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Obitim wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Obitim wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

Obitim wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

because all the endings suck, so people try to put down others to boost their own.

"mehem is the best, chuck out the rest."


Cheers Jade, but I did ask to avoid the bad writing bit...


When did I say anything about bad writing?


You said all the endings sucked...If not bad writing then why do they?

But yeah, I did assume I suppose


Bad writing and limited time.


I did ask to avoid the bad writing line...let's be honest that's been done to death


No but you're asking people what their take on the endings is, but don't say anything bad about them. It doesn't matter if it's been done to death, if it is what it is. I'm sure calling Earth round has been done to death too. 

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I chose destroy

Why did you pick it? The galaxy doesn't need an armada of deadly babysitters. I felt that the Reapers were detrimental to any sort of progress we may have made, since they just left their tech lying around, forcing us into their way of advancing and leaving the ability to create said AIs probably much faster than without their tech.  In addition to that, I don't believe in this hypothetical problem that it's trying to solve. Some see potential in the Reapers, I say the people that were forced into Reapers died a long time ago, there's nothing left. Plus I don't like this kid trying to force order on to chaos, clearly it hasn't worked. I wish that the Geth and EDI weren't a contrived consequence or a sacrifice of destroy, but the Reapers had to go.

How did you see it working out past the slides? to repost something I made in another topic: I picture pirates/Terminus system folk going nuts over the chaos, and
the what's left of the Alliance and other race's forces trying to stop
them.  Trying to get the governments put back together, Shepard
recovering, races trying to get back home, etc etc.  That's exciting
stuff to me right there.

What happened within the game that influenced your choice? Seeing what the Reapers did to people's lives

Why didn't you go for the other endings? Simply put, I don't trust my Shepard's with that much power nor do I believe that she should have the choice to change ALL life in the galaxy.

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Ieldra2 wrote...

Why did you pick it?

I picked Synthesis because it creates the most exotic and interesting future for the galaxy, because the idea of a hyper-advanced transapient civilization is irresistibly appealing to me and, on a thematic level, because I believe embracing the unknown instead of rejecting it is the only way into the future.



I echo these sentiments. :happy:

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Ive tought about this for a long time and I think for me personally the best ending and the one my paragon femshep that i finished playing with about 2 months ago chose, is destroy. Even if it destroyes the geth and EDI as tragic as that is. "were not ready" like Shepard says for the other ones.

It frees us, it gives us the choice to determine our own future. If we make new synthetics that awaken into sapience, maybe the quarian/geth thing tought something important to us, that we can co-exist with our creations. Theres no benevolent galactic overseer with its reaper police, theres no magic wand inducing utopia. If we want peace we will have to work towards it ourselves, it isnt just given with like what synthesis does. Thats the problem with the other endings, aside than forcing the change on the entire galaxy with either the green beam of wonder or the reaper peacekeepers.

And in the end I tough even after all the explaining why they do the things they do, that the Catalyst is just a cold machine that doesnt understand organic feelings and emotions and only follows the directive given to it "to preserve life at any cost", the reapers were still abominations, made from living beings mashed together. They should have never existed at all. So I got rid of them, sent them to oblivion along with the Catalyst. 

Modifié par Armass81, 16 février 2013 - 12:17 .


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I choose destroy.

Why did you pick it?
Simple: I do not trust the catalyst. As an AI, he is capable of lying and trickery. Since the other two options left the possibility of him or any of his "servants" surviving, and the destroy choice was IMO displayed as the least intelligent/reasonable decision. It seemed to me, despite his apparent indifference, it was the one he didn't want me to choose: "You're free to pick any card you like. But I wouldn't take this one."

How did you see it working out past the slides?
Not at all, frankly. Following my above "logic", I had no reason to believe it would do what it was supposed to do. It was a gamble, but then again Shepard gambled a lot in the course of the trilogy. If it turned out true, that's great, if it did not... no one left to be grieving.

