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dble post.

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Obitim wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

because all the endings suck, so people try to put down others to boost their own.

"mehem is the best, chuck out the rest."


Cheers Jade, but I did ask to avoid the bad writing bit...


When did I say anything about bad writing?

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TurianRebel212 wrote...

Obitim wrote...

TurianRebel212 wrote...

Why did you pick it? Cause I'm not indoctrinated and the reapers and their overlords logic of 'the chaos of the cycles' and 'created will always rise above their creators' is flawed. Peace with turian and krogan. Peace with Geth and Quarian. Talking to leviathan. Reaper and catalyst logic is flawed. Must be destroyed.

How did you see it working out past the slides? Not good. None of the 'endings' choices are good. I loose EDI and the Geth. But I destroyed the Reapers and their non-existent now.. Plus, Shepard wakes up. It's a good thing

What happened within the game that influenced your choice? I played the previous games. Synthesis is proposed by Saren- he's kinda bad and kinda indoctrinated. Control was tried by the protheans, these protheans were indoctrinated. TIM also tried it. Guess what? He was indoctrinated. There's kinda a pattern here. Destroy is what EVERY single ally and friend of Shepard wants including the Geth. Legion's loyalty mission in ME2 showed that, through talking to other squad mates that rewriting (synthesis) the heretics is wrong. The dreams. The catalyst taking the avatar of the kid. Leviathan. Lots more but it's quite the list.

Why didn't you go for the other endings? Refuse you loose. As far as the other endings that let the reapers and reaper code exist. No thanks. Plus, I'm not indoctrinated.


Did you read my original post at all?

Not sure if you mean is like this but certain parts come across like you're talking to idiots:
What happened within the game that influenced your choice? I played the previous games - so did I but had a different interpretation playing through them

Synthesis is proposed by Saren- he's kinda bad and kinda indoctrinated. - have a quick look at my other post here for a different take on that bit:
http://social.biowar...0434/1#15900728

It's my opinion and interpretation and justification of why I always will pick destory. You have your's, I have mine. To each their own. 

About Saren and synthesis, it's the exact same thing almost word for word what Saren say's to shep on the citadel in ME1 before the final fight with Saren and what the catalyst say's to shep in ME3 when talking about synthesis. 

Side point- control and synthesis endings sheps eyes turn to TIM and saren eyes and shep becomes husk like. But in destroy shep keeps shep's eyes intact. 







Fair do's, although I would like to keep IT out of this for now, that;s for another day

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Bruenin wrote...

cyrslash1974 wrote...

Destroy

Why did you pick it? Because reapers have to be destroyed, the logic of the catalyst is wrong, dangerous, stupid (imo), he's a war criminal, and I am very sad that synthetics are collateral victims. Obviously, considering that Shepard could survive is a plus. But I think that all solutions proposed are bad.

How did you see it working out past the slides? Speculation only, and imagination. Shep will do the necessary to be sure that organics won't repeat the same mistake... or won't create a new catalyst.

What happened within the game that influenced your choice? All the events within ME1, 2 and 3 (Eden Prime, Sovereign, how the human reaper has been built, zombis and other horrors which were before organic life, sacrifice of my team... If I dont destroy reapers, Kaidan, Thane, Mordin and co would be dead for nothing)

Why didn't you go for the other endings? The other endings play the game of the catalyst (except reject) and don't have any sense if I consider the 3 games. But the ending I want to go should be the destruction of the reapers without destroying synthetic life. The catalyst has the power to do that and my Shepard could challenge the catalyst considering the peace geth-quarians. But he can't. So when I pick a solution, whatever, I accept the fact that the player -me- is not Shepard : the game is not a RPG anymore.


Pick control and then fly the reaper forces into a sun. They're destroyed, Shepard can get a robo body and be immortal and the Geth and EDI are perfectly fine now :D


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Synthsis:
Why did you pick it?
1. I liked the idea of Joker/EDI babies
2. Feels to me like the middle way, the compromise solution, the negotiated settlement

How did you see it working out past the slides?
Headcannon wise, Shepards essence and understanding gets distributed thoughout every living being
in the galaxy maybe Liara(LI) could be able to commune with Shep like Kasumi could Kenji

What happened within the game that influenced your choice?
I was never really anti AI, EDI's evolution and the Geth quarian peace to me showed organics and synthetics are more alike then they are different

Why didn't you go for the other endings?
[Destroy] Thought too much death already didn't want to sacrafice the Geth and TBH
I only conversed with like 3 Reapers there could be a Reaper homeworld full of nice Reapers that I'd be condemming to Death too
[Control] Didn't think anyone person should have the power of control and Freewill is important to me didn't really want to remove it.

