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[Hazegurl]

My maleShep almost always romances Miranda in ME2 then Kaidan in ME3. I know this is a thread about the women characters only but I like Kaidan's strength, independence, and sensitivity while Miranda has strength and independence. No weak clingy lovers for me, that's probably why my Shep gets along with Kelly (independence and sensitivity) so well too.

The way I see it Miranda and Kelly are real women while Tali and Liara are girls, they sort of remind me of the relationships you can have in high school. Especially Tali. Nothing wrong with that if you like it but just watching the videos of Tali and Shep flirting everywhere was too childish IMO. Jack is too damaged for me to deal with but I have seen a youtube romance with her and I like that she can surprise you by being deeper than she appears. At first I just considered her to be some sort of emo woe is me type. I still wouldn't romance her though.

[inb4lock]

Oransel wrote...
Majority of women are more predisposed to be passive and submissive physiologically, psychologically and culturally (human history and evolution made the mark). Yet, this predesposition is not defining at all as there are a LOT of strong women we all love.

Sorry, but unless you can prove it im calling BS on the first part except for the culture part. The second seems more like you are disagreeing with the first part yourself....

Oransel wrote...
There is no such thing as right or wrong behaviour in women or men, everyone is different and we should respect that.

I agree, though it does not stop me from wondering why.

[humes spork]

None of the above. Shepard's there to do a damn job, not hump around with subordinates.

[avenging_teabag]

inb4lock wrote...

Why does so mane guys want submissive women?
Do you really want some housewife who cooks, cleans, give birth and spread her legs when ever you are in the mood? The rest of the time she just does what you tell her....
Note: I have no problem with stay at home moms. But those aren't what I am refering to. You can be at home with the kids and still have a spine.

I'm not a guy, but I would like to draw your attention to a few points:
1. Being nice, kind and caring doesn't equal a submissive doormat, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.
2. People who are nice, kind and caring are generally more fun to be around than arrogant b**** queens or psychotic screw-ups, for example. Shocking, I know.
3. Traditional masculine/feminine qualities are deeply engraved in the human psyche. There's nothing wrong with a lot of guys wanting to romance characters who are more stereotypically feminine.

Modifié par avenging_teabag, 18 février 2013 - 10:25 .

[Argolas]

Mysterious can be interesting and attractive, but that type doesn't really work for me. I'd say independent, though my preferred LI is Liara. However, I wasn't that interested in ME1 where she was more like your type 3, I chose Ashley back then. In LotSB however, she was stronger than ever and still the same inside, plus the romance scenes were awesome. At the same time, the Ashley character went mostly offscreen in ME2 and was ruined in ME3 IMO, so I chose Liara.

That's maleshep btw, the only femshep I ever got through romanced Kelly, just because I was curious if she was a real LI that would be imported to ME3.

Modifié par Argolas, 18 février 2013 - 10:29 .

[john-in-france]

First, sorry but I'm not into girls.

I once romanced Liara but thought her personality was too childish/negative for me...as well as Asari look female, and as a heterosexual female myself I don't really find that attractive. I liked Aria more, but would have preferred Asari to look mono-gendered (no ******). Other Asari creeped me out with the touching thing...Shiala and Shi'ira, just ick, keep your hands to yourself.

However your comment on did we romance characters that we find attractive in real life...well that one is interesting. Yes, I did. Garrus and Thane. Maybe I don't RPG as much as I should!

[inb4lock]

avenging_teabag wrote...

I'm not a guy, but I would like to draw your attention to a few points:
1. Being nice, kind and caring doesn't equal a submissive doormat, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.
2. People who are nice, kind and caring are generally more fun to be around than arrogant b**** queens or psychotic screw-ups, for example. Shocking, I know.
3. Traditional masculine/feminine qualities are deeply engraved in the human psyche. There's nothing wrong with a lot of guys wanting to romance characters who are more stereotypically feminine.

1. We completely agree. But for me Submissive = a submissive doormat, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. Which I myself could never see myself with.
2. We still agree.
3. Agree again. But stereotpically feminine does not equal submissive. As i said earlier, my wife is very feminine, but she is on no way submissive.

I think you might have quoted the wrong person or missread what I wrote.

[Argolas]

inb4lock wrote...

Why does so mane guys want submissive women?
Do you really want some housewife who cooks, cleans, give birth and spread her legs when ever you are in the mood? The rest of the time she just does what you tell her....
Note: I have no problem with stay at home moms. But those aren't what I am refering to. You can be at home with the kids and still have a spine.

In response to this: Hell no. One of the most important thing in a relationship for me is to know that my girlfriend (or wife when that happens) is able to stand up against me. There is nothing worse for me than feeling like something was wrong while knowing that my girlfriend would not tell me. Her intentions behind that may be kind, but if she does not tell me if there is a problem between us, we will only hurt each other.