What happened within the game that influenced your choice?

The many examples of reaper infiltration and subtle manipulation with or without mind-control made it no big surprise that the final obstacle wasn't fighting a big robot.
Control was beyond all question. That is no solution, that's procrastination. A force like this can never be controlled forever. Power corrupts everyone eventually.
Also, I can't bring myself to value synthetic constructs as much as organic life. If there had been any other choice, I would have done everything to save the geth and other synthetics - but with the choices provided, it was necessary in my opinion. It was sad, but in the way you mourn over a lost trinket which has been of great ideal value to you. That's my dispostion towards synthetics - and it was interesting to discover that about myself, by the way.

Why didn't you go for the other endings?

I guess I already covered this one.

Modifié par Baelrahn, 15 février 2013 - 08:12 .


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My take on the Endings?

Well i just noticed that my monitor display well 3 basic colors.....

Modifié par Laforgus, 15 février 2013 - 08:33 .


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Obitim wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

Obitim wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...
because all the endings suck, so people try to put down others to boost their own.

"mehem is the best, chuck out the rest."

Cheers Jade, but I did ask to avoid the bad writing bit...

When did I say anything about bad writing?

You said all the endings sucked...If not bad writing then why do they?

But yeah, I did assume I suppose


Because they lost all suspension of disbelief and by extention, narrative coherence.

Why *that* is, well.. You tell me.

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You're very optimistic, OP... but I hope this works out, nonetheless.

Why did you pick it?

I logically weighed up the options available to me versus my ethics. The first thing that came to mind was that no one else needed to die in this story; to force death on anyone else would be no different than what was believed to be so evil about the reapers. To me, ending life when you have the choice not to makes you far, far worse than the reapers.

Each reaper represents a nation built up of harvested species. The geth don't deserve to die, nor does EDI. I wouldn't make that call. That's genocide. That's like asking me if I could infect all life on earth with a deadly plague 'for the greater good.' I couldn't. I wouldn't. There would have to be another way. I wouldn't become that monster. I refuse to become that monster.

So that left me with Control and Synthesis.

Control is a very interesting option, but I worry that it would result in quasi-fascism. That bothers me. I could see Shepard going insane with power. Yes, this is headcanon on my part, but it is entirely possible, since he's only human. He might not, but having that hanging over my head as something that might happen... well, that just brings us right back to square one.

So, Synthesis, then. It all comes down to deductive reasoning. Destroy would turn me into a genocidal monster, I wouldn't be able to live with myself. Control might result in further craziness. So I needed to look at Synthesis to see what it brought to the table, to see if there was an option for me, to see if there was an option which would be compatible with my sense of ethics.

So what does Synthesis do? The first thing it seems to do is bring synthetic capabilities to organics. This means that organics can now upgrade themselves, but it also means that organics have access to a consensus where thoughts and feelings could be shared. That could lead to fun things like being able to backup one's brain, or being able to leave one's body behind all together. That raises fun questions like: What would it be like to be a spaceship? EDI and the geth know the answer to this, but we don't, so as organics we're jealous of them.

The Catalyst said that Synthesis was, in part, there to mitigate that jealousy by providing to organics what synthetics took for granted, so you can see that as the end result. Are you ill? Backup your brain, clone a new body, and problem solved! Do you want a different body? Build one, dump your brain into it, done! Do you want to teleport halfway across the galaxy? Upload your brain, convert the old body to resources, clone on arrival, dump the mind into the clone and done!

This would solve so many problems. This would allow humanity to transcend the human condition. We would no longer be prey to things like sickness or the limitations of our own bodies, we would become something else, something new, something better. As a transhumanist, I believe the purpose of humanity is to try to strive to create a better tomorrow, one where we can leave nature behind and forge our own path. Synthesis would allow us to do this, and it would take away a lot of today's suffering.

Synthesis would help all those people who're paralysed, or in comas, or deathly ill.

