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[KiwiQuiche]

Can I say it was ****?

EDIT: Apparently I cannot. <_<

Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 16 février 2013 - 10:58 .

[simonrana]

Obitim wrote...
Why did you pick it? 
How did you see it working out past the slides?
What happened within the game that influenced your choice?
Why didn't you go for the other endings?

- Destroy.
- Because it was the only one that destroyed the Reapers and left the galaxy in a "natural" state (and the only one that sounded realistic.
- EDIT: The hardest thing about choosing destroy is that it wipes out EDI and the Geth. But it is explained early in ME3 that the Crucible is going to be a galaxy-spanning superweapon that must be made to target the Reapers specifically. With that in mind I figure the Geth made themselves a target by uploading reaper upgrades into themselves. EDI didn't ask for her Reaper-tech (being "born" with it and all) but she's a smart gal and surely she could see this was a possible outcome of the Crucible, and she did tell Shepard she was willing to sacrifice herself. With these things in mind my conscience rests much easier with destroy. 
- Control sounded farfetched and unwise. Synthesis sounded completely farfetched and repugnant. And both left the Reapers alive, and to me ensuring the Reapers were gone forever was the most important goal.

Modifié par simonrana, 16 février 2013 - 11:50 .

[Dr_Extrem]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

@ Auld Wolf, are you still spouting that "Synthesis is optional garbage?"

I think that closing quotation mark is in the wrong place. Anyway, I'm 'spouting' it because it's supported by the game in numerous dialogues. Handsome, clever, observant people would have had their unhateful ears open and actually picked up on it. Embittered ending haters? Well, you guys believe what you want to believe. You'll argue canon isn't canon to suit your needs.

if you mean the discussion between chakwas and adams or between edi and the crew, i have to rain on your parade.

in those discussions, the topic is transhumanism in general and not synthesis. at this point, nobody knows that synthesis is even "possible". if society woiuld achieve synthesis by themselves, it would be optional - but at the end of mass effect 3, shepard makes the choice for the entire galaxy. "the crucible will not discriminate".

if you synthesise only the ones who want it,you create a paralel society - conflict would be the outcome. conflict is the "problem", the catalyst wants to solve with its options and not stimulate.

self developed synthesis = freedom to choose
catalysts synthesis = green circuis for everything

but i guess the magic energy wave gives every being the time to think about synthesis (everybody knows what the green beam does right?) and waits politely for every individual decision.


your headcanon is weapons grade.

[BleedingUranium]

The only (supposed) purpose to Synthesis is to solve the (supposed) organic/synthetic conflict. If Synthesis were optional, it could not solve it.

Not that I think Synthesis solves it anyway, as there's nothing stopping Sythepeople from creating synthetics that will kill everyone.

[Dr_Extrem]

BleedingUranium wrote...

The only (supposed) purpose to Synthesis is to solve the (supposed) organic/synthetic conflict. If Synthesis were optional, it could not solve it.

Not that I think Synthesis solves it anyway, as there's nothing stopping Sythepeople from creating synthetics that will kill everyone.

that is an entirely different problem ... none of the solutions solve the problem - they only bypass or ignore it.


its not thought out.

[BleedingUranium]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

The only (supposed) purpose to Synthesis is to solve the (supposed) organic/synthetic conflict. If Synthesis were optional, it could not solve it.

Not that I think Synthesis solves it anyway, as there's nothing stopping Sythepeople from creating synthetics that will kill everyone.

that is an entirely different problem ... none of the solutions solve the problem - they only bypass or ignore it.


its not thought out.

Right, but Synthesis claims to solve it, the others don't.

[Dr_Extrem]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

The only (supposed) purpose to Synthesis is to solve the (supposed) organic/synthetic conflict. If Synthesis were optional, it could not solve it.

Not that I think Synthesis solves it anyway, as there's nothing stopping Sythepeople from creating synthetics that will kill everyone.

that is an entirely different problem ... none of the solutions solve the problem - they only bypass or ignore it.


its not thought out.

Right, but Synthesis claims to solve it, the others don't.

and i claim to solve the problems on world hunger ... it does not make it the truth.

[Archonsg]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

The only (supposed) purpose to Synthesis is to solve the (supposed) organic/synthetic conflict. If Synthesis were optional, it could not solve it.

