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I just played through the quest to acquire Shale in Honnleath. Unlike my previous playthroughs, this time I went raw and played the "hard ass" with Matthias and as far as "my character" was concerned, with good reason. I'm curious to see what others think of how "he" reasoned and went about the events in Honnleath. For the record, Jonas Amell (my character) as a mage has his own set of "contextual" ethics. He accepts that as a mage, his motivations will often be much different and often further reaching than those without magic. While he would never do anything blatantly unethical or immoral, he accepts that his sense of context will always be different. So... Here goes...

After destroying all the darkspawn, Jonas spoke with Matthias about getting Shale. Of course, Matthias did his little whiny thing about how he didn't care about anything and that if Jonas wanted the password to activate Shale, he was to "Go get his daughter". Of course, Jonas Amell didn't have to do anything nor did he take kindly to being coerced which made him suspicious of Matthias, but, he wanted the Golem. After the veiled threat/warning, "You're brave..." he proceeded deeper into the basement to retrieve little Amalia. After speaking with the "Kitty" and learning it's intentions, he made his way back to Matthias and told him he couldn't find the girl... Thinking... Hoping... that he (Matthias) would allow his gonads to descend and make his way into the (now clear) basement to retrieve his daughter, which he did. Ironically, this resulted in him being "changed" by Kitty. What's more, Kitty ultimately gave Jonas what he came for even when she didn't have to. Jonas considered the irony and thereby decided to leave things as they were, much to the chagrin of Alistair and Leliana. Sten (of course), couldn't have cared less.

Now, Jonas reasoned that first, Matthias' mother was unscrupulous, because she provided the wrong password for an item she knew would be resold. In essence this could have had lethal consequences for the salesman, had he not decided to give the control rod away. Likewise to the buyer had he/she died at the hands of the darkspawn or Shale for that matter. Yes, he could understand her dismay over losing her husband, but her actions were still unscrupulous. She could have just as easily thrown the control rod in the lake (as Shale mentioned in conversation), but she didn't. Second, he reasoned that Matthias himself wasn't the innocent doting father he portrayed himself to be. He reasoned that Matthias (who was clearly a mage), had to have known more about his father's defenses than he let on. What's more, he let another man chase after his daughter which resulted in that man's death. Jonas considered the fact that perhaps he sent that unfortunate sod into the basement with the hope that he'd be "changed" by Kitty and thus freeing his daughter ("IF" she was ever in any danger to begin with). After all, the girl made it all the way to the end of the basement and was apparently unharmed. Also, if he was so terrified about going into the basement, why did he seal himself and his neighbors into that portion of the basement, knowing his father's "unknown defenses"  were at their backs? How many more would have been sacrificed or killed as a result of Mathias' stupidity, cowardice, deviousness? Jonas also reasoned that if Matthias was either the blantant (albeit persistent) coward that he presented himself to be or a devious mage, his situation with Kitty was "just desserts".

[Disclaimer] Yes, I know that I tend to over think things. It's a condition that I can do little about, but it provides me some entertainment and food for thought.

Modifié par GabrielXL, 24 février 2013 - 12:36 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

There's a perfectly good reason Matthias sealed himself into that part of the basement despite the defenses; he was more scared of the darkspawn. He should have kept a closer eye on his daughter, maybe physically (or magically) restraining her to prevent her from running, but the alternative to being behind that wall was being within reach of the darkspawn.

[dainbramage]

As an aside, it's implied in the codex that Kitty is responsible for breaking Shale's control rod. I only found that out on like my 15th playthrough.

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dainbramage wrote...

As an aside, it's implied in the codex that Kitty is responsible for breaking Shale's control rod. I only found that out on like my 15th playthrough.

Ahh... So I haven't completely lost my mind. I thought I remembered reading something along those lines, but couldn't remember where. Clearly, there's more to this story than what was presented. Thanks for the input.

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Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

There's a perfectly good reason Matthias sealed himself into that part of the basement despite the defenses; he was more scared of the darkspawn. He should have kept a closer eye on his daughter, maybe physically (or magically) restraining her to prevent her from running, but the alternative to being behind that wall was being within reach of the darkspawn.

I agree... in principle, but why not seal off that entire space? By that I mean both doorways and the ladder. It would have at least given them more room to move around, a possible exit and quite possibly prevented his daughter from running deeper into the basement. Of course, this is 20/20 hindsight.



I'm laughing about myself right now. I just like stories to make sense and suffice it to say that this game has quite a few plot holes. Still, thanks for your input.

Modifié par GabrielXL, 24 février 2013 - 12:29 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

The implication of Mattias' exposition, and the Journal Codex in the lab, is that Wilhelm had set up the barrier to be triggered or deactivated whenever necessary. So Matthias is able to activate and deactivate it, but he has no control over where it is. Nor can he use it to seal off the doorway into the lab, since Wilhelm didn't foresee any reason to create a two layer barrier; anything that can get through that barrier is probably better answered by the shades bound in the library.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 25 février 2013 - 04:07 .

[Toneai2007]

I understand this is not the topic, nevertheless this is the newest post. So, I have a bug/glitch, I decided to save the girl and I believe myself to solve the puzzle (done it in former playthroughs) my problem is that the pieces do not move accordingly, for example: one piece moves normally, other moves diagonally and the some move like knights in chess, not to mention some pieces do not aim where they are supposed to, I believe this is just a cosmetic glitch and that the puzzle still works, so with patience and vigor I will eventually "solve the puzzle" (Try and error baby), I only wonder if anyone has experienced something similar.

[thats1evildude]

dainbramage wrote...

As an aside, it's implied in the codex that Kitty is responsible for breaking Shale's control rod. I only found that out on like my 15th playthrough.

Caridin himself also suggests it may have been Wilhelm's experiments awakening old memories in Shale that caused her to go out of control.

GabrielXL wrote...

I agree... in principle, but why not seal off that entire space? By that I mean both doorways and the ladder. It would have at least given them more room to move around, a possible exit and quite possibly prevented his daughter from running deeper into the basement. Of course, this is 20/20 hindsight.

Keep in mind he was activating his father's automated defences. He may not have had a choice about where to put that wall.

Toneai2007 wrote...

I understand this is not the topic, nevertheless this is the newest post. So, I have a bug/glitch, I decided to save the girl and I believe myself to solve the puzzle (done it in former playthroughs) my problem is that the pieces do not move accordingly, for example: one piece moves normally, other moves diagonally and the some move like knights in chess, not to mention some pieces do not aim where they are supposed to, I believe this is just a cosmetic glitch and that the puzzle still works, so with patience and vigor I will eventually "solve the puzzle" (Try and error baby), I only wonder if anyone has experienced something similar.

In my game, the puzzle pieces just move into the nearest empty space. I've never checked to see if they could move diagonally, though that does sound like a bug.