On the synthetic side, it would upgrade them so that they could understand our feelings and perceptions, it would essentially allow them to have and process empathy and sympathy, so that they could relate to us. So the organic thoughts entering the consensus wouldn't be seen as a disorganised cancer by the synthetics, they'd be able to perceive why we are as we are and accept us for that.

Most importantly, though? Synthesis is optional. That's canonical, the game mentions it.

So, at the end of it, I just had to ask whether Synthesis was compatible with my sense of ethics. I get to end suffering, upgrade the human condition, create a lasting empathy between all species (organic and synthetic), and more. So my answer was hell yes it is, it's very compatible.

As a person of ethical inclinations, Synthesis was the only choice I could make in good conscience. I, and my characters, are not mindless butchers or genocidal madmen. Synthesis was the only ending I could choose.

How did you see it working out past the slides?

I've pretty much explained this above, but yeah. I see galactic empathy, I see people being able to relate to others more. If two people are having a problem, they can share their thoughts and feelings in the purest of forms. It would change everything, a part of how it's possible to be so unconscionably cruel is that you don't have to feel the suffering of others. Synthesis would introduce people to that, they'd be able to feel how others do in regards to their actions.

Plus, I'd get to be part of a consensus as a living spaceship. And that's bloody awesome. I mean, could you imagine how it would be to be a living organism in space? Not in a ship, but as a ship. And there are all those other boons I mentioned, such as putting an end to illness, allowing people to choose the bodies they want, instant teleportation and so on.

I see a better council, and I see it taking cues from both the organics and synthetics. I see a new kind of politics being borne which is similar to that of the geth, where every sapient entity gets to vote on every agenda. And everyone can share the thoughts and feelings of those who're campaigning for any kind of change. It would eradicate xenophobia, by and large, and it would bring the galaxy together with a greater sense of oneness and understanding.

It's the Singularity, really. So I suspect that currency as we know it will be done away with, and currency based upon one's effort value and imagination will be instilled instead. Basically, ideas and the execution thereof will have effort values attached, and those will become the new currency. And that'll be a transitional system to even better and more egalitarian systems.

It's not all roses, though. Those who opted out of Synthesis will become ever more militant, and I'm certain that the reapers will show their faces again.

What happened within the game that influenced your choice?

My envy of the geth was a large part of it. When the Catalyst spoke of synthetic envy, I could completely understand that position. Plus, there was a lot of suffering presented within the game that could be solved by something like Synthesis. One of the most important elements though was that I felt that too many people had died already in this macabre story, and I wanted to create a scenario where no one else would have to die. I can be an idealist when I want to be.

Seeing how much effort it took to get the quarians and the geth to understand each other... well, that was the nail in the coffin, really. It proved that something like Synthesis was needed.

Why didn't you go for the other endings?

Ethics. I couldn't, in good conscience, choose endings that would result in so much death. Destroy would paint me as a genocidal, uncaring beast. A monster. Not even human at all. And Control just left me iffy as to whether a human could handle that much power. My sense of ethics dictated my choice.

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I pick refuse.

Why did you pick it?

Well the Damn A.I is crazy I would easily pick destroy if I had knowledge of it working from a more trust worthy source. I didn't save the Geth just to throw them under the bus just because it was convenient. I would do it as a pragmatic renegade Shepard but I played Idealistic Paragon Shepard if he's going to sacrifice someone he'll send some one that volunteers to be sacrificed like Ashley and Kaidan. My Shepard tried to warned the Batarians but it was too late. As much as I hate the Crucible I didn't pick refuse to reject using the Crucible entirely This thing has been build by thousand different species surely their are other options to explore. If not I bet there is got to be other unconventional ways to take these demons out. This is the first time in history we had a united galaxy with the relays working. We are bound to come up with other alternatives to take out the Reapers.

How did you see it working out past the slides?

What slides? All I got was an over glorify game over scene.