Not that I think Synthesis solves it anyway, as there's nothing stopping Sythepeople from creating synthetics that will kill everyone.

that is an entirely different problem ... none of the solutions solve the problem - they only bypass or ignore it.


its not thought out.

Right, but Synthesis claims to solve it, the others don't.

Always wondered if post synthesis, you manufacture a toaster is it automatically a synthorganic?

What if I gave it an AI to make the *perfect* toast, 100% of the time? Would it want to steal and eat my toasts?
Speaking of which, since plant matter now have circuitry, how does one go about toasting a synthorganic bread? Would even such a slice of bread taste the same as good old plain toast?

I  thus reject  synthesis on the basis that it fracks up my toasts.

[BleedingUranium]

Archonsg wrote...

Always wondered if post synthesis, you manufacture a toaster is it automatically a synthorganic?

What if I gave it an AI to make the *perfect* toast, 100% of the time? Would it want to steal and eat my toasts?
Speaking of which, since plant matter now have circuitry, how does one go about toasting a synthorganic bread? Would even such a slice of bread taste the same as good old plain toast?

I  thus reject  synthesis on the basis that it fracks up my toasts.

LOL so true. Does this mean that everything we eat has circuits now? Can we still microwave stuff?

[Eterna]

I picked Control.

Why did I pick it:

I believe that organic life is fundamentally flawed and that at some point we will do something stupid enough to end our own existence. I also believe our existence is a fragile construct that needs to be protected. By picking Control I create a safety net for Organic civilizations, with the Reapers watching over them organic beings need not fear another Rachni uprising or Krogan rebellion or any event that could cause them too fear for their own existence. I also believe that if something can be redeemed then it should be, that includes the Reapers.

How do I see it working out:

I think at first the denizens would be incredibly wary and fearful of the now redeemed Reapers. But over time they would come to view the Reapers as they do Keepers. They would simply be benevolent beings that do not interfere with Galatic Society unless somebody commits an action that runs the risk of endangering everybody. Essentially, they are the Janitors and Peace Keepers of the Galaxy.

What Influenced me:

The Illusive man, I feel as though he made great points, the Reapers can be used for the Galaxies benefit. I strongly disagree with his methods but I saw the potential in his idea. Also, my personal beliefs can into my choice.

Why didn't you go for the other endings:

Destroy spits in the face of redemption and Destroys a number of beings who have every right to exist as the next person. The Geth were too large of a sacrifice, to have them risk everything to fight by our side and then Destroy them is an act I find utterly cruel. Any option that kills Synthetic life and labels the antagonist as wholely bad is not an ending for me. 

Synthesis is an interesting concept and I like the theme, the way it is presented is a total turn off for me and as much as I love the theme I cannot stomach it.

Modifié par Eterna5, 16 février 2013 - 11:39 .

[Dr_Extrem]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Always wondered if post synthesis, you manufacture a toaster is it automatically a synthorganic?

What if I gave it an AI to make the *perfect* toast, 100% of the time? Would it want to steal and eat my toasts?
Speaking of which, since plant matter now have circuitry, how does one go about toasting a synthorganic bread? Would even such a slice of bread taste the same as good old plain toast?

I  thus reject  synthesis on the basis that it fracks up my toasts.

LOL so true. Does this mean that everything we eat has circuits now? Can we still microwave stuff?

if it has circuits - does it feel the pain of being toasted and write it into its extranet-blog?

[Eterna]

Synthesis only works on AI and Organic life you fools. A toaster and Microwave would at the most contain a VI interface.

[in it for the lolz]

A year later and I still think they are crap and one sided.

[BleedingUranium]

Eterna5 wrote...

Synthesis only works on AI and Organic life you fools. A toaster and Microwave would at the most contain a VI interface.

Doesn't change that Joker's hat has circuits, as does Garrus's armour and everyone else's clothes.

[Archonsg]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Always wondered if post synthesis, you manufacture a toaster is it automatically a synthorganic?

What if I gave it an AI to make the *perfect* toast, 100% of the time? Would it want to steal and eat my toasts?
Speaking of which, since plant matter now have circuitry, how does one go about toasting a synthorganic bread? Would even such a slice of bread taste the same as good old plain toast?

I  thus reject  synthesis on the basis that it fracks up my toasts.

LOL so true. Does this mean that everything we eat has circuits now? Can we still microwave stuff?

if it has circuits - does it feel the pain of being toasted and write it into its extranet-blog?

