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[Mantaal]

Daralii wrote...

I'm never sure if people hate DA2 for its flaws or because it's not Origins.

I like Origins because its one of the best RPGs ever made.
I dont like DA2 because i simply cant play it. I feel Bored after 10 minutes, the story is uninteresting for me, the combat is idiotic and to much hack&slash, decicions dont matter, Voiced Protagonist and you can only play as a Human named Hawke.
So yes its kinda because its not Origins. If it would be like Origins it would be a Good RPG. Or like BG1&2, Like Kotor, like Icewind Dale or NwN. 
So the overall answer is "No" i dont hate DA2 because its not Origins. I dont like DA2 because its an Unplayable, funless wannabe Diablo with Roleplaying aspekts and not a real RPG. 

[zyntifox]

Renmiri1 wrote...

jvaz wrote...

i cant play origins anymore. Played through it about 5 times and after just couldnt bear the will to go past ostagar. DA2 on the other hand, I have played through about 9 times. Gameplay is what ultimately makes me play a game and DA2 feels better to me in that regard.

Same here, combat is too slow and the game is way too long. I usually load an old save before Alistair gives me a rose or one of my ending saves and replay just a tiny bit, if I miss it but gaaaahh combat is almost umplayable so I drop it.

I still play Awakenings sometimes, combat is a lot better if only because you can get so OP as to make combat unnecessary (battle shout kills all  )

I have played DA2 over 10 times and still play it now and then. It is my favorite of the 2 games.

PS: As proof of gamers being different, one of the parts I loved on DAO was the shape shifting and puzzles on the fade 

I can't play DA2 due to the combat being to fast. I had this problem in DA:O as well when i used haste so i ended up not using it. With the speed of combat in DA2 i have to pause and issue commands to the party so frequently it becomes tedious.

[Ashelsu]

DA2 combat is not faster at the end because of wave system. Instead of fighting off 20 goons in 6 minutes, you have to kill 20 goons in 2 minutes, then another 20, and so on. Reanse and repeat. It becomes annoying really fast (I love you, streets of Kirkwall) and just prolonges the game artificially, same as Bosses with 1 million hp. That being said, Legacy made me cautiously hopeful (except for companions AI in the battle with Coripheus).
What makes me really sad, that you cannot praise one game without being accused in hating another.

[Damien-III]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

I think the characters are great. Everything else works well enough, but that's about it.

+ Great characters with lots of dialogue.
- Slow and tedious combat.
- Boring art style.
- Poor graphics and animations.
- Faily generic storyline.
- Linear level design with little exploration.

In the end we have a game that excells in one area and only that one area. It seems like the people in a creative position sat in a room with each other and by the end of the meeting, all they could come up with was " **** it, let's just copy Tolkein."

Now, it would be one thing if Dragon Age did Tolkein better than Tolkein, but doesn't. So, what we have is a farily generic fantasy setting that happens to have great characters. I give Bioware an "A" for effort there. Great character design with top notch voice acting is pretty much their resume. That's all well and good, but let's not pretend that this game is anything other than a LoTR copy cat.

I agree with this, except for the characters. I like almost none of them. DAO is probably my least favorite Bioware game. Liked DA2 better.

[CarlSpackler]

Loved DAO. Still play it. Liked DA2, replayed it once. Hopeful for DA3

[Gibb_Shepard]

motomotogirl wrote...

I find DA:O incredibly boring. 

[Heimdall]

I like DA:O a lot, but I replay DA2 much more simply because DA:O is such a time sink.

[Minttymint]

I love DA:O so much but I just cant for the life of me replay it. I get so used to a games sequel that I find the first game a drag to go through. Same thing happened with Mass Effect. DA2 may not have been the best game in the world but for me at least, it was an improvement in many areas.

[Bfler]

Like DA:O and don't like DA2. My last playthrough of DAO has inspired me to replay NWN 2 and MotB before christmas.

And fact is, that DA2 does only have a considerable amount of sales, because of Origins, the linked title Dragon Age and because it is a Bioware game. As stand-alone game and/or game from a nameless (indie-)developer sales would have been a fail and it would have been already forgotten by the people.

Modifié par Bfler, 16 février 2013 - 04:08 .