What happened within the game that influenced your choice? I didn't save the Geth just to throw them under the bus in destroy, control them, or even share the same DNA since we always want to evolve in our own unique way and besides. And I will not share the same DNA with a filthy Vorcha... and If I ever due I am indoctrinated and for the love of god kill me.

Why didn't you go for the other endings?

For all three original endings. The catalyst entire premise for its action is based on this:
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He also provides no concrete evidence that any of his options would actually work and 2 of them guarantees Shepard death. Really I am going to sacrifice myself just because the Galaxy's synthetic hitler said it was possible? it does not make sense for any Shepard with a brain say okay and jumps into a beam.

I have knowledge from Javik's about the Protheans wiping the floor with the Zha'til. but I cannot use that as evidence against the catalyst for some reason... I broker peace with the Quarians and Geth who have been in conflict for over 300 years. The Geth are even helping the Quarians immune system so they can return to Rannoch faster. If that doesn't show the Geth goodwill to the Quarians I don't know what will. Sure peace won't last for ever. But nothing last forever. Organics fought way more often with other Organics.

Destroy: Well I already explained my dislike for destroy, but I can easily see a pragmatic renegade Shepard or even a very reluctant pained paragon Shepard do it. But its not my Shepard. It's just have that one thing is to believing the catalyst.

Synthesis: There is nothing ethical about this decision the galaxy is essentially becoming the Borg Collective with the Catalyst the Borg Queen. You forced it on the galaxy. Javik should already be dead... but apparently he is happy with the choice it should send alarm bells. Also there was nothing in the game to hint this as a possibility so Shepard should easily call bull@#$% when he sees it. It turns the game to fantasy and with this ending the only conflict I forsee is the assimilation of other galaxies organics which is bound to happen.

Control: Shepard is stepping in Picard shoes. Say hello to Locutus the Reaper. You spent the entire game saying the Reapers can not be control and if you're a Shepard that got TIM to shoot himself, how can you believe this is possible? Much less by the entity that is the sole responsible for controlling everyone that advocated control The Crucible was sabotage by indoctrinated agents that wanted control. Again you have to kill your self to control it. The Reapers are the real master of control Not you. The Catalyst is pulling your leg.

Modifié par Galbrant, 15 février 2013 - 10:08 .


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I chose Marauder Shields.

Why did you pick it? 
Because it was a narrative that made sense given what information we'd been given in the games. Unlike Bioware's 3 endings, it never abandoned the themes, emotions, and lore that we'd immersed ourselves in for three games. Bioware presented choices that weren't choices, because I see them all as equally monstrous. Koobismo, however, gave me a way out, gave me a way to continue fighting for what I believed in, gave my trilogy's choices meaning, gave meaning to events that made no sense ingame. He is also a darn good character writer and artist!

How did you see it working out past the slides?
Slides were a Harbinger-induced hallucination, so they don't count in this choice. However, I see a good chance of Shepard still being alive at the end of the comic, the races of the galaxy battered (and likely facing new paths and futures) but alive, and I'll have to bid at least a few of my companions farewell. I fear for Jack in particular. But there will BE a future, and the peoples who just stood shoulder-to-shoulder in the face of extinction are going to have a very different, and hopefully broadened, outlook of one another. Nihlus himself will be dead. I don't see any way for his echo to survive the storm that both destroyed and created him.

What happened within the game that influenced your choice?
The ending as presented made no sense to me. I had already independently come to the conclusion that the most likely answer for the discrepancies was indoctrination, and I had also been suspecting that the Crucible was a trap (queue Admiral Ackbar) since its presentation on Mars. Koobismo presented a narrative that fit the evidence. And finally and most DEFINITELY not least: I read Nihlus' lines in the first comic, #6, and got chills. It fit so perfectly, both from a character point of view and from a narrative.

Why didn't you go for the other endings?
drayfish summed this up far better than I ever could. I realize that not everyone feels this way, but this is EXACTLY what I think of the three Bioware choices.