How about this as food for thought.
Having circuitry grafted onto one's skin and I would assume innards should give both benefits and downsides of such a thing right?

For example, you should be able to pass on and Share information at a touch.
It would also mean that rape or the violation of a person's private most thoughts can happen at a touch.

What of EMP?
Whike big hulking behemoths like the reapers might have hardened systems against EMP / emissions from naturally occurring events such as a Solar flare, I sincerely doubt that stuff like your cat, dog, grass and Humans in general have such that degree of "hardening".

Wouldn't a single massive solar flare event which even today can and has burned out hardened transformers, telecommunications equipment and various other electronics, kill off both flora and fauna at a massive scale?

Imagine if for a moment, an entire region's food crops are wiped out in a blink of an eye.

[Dr_Extrem]

Archonsg wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Always wondered if post synthesis, you manufacture a toaster is it automatically a synthorganic?

What if I gave it an AI to make the *perfect* toast, 100% of the time? Would it want to steal and eat my toasts?
Speaking of which, since plant matter now have circuitry, how does one go about toasting a synthorganic bread? Would even such a slice of bread taste the same as good old plain toast?

I  thus reject  synthesis on the basis that it fracks up my toasts.

LOL so true. Does this mean that everything we eat has circuits now? Can we still microwave stuff?

if it has circuits - does it feel the pain of being toasted and write it into its extranet-blog?

How about this as food for thought.
Having circuitry grafted onto one's skin and I would assume innards should give both benefits and downsides of such a thing right?

For example, you should be able to pass on and Share information at a touch.
It would also mean that rape or the violation of a person's private most thoughts can happen at a touch.

What of EMP?
Whike big hulking behemoths like the reapers might have hardened systems against EMP / emissions from naturally occurring events such as a Solar flare, I sincerely doubt that stuff like your cat, dog, grass and Humans in general have such that degree of "hardening".

Wouldn't a single massive solar flare event which even today can and has burned out hardened transformers, telecommunications equipment and various other electronics, kill off both flora and fauna at a massive scale?

Imagine if for a moment, an entire region's food crops are wiped out in a blink of an eye.

not going to happen .. stuff like this does not happen in utopia. we loose, they win.


another thought .. if everything - even the plants have circuits - will i break my teeth out if i eat an apple? .l.. if yes, i will become a dentist - a really rich dentist.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 16 février 2013 - 12:01 .

[ZLurps]

Can't really put my answer in prosed format.

I don't consider endings, pre or post EC that much of a problem, even they are bad. My biggest problem with last stages of game in Priority:Earth that just doesn't deliver.

What comes to endings, confronting TIM on the Citadel felt very tiresome, I hate to say it, because voice acting is fantastic and I can also see few reasons why BW chose to end TIM's story on Citadel, but IMO it were worked better if his story were ended on Cronos and Citadel were used for something more surreal instead.

What comes to Catalyst and choose your ending sequence, delivery is just awful. How is Shep jumping into some hole, grabbing some rods or shooting some tube going to change anything? Holding rods space magically uploads Sheps essence in where ever Catalyst AI is located? FOWY.

What comes to options per se, synthesis and control are pure space magic. Synthesis alters the very structure of universe without killing every living being via shock. Destroy somehow detects what hardware is running an AI and destroys only those platforms. Control I guess might work to degree.

I guess ending options were supposed to work as abstraction of certain themes, but even then delivery to make that really work just isn't there.

However, I think people were been far more forgiving to the endings if story as whole worked better, pace of game feels disjointed and disappointing Priority:Earth leaves players expecting some sort of kick ass moment to happen on Citadel, which is actually just sort of first chapter of epilogue.

[Auld Wulf]

@Dr_Extrem

No. If you don't cure the krogans, then EDI explicitly states within the ending that not all krogan were hit by the Synthesis wave. Why? They didn't want to be.

But hey, apparently nothing is canon. That's the bloody argument, now. It's basically boiled down to a childish recitation of "the only things that are canon are the bits that suit our purposes, and anything that's contradictory to those purposes is non-canon, even if it was within the game."

I mean, seriously. I am losing all respect for BSN, and my expectation of intelligence here is lowering by the day. Because honestly? Saying that canon isn't canon is the most ridiculous and bloody asinine argument I've ever heard. On no other game forum, over the course of my overly long life, have I ever heard people embrace that.

Except here.