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I refused.

Why did you pick it?

Because my Shepard is a soldier who never discriminated other races. When catalyst showed up and offered choices where I HAVE to choose a sacrifical lamb to end the war, he told him that he will fight on his own terms with allies he gathered and who trust him enough to know that he won't sacrifice them.

Also...I just have met the collective intelligence that controlls the reapers. The same intelligence that: Indoctrinated, Killed and Harvested other races for god only knows how long and you just want me to blindly choose A, B, C without any proof that he is not lying? Being Shepard that's just like tossing a coin to see if he is telling the truth or not and soldiers don't do that. Also, the star-kid could just control the reapers into sun, or erase them if they were to get destroyed anyway...and WHY didn't he do that? One can only wonder...

How did you see it working out past the slides?

Actually... I would like refuse to be a "you win but with HEAVY looses" maybe some of your ME squadies die in this ending, maybe Shepard after this war exits his career due to mental problems from indoctrination? a lot of possibilities for not rainbow and unicorn happy ending but something much more...

But we got what we got, everyone died, next cycle won (God only knows how they did it without Shepard?!)

What happened within the game that influenced your choice?

Trust. All of the allies trust my Shepard. All of the hopes ride on him...and you want me to betray it by sacrificing some of them, betraying my LI or changing them without their approval? Not happening. We fight or we die. No other ending.

Why didn't you go for the other endings?

Control - My Shepard opposed it for...2 games? And now he has a change of heart? Not happening, since it would ruin my Roleplaying as Shepard. Also my Shepard told Illusive man "What if you can't control the reapers?" He doesn't believe any man could do it.

Synthesis - Not happening. I won't change every being in the universe (with space magic) because the catalyst doesn't like synthetics and is arrogant enough to make them kill organics and then claim that synthetics always kill them... The catalyst was the one who started this cycle in that way, by making geth kill organics...Also my Shepard ended Geth-Quarian conflict. Synthesis is NOT necessary to get some better understanding.

Destroy - No. Everyone hopes ride on my Shepard. Geth and EDI also. He won't betray their trust.

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Control or Synthesis, never destroy. I went through the effort of helping the Geth and Quarians reconcile, be damned if I was about to scrub all that hard work away. I'm not a Renegade, I don't hate myself that much.

If it were me, I'd have vaporized the Citadel. Eliminate the Reapers command and control hub, give them their free will back.

Yeah the point of the endings was to kill Shepard so they could move forward without having to worry about all the extraneous crap. Activating a self destruct or overloading the Citadel's power systems to achieve the same effect would result in Shep's death. Only difference is it would have been a Heroic Blue Screen of Death, not conned in to committing suicide.

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So far, I've picked the paragon Control ending for most of my Shepards. Shepard has full control over the Reapers and no more people will die.

I quite enjoy the other endings too though. They all have their pros and cons. Except for Refuse. That one is just stupid.

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Well, I've always picked destroy.

Why: I want the reapers gone, plain and simple. In every other ending, they are still around to "guide" the galaxy down their pre-determined path, and frankly, I don't trust control to stop the harvest forever, and I believe synthesis is horribly immoral, more so than genocide. With the reapers gone, the galaxy is free to develope along its own path, free and with no input from the reapers, for better or worse, they will own their own destiny.

Past the EC slides, things certainly aren't all gumdrops and rainbows, lots of people starve while the relays are rebuilt, and people are trying to rebuild after the horrible reaper war. However, a more unified galaxy emerges, and with freedom from the reapers, technology develops in new and unforeseen ways, for the good of all of us (except the ones who are dead).

What happened in the game? Well, I simply though control was not a viable option. TIM tried and failed, and there was no precedent for controlling them on such a massive scale, and I just don't trust anyone with that sort of power. As for synthesis, nothing in the game happened in the game to influence me, and that was the problem. In the vaguest terms, what we got in synthesis was a benign form of huskification, and again, I do not trust a galaxy where the reapers live, especially one in which everyone is forcibly implanted with reaper tech.

Why didn't I go for the other endings? See above.

Modifié par justafan, 15 février 2013 - 12:42 .


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Jadebaby wrote...

Obitim wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

because all the endings suck, so people try to put down others to boost their own.

"mehem is the best, chuck out the rest."


Cheers Jade, but I did ask to avoid the bad writing bit...