What deep philosophical debate was inspired by this insipid endpoint for you? What did you learn about yourself, or humanity at large? That you can excuse genocide on peaceful allies if you really, really have to? That it's okay to stop everyone else from becoming an unstoppable galactic overlord if you can just become one yourself? That in the name of peace you are willing to violate every living creature's most basic freedom and autonomy because you know better how they should live their life, or what the definition of 'life' actually is?

For some players, everything that those final ten minutes espouse as 'sacrifice' are atrocities, literal war crimes (that Shepard has repeatedly sought to prevent), now being inflicted upon the universe, against everyone's will, in the name of intolerance.

For some, the Catalyst represents everything that is hateful and racist in the universe, everything that fears the other because it is different and scary and bad, everything that tries to force life to live in the way it prescribes because it has no capacity for hope. And in the final moments of the game, after spending those hundreds of hours of gameplay you mentioned trying to undo such horrors - learning that life can in fact be measured beyond restrictive delineations like 'human' and 'machine'; that different races can work together to overcome great obstacles and except each other as equals - the game explicitly tells you to throw all that nonsense out, because such juvenile crap is not worth fighting for in the end.

Nope - in the final moments Shepard is compelled to embrace the Catalyst's intolerant ignorance ('Synthetics with always kill organics'), to tremble with a gun to his/her head, and agree to inflict the greatest atrocity of all time upon his/her own allies. In order to defeat the Reaper, you must become one yourself: you must decide how the universe should be, what kind of life is worth saving, and judge all of existence to fit your definition.  It is a hopeless, empty, cowardly end to a narrative that had previously been about inclusivity and belief in others.

...And strangely, all of this was completely unnecessary anyway. The ending that you are praising is a giant fantastical space-magic 'I win' button. But presumably because this premise was so naff Bioware could have written literally any scenario that they wanted - instead, what they chose was a love note to eugenics, and an affirmation of absolute moral relativism.

None of that was the story, nor the underlying message, that some players (myself very much included) had embraced for the preceding two and a half games. To them, the ending was an arbitrary poisoned chalice designed to ape pathos while actually being cheap manipulative gush - a mishandled stab at gravitas that actually hollowed out and undermined the entire journey the narrative had been propagating the entire time.



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I picked Destroy.

Why did you pick it? It was what my Shepard set out to do.

How did you see it working out past the slides? I don't see the point of the Normandy crash landing and I find it hard to believe that they would fix the relays so quickly.

What happened within the game that influenced your choice? Again, it's what my Shepard set out to do. There was no other option for me. It was them or us.

Why didn't you go for the other endings?
Control - It's what TIM wanted and my Shepard was anti-Cerberus all the way. And I didn't want to take the risk that it would backfire and preserve the Reapers.

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I don't have a take on the endings and what i saw is what i got which is a scene of my character taking a breath and then the credits.

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Obitim wrote...

Why did you pick it? 
How did you see it working out past the slides?
What happened within the game that influenced your choice?
Why didn't you go for the other endings?

I picked destroy

Why? I want to make my own future without the threat of reapers

After the slides, each species comes to a common goal of working together to make the galaxy a safe place to live in no matter where.

What influenced my choice is the reapers just slaughtering everything in sight with no remorse. So I thought I would return the favor by destroying them.

No to control--because the reapers are still around and evryone looking over their shoulder wondering if/when the reaper will fire its laser.

No to synthesis--I don't want to be a glow-in-the-dark-stick. Reapers are still around.

No to refuse--femshep talks big then stands there with her thumb up her a** doing nothing. Cycle continues. Next cycle gets  rid of the reapers.

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I picked Destroy for a few reasons.
-First and foremost I reject the Catalyst's ideas on the nature of organic/synthetic conflict
-I want the galaxy to make its own path, free from Reaper interventions
(Meta-reason). I wanted Shepard to live

I'm still working on my post ending fiction....