Modifié par Auld Wulf, 16 février 2013 - 01:20 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

I picked Refuse since it was the only one that felt maintained a sense of narrative coherence, and because I just became fed up with the whole ending fiasco and decided to just say "f*ck it".

[Dr_Extrem]

Auld Wulf wrote...

@Dr_Extrem

No. If you don't cure the krogans, then EDI explicitly states within the ending that not all krogan were hit by the Synthesis wave. Why? They didn't want to be.

But hey, apparently nothing is canon. That's the bloody argument, now. It's basically boiled down to a childish recitation of "the only things that are canon are the bits that suit our purposes, and anything that's contradictory to those purposes is non-canon, even if it was within the game."

I mean, seriously. I am losing all respect for BSN, and my expectation of intelligence here is lowering by the day. Because honestly? Saying that canon isn't canon is the most ridiculous bloody argument I've ever heard. On no other game forum, over the course of my overly long life, have I ever heard people embrace that.

Except here.

it is your conclusion that they were not affected by the beam because they did not want to be. this is caused by projection. you cant admit, that every ending has a downside. like violation of personal rights and beliefes (javics case), because it would go against your sense of ethics.

in fact, you are putting your fingers in your ears and shout lalalalala- everything is good and ignore the brown undertone of the endings.

the logical conclusion is, that they were not affected, because they were not healthy.

[Auld Wulf]

Greylycantrope wrote...

I picked Refuse since it was the only one that felt maintained a sense of narrative coherence, and because I just became fed up with the whole ending fiasco and decided to just say "f*ck it".

If humanity would have been presented with the average intelligence of the "canon isn't canon" people here at BSN, then I probably would have done exactly the same thing. Thankfully, the majority in Mass Effect seem to have a higher grade of intellect than that, not mentioning the alien races, so I figured they deserved to be saved.

[Auld Wulf]

@Dr_Extrem

Except that EDI said explicitly that they weren't synthesised. So you're being a truly asinine person by claiming that canon isn't canon, and then babbling some nonsense about projection. All I'm doing is repeating what EDI said, what you're doing is saying that canon isn't canon.

And, ow, I just took another hit to my average expectation of intelligence around these parts thanks to you. Really. This "canon isn't canon" bull is going to rank people as mere troglodytes if this keeps up. You keep making my brain recategorise you on a lower rung.

If you pay attention to what you're saying, you're saying "canon isn't canon." And you don't even have any idea of how patently ridiculous that is.

[Dr_Extrem]

Auld Wulf wrote...

@Dr_Extrem

Except that EDI said explicitly that they weren't synthesised. So you're being a truly asinine person by claiming that canon isn't canon, and then babbling some nonsense about projection. All I'm doing is repeating what EDI said, what you're doing is saying that canon isn't canon.

And, ow, I just took another hit to my average expectation of intelligence around these parts thanks to you. Really. This "canon isn't canon" bull is going to rank people as mere troglodytes if this keeps up. You keep making my brain recategorise you on a lower rung.

If you pay attention to what you're saying, you're saying "canon isn't canon." And you don't even have any idea of how patently ridiculous that is.

it seems you did not even read my post .. so much for intelligence on this board.



you should read the article in your sig ... and think about it. you are the most black/white thinking person around here.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 16 février 2013 - 01:33 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

Auld Wulf wrote...
If humanity would have been presented with the average intelligence of the "canon isn't canon" people here at BSN, then I probably would have done exactly the same thing. Thankfully, the majority in Mass Effect seem to have a higher grade of intellect than that, not mentioning the alien races, so I figured they deserved to be saved.

The same galaxy who buried their collective heads in the sand for 2.5 year while the Reapers inched closer and closer, or the ones who tried to take advantage of the situation? Nope, Darwin awards for all.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 16 février 2013 - 01:36 .

[Dr_Extrem]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...
If humanity would have been presented with the average intelligence of the "canon isn't canon" people here at BSN, then I probably would have done exactly the same thing. Thankfully, the majority in Mass Effect seem to have a higher grade of intellect than that, not mentioning the alien races, so I figured they deserved to be saved.

The same galaxy who buried their collective heads in the sand for 2.5 year while the Reapers inched closer and closer, or the ones who tried to take advantage of the situation? Nope, Darwin awards for all.

i just had to think of the guy in the usa, who was cutting out his tree and put the chipper under the it .. to save time.

well the guy slipped - no family, no offsprings = darwin award with "oak leaves"