[Harle Cerulean]

I play DA2 a lot more than DA:O, first because the combat doesn't feel like such a tedious slog to me, and second because there is no one section of DA2 that I find too long and boring to face again. In DA:O, I hit the Deep Roads and that's it, that game is done. After doing it several times, I just can't bring myself to spend hours down in the unrelieved tedium again. With DA2, the parts that bore me are short enough I can plow through them.

While DA:O has a lot of good in it, I don't find it to be better than DA2, and I hope Bioware can find a way to make fans of both games happy with DA3. However, given than some fans of DA:O are dead-set against anything DA2-like, I suspect that won't be possible, since they effectively just want DA:O v 2.0, which isn't going to happen.

[Jonata]

Yes DA:O is really a evergreen game. Graphics and CC aged not-so-well but that's too much to ask from such an old game, and most of the times I don't care about 'em anyway.

[themikefest]

I enjoy playing DAO. I usually do 1-2 playthroughs a month. The story and characters is what keeps me playing.

[Mantaal]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

While DA:O has a lot of good in it, I don't find it to be better than DA2, and I hope Bioware can find a way to make fans of both games happy with DA3. However, given than some fans of DA:O are dead-set against anything DA2-like, I suspect that won't be possible, since they effectively just want DA:O v 2.0, which isn't going to happen.

Yeah and thats kinda sad because the masses love DA:O and a very few like DA2. They would sell alot more Copys with a real DA2.

[Harle Cerulean]

Mantaal wrote...

Harle Cerulean wrote...

While DA:O has a lot of good in it, I don't find it to be better than DA2, and I hope Bioware can find a way to make fans of both games happy with DA3. However, given than some fans of DA:O are dead-set against anything DA2-like, I suspect that won't be possible, since they effectively just want DA:O v 2.0, which isn't going to happen.

Yeah and thats kinda sad because the masses love DA:O and a very few like DA2. They would sell alot more Copys with a real DA2.

As always, you underestimate how many people like DA2.  There is a very vocal segment of these forums that hate it, and because they shout the loudest, they assume they're the majority, since all they can hear is their own voices.  But there are plenty of other voices out there: people who preferred DA:O and enjoyed some of DA2, but hated other aspects, and overall were lukewarm; people who preferred DA:O but enjoyed DA2 a lot; people who liked both equally; people who preferred DA2; people who haven't even played DA:O.  Hell, there's people on this board who didn't like either one, though it beats me why they hang around...

Pretending that there's a near-consensus about DA2 does nothing to make you look logical or reasonable.

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

horacethegrey wrote...

I've just been replaying the through the game again with my main character, and I'm struck by the sheer detail the devs put into building this world, and how fun the gameplay is. The characters and their interactions with you can be both hilarious and sometimes moving, and while the story isn't as good Bioware's other rpg's, it's still a top notch yarn.

They had many years to develop Dragon Age: Origins. I remember the first stills coming out not too long after Jade Empire's release. It looked like a pretty different game back then. Much more KOTOR-like visually.

I'm still at a loss as to why they couldn't build on the success of this game with DA2. While I don't hate the sequel per se, it was still a huge step down in many respects (aside from Hawke's companions, who are great), from the repetitive gameplay to the utterly drab locale that is Kirkwall. 

Wonder no more. They wanted to try something different and the release was rushed. Never a good combination. My opinion is that they should have done Kirkwall as an open world map with an option to switch between day and night (on top of having a proper day/night cycle. It should have been a vibrant, exciting, populated place that changed over the years to reflect the passage of time.

DA2 had so much potential, but so much was squandered because of the deadline's EA imposes upon their subsidiaries whenever they have a success on their hands. Remember that DA:O was being developed prior to EA's acquisition of BioWare.

I really hope Inquisition is a return to form for Bioware, because playing through DA:O  again has me wanting a truly great sequel to it.

I hope that Inquisition is as replayable as DA:O but with a story as solid as DA2 had (DA:O's story is a fairly stock standard heroic fantasy tale of defeating ancient evil to save the world). DA2's story is much more interesting than DA:O's, but is unfortunately easy to lose sight of if all you can see is DA2's technical faults.