When did I say anything about bad writing?


You said all the endings sucked...If not bad writing then why do they?

But yeah, I did assume I suppose

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[quote]Bruenin wrote...

[quote]cyrslash1974 wrote...



Pick control and then fly the reaper forces into a sun. They're destroyed, Shepard can get a robo body and be immortal and the Geth and EDI are perfectly fine now :D

[/quote]

Very, very interesting take on Control...

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Chosen ending(s): Originally: Destroy.  Since EC: Refusal, though I had a try of Destroy first to see the EC.

Why did you pick it?
Originally, because destroying the Reapers was the plan.  Since EC: Coz I like getting a little choked up with Liara's final message to the future.

How did you see it working out past the slides?
For destroy, seemed fair enough to me.  The galaxy continues, though the machine/organics problem still exists.

What happened within the game that influenced your choice?
For destroy, as I said above, that was the plan since ME1.  For refusal, while I like seeing the Liara scene, do I really want the Reapers to continue deciding the fate of our galaxy?  'We've decided to give you choice, but it's still our choice'.  Meh, screw you Reapers!

Why didn't you go for the other endings?
I wasn't happy with my Shep becoming an AI in control.  I wasn't happy with making the whole galaxy a homogenous soulless soup of organic AIs.

Since writing FF, my views have changed a bit due to exploring the possibilities.  None of the choices remove the problem stated by star kid: the AI/organics problem.  Whether you believe that reason is up to you of course.  Without the Reapers, organic life may have become extinct a long time ago.  The Reapers are part of our universe whether we like it or not.  Who are we to make an advanced life form extinct?  We would have learned nothing from the rachni/krogan/geth resolutions if we just try to go and do the same again.  "Who knows what place the krogan may yet hold in the galaxy?" as a wise salarian once said.  Are the Reapers really so different?

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[quote]Obitim wrote...

[quote]Bruenin wrote...

[quote]cyrslash1974 wrote...



Pick control and then fly the reaper forces into a sun. They're destroyed, Shepard can get a robo body and be immortal and the Geth and EDI are perfectly fine now :D

[/quote]

Very, very interesting take on Control...

[/quote]

Would be perfect...if your Shepard didn't romance Tali and promised to build her home on Rannoch... oh wait...he can still do it by using Harbringer :devil:

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Obitim wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

Obitim wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

because all the endings suck, so people try to put down others to boost their own.

"mehem is the best, chuck out the rest."


Cheers Jade, but I did ask to avoid the bad writing bit...


When did I say anything about bad writing?


You said all the endings sucked...If not bad writing then why do they?

But yeah, I did assume I suppose


Bad writing and limited time.

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You guys do realize that the entity in Control's ending isn't Shepard but an AI or VI created by the Catalyst right?

It might even be the Catalyst with a Shepard personality overlay.

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Obitim

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Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Obitim wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

Obitim wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

because all the endings suck, so people try to put down others to boost their own.

"mehem is the best, chuck out the rest."


Cheers Jade, but I did ask to avoid the bad writing bit...


When did I say anything about bad writing?


You said all the endings sucked...If not bad writing then why do they?

But yeah, I did assume I suppose


Bad writing and limited time.


I did ask to avoid the bad writing line...let's be honest that's been done to death

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I choose destroy.

Because for me it's just what my Shepard would do, he's watched the Illusive Man become indoctrinated and basically tore down his whole organisation single-handed so he's not going to become him at the last minute, synthesis is playing god which my Shepard would not do, changing everyone everywhere against their will...and then there's the whole dying factor - in my Shepard's eyes the only thing worth risking his life would be sending the Reapers to hell.
After the slides, Shepard survives (another reason I chose destroy) and he'll get to be reunited with Kaidan (yeah, I'm a sap and I need a happy ending here) then there's a lot of consequences from the Reaper War to deal with first. Rachni relocation, the genophage cure being sabotaged etc and then pretty much life will return to pre-Reaper normal but with stronger sense of unity.
The whole game really influenced my choice, how much Shepard's been through trying to dstroy the Reapers, he just wouldn't stop at the final hurdle and obviously my investment in the trilogy-long romance plays a part.

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Because of what the cataylst is non of the endings feel like they are realy part of the ME trilogy (apart from the leviathan dlc).
ME has you concentrated on Shepard's story.
The ending is more the catalyst/Reaper story.
That's my main problem with the ending.
Not control or synthesis is the main problem, hell even destroy and refuse feels like Shepard doesn't have a say to the end of his own trilogy.