What influenced my choice?
-The Catalyst's bs. I could look back at the games and say "I disproved you here, here, and over here"
-The Reapers' actions and goals

Other choices
-Im ambivalent to Control, I sometimes pick it with particularly renegade/pro-Cerberus Shepards (a variant of my canon also picks it)
-Refuse is just moral stupid to me.
-Synthesis, just no. From its illogical presentation and execution, to its horrible implications I just do not like it.

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@ Auld Wolf, are you still spouting that "Synthesis is optional garbage?"

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They suck.

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Obitim wrote...

What I'd like to do here is open up the discussion for each ending:
Why did you pick it? 
How did you see it working out past the slides?
What happened within the game that influenced your choice?
Why didn't you go for the other endings?


For context, my character is a female, Colonist, Paragade to Renegon Engineer.  I will answer in order.

My Shepard picked Control because she believed in TIMs goal of using the Reapers to advance the races of the galaxy.  It would stop the Reapers, give an oppotunity to stop the Leviathans, and give the galaxy a chance to study and learn from the Reapers.  Why waste that opportunity.

Shepalyst spreads tech and unlocks the secretes of the citadel, galaxy advances, but grows more uneasy over their Reaper overlords.  War breaks out as Shep loses all her humanity, but the galaxy with their new knowledge and tech win after a long bloody war that cost nearly as much life as the first Reaper war.

She believed in some of TIM's goals.  She killed the Geth out of necessity.  She does believe that for the most part, there will always be conflict between synthetics and organics, but that not all will end up like this.  The Geth were simply an example of it happening at quite the extreme.  She embraces being a cyborg, even if she is unsure of how much of 'her' is really her.  I'm actually amazed this was not expanded upon.

She saw Destroy as a waste, and Synthesis way too abrupt and invasive (I personally don't like how it was handled).

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Obitim wrote...
What I'd like to do here is open up the discussion for each ending:
Why did you pick it? 
How did you see it working out past the slides?
What happened within the game that influenced your choice?
Why didn't you go for the other endings?

Please keep the discussion civil and reasoned, let's keep the bad writing stuff out of here and also please don't attempt to belittle others who did not agree with you, whether overtly or in a passive agressive manner.

Cheers!


I picked MEHEM

Because all the other endings struck me as bitter, arbitrarilly tragic, and had truly unsettling implications that make me feel like a villain worse than Saren if I chose them.  This is my opipnion and I'm standing by it.

I see things working out much like Destroy does:  The galaxy will spend decades, or even centuries rebuilding.  This will lead to shifts in borders, political and military landscapes, new alliances, new grudges or old one resurfacing.  The galaxy will be in a great deal of flux, the likes of which have not been seen in a thousand years.  For my Shepard personally, I see him retiring and perhaps becoming a diplomat.

What influenced my choice?  Simple, the Catalyst and RGB. Lilke I said, I despise all three standard endings.  The Catalyst's logic can best be described as "Insane Troll"  I have no intention of having the Shepards I played for five years committing suicide or dooming the geth to extinction based on a glowing child's say-so. I came to get the job done and go home.

Why didn't I go for the other endings?  See above.

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Control - I find this one simply funny as hell, basically turning my Shep into a Galactic Robocop, or something like that. But only when absolutely necessary, and let the people of the galaxy do their thing even if they are warring each other from time to time. Perhaps like a watchful parent or such: Let your kids get hurt and do stupid things, and only intervene when the entire galaxy is about to go to hell.

Destroy - When Shep is feeling very angry at the reapers and just want them all gone for good.

Refuse - When Shep is totally crazy mad and pissed off about everything and everyone, and this becomes her last desperate attempt: aka  "The Reset Button". Mind you this Shep is really really crazy, and doesn't really care about anything, or beating the reapers like the Destroy Shep does. It's more like Sheps personal protest against playing along with the Catalyst.

