as poor as it was before (efficitively telling me to disregard the entire series before so that i can make way for ERMAGERD GREEN LAZORS).

each of the endings violate one of the fundamental core themes of the series.

control; basically the freedom you fought for? nah dont matter now you're space reaper lord supreme. the right for civilization to choose its own path? nah just scare em with reapers if they don't do as they're told.

destroy: you fought for a civilization, that relys on the relays for travel, the codex sums it up "without them galactic civilization as we know it wouldn't exist". oh and you've just killed the geth (if you saved them or made peace) and edi, both of whom are examples which blow huge holes in the catalysts logic.

and as for synthesis;

it basically says "organics arent perfect so lets force perfection on them, tech = peace (step 4 profit?) and everyones happy". so what happens when the culture stagnates? is the galaxy just going to vegatate?

and not only that you built an alliance of diverse races and the game is specific that that diversity is extremely important in helping galatic civilisation overcome its obstacles.

dont matter now you've gene r*ped the entire galaxy so that everyone is the same now kthnxby.

and on a higher narrative level? it kills the entire universe; no advancement, no conflicts = no future for MEU.


and to top all of these options off each one is a tasty form of suicide. the breath scene is nothing but an easter egg (like halo legendary endings (except they actually continued)).

refuse? well sh*t we all died, goodbye.

at the end.....

"would you like another story?"

if thats how it will always end?... NO.


i fail to see how any dlc which doesn't adress the ending in some capacity can ensure a good future for the series which has been my all time favorite.

yes im quite mad.

bioware, i didnt ask for this, i doubt anyone asked for this, we asked for everything but this.

i'd be sad to see the end of shepard's journey in any event but i would want it to be a good, heartwarming and beautifull send off.... but not.... this...

You sir have completely summed up my own feelings on the matter.  Every single word you posted could have been posted by me word for word.  This is why there was such a backlash against the ending and this is why for myself especially but I KNOW for many others, even with the EC the ending is still a pile of crap that defecates on the rest of an otherwise near perfect franchise.