I love Shepard's story that's why i play and replay mass effect.
Future ME games can be about whatever (who) they want.
But this trilogy is Shepard's trilogy and the Reapers are just a part of it... the Ending just ignored that.

Because of the breath scene i choose destroy,sometimes control because you hear Shepard's voice.
But it doesn't realy matter does it? Cause Shepard story ended when the Catalyst showed up.

Modifié par FOX216BC, 15 février 2013 - 01:30 .


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FOX216BC wrote...

Because of what the cataylst is non of the endings feel like they are realy part of the ME trilogy (apart from the leviathan dlc).
ME has you concentrated on Shepard's story.
The ending is more the catalyst/Reaper story.
That's my main problem with the ending.
Not control or synthesis is the main problem, hell even destroy and refuse feels like Shepard doesn't have a say to the end of his trilogie.

I love Shepard's story that's why i play and replay mass effect.
Future ME games can be about whatever (who) they want.
But this trilogy is Shepard's trilogy and the Reapers are just a part of it... the Ending just ignored that.


I disagree, I don't feel like the Catalyst is stealing the ending at all. This point is Shepard getting answers he's been searching for over the trilogy and then it's about Shepard saving the galaxy and his legacy and then survival depending on your choice. It feels all about Shepard to me.

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Ugh. Not this thread again.

Guys, guys, guys.

There are hundreds of threads like this one!!!!

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nrobbiec wrote...

FOX216BC wrote...

Because of what the cataylst is non of the endings feel like they are realy part of the ME trilogy (apart from the leviathan dlc).
ME has you concentrated on Shepard's story.
The ending is more the catalyst/Reaper story.
That's my main problem with the ending.
Not control or synthesis is the main problem, hell even destroy and refuse feels like Shepard doesn't have a say to the end of his trilogie.

I love Shepard's story that's why i play and replay mass effect.
Future ME games can be about whatever (who) they want.
But this trilogy is Shepard's trilogy and the Reapers are just a part of it... the Ending just ignored that.


I disagree, I don't feel like the Catalyst is stealing the ending at all. This point is Shepard getting answers he's been searching for over the trilogy and then it's about Shepard saving the galaxy and his legacy and then survival depending on your choice. It feels all about Shepard to me.

Well that's your opinion and i respect that.
I'm just saying going from character focused to purely " see the bigger picture here" in the last minutes doesn't work for me.

Modifié par FOX216BC, 15 février 2013 - 01:36 .


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Why did you pick it?
Control

How did you see it working out past the slides?
Helping out with repairs, then sending the whole reapers fleet into the black hole, leaving the "young-ones" to decide their future.

What happened within the game that influenced your choice?
Geth/Quarian piece, EDI, last 10 minutes and star brat's logic ( yes I can get it -> no I don't wan't what IT chose for me )  would have picked Destroy otherwise ( won't even mention the breath scene ...trolol :D )

Why didn't you go for the other endings?
As said above - Geth/quarian piece, EDI, partially because little star brat said, that choosing destroy would not change anything in the long term ( tho he also said that parameters changed blabla ). Syntesis - no thx, can't and won't choose for others.

Modifié par Necrotya, 15 février 2013 - 01:38 .


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Abraham_uk wrote...

Ugh. Not this thread again.

Guys, guys, guys.

There are hundreds of threads like this one!!!!


Yeah, I know, initially it was aiming at the fact that there are people on here who look down on others for their choice of ending and trying to remedy that but I thought it needed a bit more than that, and this was with an aim of not putting my personal choice across and seeing other stuff, such as the idea of control and then sending all the reapers in to the sun.

Without the issues of people using pretty offensive phrases for the endings they don't like

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Awesome and emotional. The Catalyst is the sh*t!

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Archonsg wrote...

You guys do realize that the entity in Control's ending isn't Shepard but an AI or VI created by the Catalyst right?

It might even be the Catalyst with a Shepard personality overlay.


My interpretation is if someone copied my memories, thoughts, morals etc.. he has effectively created another "me". Further discussions on whether that "thing" is me or not are just talking about symantics. I believe who I am isn't determined by what I'm made of but what I think of. That's my personal interpretation and the one I go by, ofcourse, others will have different ones. As far as I'm concerned, that "thing" whether AI, VI or whatever, is the closest possible thing to the human Shepard.

And about being created "by" catalyst, there's nothing that suggested the Shep-AI was created "by" the catalyst. I don't think he can create anything when he's being overwritten.

Modifié par pirate1802, 15 février 2013 - 01:52 .