Synthesis - Love it, my favourite for one simple reason: This is really the true future of all organic life.
But you have to ignore all the space magic mumbo jumbo that happens with ME3's instant synthesis.
What I'm talking about is how any civilization that survives long enough into the future will eventually enhance itself through technology over a very long timeline. A very long time.
This will happen because a biological body is too limited, and very fragile, and we always want to improve ourselves and our lives in any way we can. And then eventually we will become cyborgs: organic and synthetic combined.

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Steelcan wrote...

@ Auld Wolf, are you still spouting that "Synthesis is optional garbage?"

I think that closing quotation mark is in the wrong place. Anyway, I'm 'spouting' it because it's supported by the game in numerous dialogues. Handsome, clever, observant people would have had their unhateful ears open and actually picked up on it. Embittered ending haters? Well, you guys believe what you want to believe. You'll argue canon isn't canon to suit your needs.

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Auld Wulf wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

@ Auld Wolf, are you still spouting that "Synthesis is optional garbage?"

I think that closing quotation mark is in the wrong place. Anyway, I'm 'spouting' it because it's supported by the game in numerous dialogues. Handsome, clever, observant people would have had their unhateful ears open and actually picked up on it. Embittered ending haters? Well, you guys believe what you want to believe. You'll argue canon isn't canon to suit your needs.


So what's your explanation for Javik going green? I'd like to hear this.

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I'm sorry, maybe I'm not handsome, clever, and observant enough to understand this, but if, as the Catalyst says (and God knows we can implicitly trust the logic of a malfunctioning AI developed by short-sighted super-crawdads with god complexes), Synthesis is a thing that can't be forced, as in it would require some form of self-aware consent from every life form before it greenifies them, why did the plants get Synthesis-ized, too? Unless those crash-site leaves are uncommonly smart for leafy greens, they shouldn't have had the sense of self necessary to consent to the change.

Either way those plants prove it's gonna suck for anyone who didn't want to be part toaster. Either the clear implication of the game is correct, and everyone glows green whether they like it or not, or you're right, and they get to (briefly) live in a universe where all the food has turned into an organic-synthetic hybrid that their digestive tracts pretty definitely aren't equipped to to deal with. It's like, "Yay, we got to choose not to become cyborgs, and now there's no non-cyborg food sources and we're gonna starve to death surrounded by creepy green eyes! Utopia!"

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I'm motivated chiefly by a desire to make sure my character's story ends well. BioWare didn't seem super interested in that, but they did at least throw Destroy+ out there. If I ever played the series again I'd go with that.

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Auld Wulf wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

@ Auld Wolf, are you still spouting that "Synthesis is optional garbage?"

I think that closing quotation mark is in the wrong place. Anyway, I'm 'spouting' it because it's supported by the game in numerous dialogues. Handsome, clever, observant people would have had their unhateful ears open and actually picked up on it. Embittered ending haters? Well, you guys believe what you want to believe. You'll argue canon isn't canon to suit your needs.


You're pretty pugnacious to be so "moral".

If synthesis is optional, wouldn't it only cause a further divide? Those who had disdain for synthetics would most likely see the melded as an additional threat, perhaps even traitors. There would still be war and it would solve nothing. The whole process would be moot. A civil war on a galactic scale would be inevitable and it would be back to square one.

I am not an "embittered ending hater", so would you please give various examples of the dialogues that support the claim that synthesis is optional?

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BleedingUranium

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Why did you pick it?


Destroy. Because it's the only ending in which the Reapers die, and because it was my, and my allies' goal for 2.9 games, along with the other two choices only being supported by servants of the Reapers and the Reapers themselves.

How did you see it working out past the slides?


I believe the slides are simply Shepard's imagination and hope for what that choice will bring, and his (always good) intentions when chooing it; they are all in future tense, after all. This is also why all the choices are hopefull.

What happened within the game that influenced your choice?


See first.

Why didn't you go for the other endings?


See first.