[samgurl775]

CarlSpackler wrote...

Loved DAO. Still play it. Liked DA2, replayed it once. Hopeful for DA3

Same here.

[Raging_Pulse]

As a matter of fact, I just started another playthrough, Human Noble Two-Handed Warrior.

I have never played a Two-hander before and to be honest, I expected to lose interest quickly, mainly because of his slow auto-attack speed... And boy I was wrong - I'm having a blast. I just reached Ostagar and am as eager to continue playing the game as ever.

I like DA2 too, but for me, DA:O is a whole 'nother level. I love it to bits

[Ashevajak]

Yeah, DA:O is simply amazing. Hands down one of the most enjoyable games I have ever played, if not the most enjoyable (a fully modded out Baldur's Gate 2 is serious competition for the title). I'm still playing it now, in fact.

DA2 was more of a mixed bag. Not a bad game...but I can definitely see why, after the high standards set by the original, some did not enjoy it as much.

[Anomaly-]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
- Linear level design with little exploration.

Wait, what? I don't agree with the others, but at least I can chalk them up to different tastes. That one, however, makes no sense to me. Origins level design was far less linear and encouraged much more exploration than DA2.

As for the topic itself, I continue to mod and play DA:O to this day. DA2 I had to force myself to finish the first playthrough, and couldn't make it through act 1 on a second. A toolset might have helped to change that, but we will never know.

[Kalas Magnus]

simfamSP wrote...

Well, it's not gonna change, is it? xD Of course it's a great game, always will be. Just like BG, BG2, KOTOR etc...

[Hadeedak]

Like 'em both, play them both. For different reasons. I will say Hawke feels a lot more personal and real, whereas my Warden usually slips immediately into BIG GUDDAM HERO mode. The gameplay;'s more fun in DA2, but a bit more repetitive.

I dunno. I'm easy-going. I like most things, but don't LOVE them unless they're superlative. There's parts of both games I love, and I enjoy them. I'll certainly get my money's worth on replay.

[gw2005]

DA2 obviously had better gameplay mechanics, there are plenty of comparison threads out there so Im not even going to try. While Bioware is obviously looking to combine the best of the two, we have to remember how long it took a relatively small team that is Bioware Dragon Age, to make DA:O. Unless the team had expended dramatically since then, given the dev time DA3 is likely to get, don't expect DA3 to have the same level of detail as in DA:O.

[Zered]

Uh I didn't find the mechanics any better in fact they were bad for me. In terms of story and detail Origins beat the crap out of DA2. This a shame that Bioware probably won't be able to make a game with so much detail and such a good story. After DA2 and ME3 im kind of prepared for something bad and a **** storm to follow it. Still that sucker fanboy in me wishes they will turn around.

Anyways: De gustibus non est disputandum.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Dragon Age Origins is a game you'd buy full price the day its released, Dragon Age 2 on the other hand is a game you'd only rent or get a loan of a copy from a mate.

Dragon Age 2 was never worth the full price of a newly released game.

Modifié par DinoSteve, 17 février 2013 - 12:25 .

[Yendor_Trawz]

The Teryn of Whatever wrote...

They wanted to try something different and the release was rushed. Never a good combination. My opinion is that they should have done Kirkwall as an open world map with an option to switch between day and night (on top of having a proper day/night cycle. It should have been a vibrant, exciting, populated place that changed over the years to reflect the passage of time.

I think what became DA2 should have been a DA:O expansion. it was too rushed to be a stand alone game of quality. But by taking the best elements from it, it could be an good expansion size story. Maybe a tougher journey to Kirkwall and then just the Arishok arc.

The scenario could have been that you met Hawke and family in Lothering during DA:O to establish the backstory. Maybe one of Carver or Bethany has to stay behind  The expansion then becomes about the reunion of the family and events in Kirkwall. In the expansion you play Carver, Bethany, or even Sten, who learns the Qunari are in Kirkwall and leaves the Warden to report to the Arishok.. Some good possibilities there IMO.

Then DA2, with more development, is more expansive in several settings and goes full scale on the Mage/Templar conflict.

Modifié par Yendor_Trawz, 17 février 2013 - 01:33 .