Submission is a nice game in a relationship that you can enjoy once in a while if you really trust each other, but IMO a serious relationship can only work if both partners respect each other enough to consider the other one equal.

[inb4lock]

john-in-france wrote...

First, sorry but I'm not into girls.

I once romanced Liara but thought her personality was too childish/negative for me...as well as Asari look female, and as a heterosexual female myself I don't really find that attractive. I liked Aria more, but would have preferred Asari to look mono-gendered (no ******). Other Asari creeped me out with the touching thing...Shiala and Shi'ira, just ick, keep your hands to yourself.

However your comment on did we romance characters that we find attractive in real life...well that one is interesting. Yes, I did. Garrus and Thane. Maybe I don't RPG as much as I should!

Sorry, but a monogendered mamal needs ******. Only thing that could be changed is size.

[avenging_teabag]

inb4lock wrote...

avenging_teabag wrote...

I'm not a guy, but I would like to draw your attention to a few points:
1. Being nice, kind and caring doesn't equal a submissive doormat, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.
2. People who are nice, kind and caring are generally more fun to be around than arrogant b**** queens or psychotic screw-ups, for example. Shocking, I know.
3. Traditional masculine/feminine qualities are deeply engraved in the human psyche. There's nothing wrong with a lot of guys wanting to romance characters who are more stereotypically feminine.

1. We completely agree. But for me Submissive = a submissive doormat, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. Which I myself could never see myself with.
2. We still agree.
3. Agree again. But stereotpically feminine does not equal submissive. As i said earlier, my wife is very feminine, but she is on no way submissive.

I think you might have quoted the wrong person or missread what I wrote.

I dunno, I haven't seen a lot of guys in this thread expressing their preference for submissive kitchen slaves - a lot of them said that they went for a nicer, more subdued, more feminine personalities, i.e. Liara and Tali. Nothing wrong wiht that.

I think the initial unfortunate thread title might have confused us both 

[Argolas]

avenging_teabag wrote...

inb4lock wrote...

avenging_teabag wrote...

I'm not a guy, but I would like to draw your attention to a few points:
1. Being nice, kind and caring doesn't equal a submissive doormat, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.
2. People who are nice, kind and caring are generally more fun to be around than arrogant b**** queens or psychotic screw-ups, for example. Shocking, I know.
3. Traditional masculine/feminine qualities are deeply engraved in the human psyche. There's nothing wrong with a lot of guys wanting to romance characters who are more stereotypically feminine.

1. We completely agree. But for me Submissive = a submissive doormat, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. Which I myself could never see myself with.
2. We still agree.
3. Agree again. But stereotpically feminine does not equal submissive. As i said earlier, my wife is very feminine, but she is on no way submissive.

I think you might have quoted the wrong person or missread what I wrote.

I dunno, I haven't seen a lot of guys in this thread expressing their preference for submissive kitchen slaves - a lot of them said that they went for a nicer, more subdued, more feminine personalities, i.e. Liara and Tali. Nothing wrong wiht that.

I think the initial unfortunate thread title might have confused us both 

Neither Liara nor Tali are really examples of submissive kitchen slaves. Both are able to handle a gun and defend themselves, that totally goes against the stereotypes. In their roles as Shadow Broker and Admiral, they also have great responsibilites, that doesn't fit the stereotype either.

[avenging_teabag]

^ Exactly. Not "in your face" brash badass =/= weak and spineless.

As an aside, Admiral Tali is, quite frankly, idiocy. She's so underqualified, it's not funny - but blame nepotism or ME3 so-called "writing".

Modifié par avenging_teabag, 18 février 2013 - 11:39 .

[inb4lock]

@Avengin_teabag. Perhaps it is my understanding of submissive that is incorrect, or the way it was used in this thread that is flawed.

[Nykara]

Arcian wrote...

Nykara wrote...

Sensitive, caring, protective guys who have good moral standards but can kick arse out in the combat field.

When you say sensitive, do you mean a spineless doormat who lives only to serve his mistress or a guy with the emotional depth to cry at the end of Toy Story 3?

Emotional depth. At the same time I do also like a guy willing to pull his weight in both a relationship and with family around the house. Too many make an effort at the start of a relationship and then forget it after they've got the girl. I like time and romance and all of that - it needs to continue and not just vanish or become very one sided to the point where the girls the only one making an effort. Teamwork in all aspects I guess you could say.

[jancz89]

no mysterious for me please, thank you

[john-in-france]

inb4lock wrote...

john-in-france wrote...

First, sorry but I'm not into girls.

I once romanced Liara but thought her personality was too childish/negative for me...as well as Asari look female, and as a heterosexual female myself I don't really find that attractive. I liked Aria more, but would have preferred Asari to look mono-gendered (no ******). Other Asari creeped me out with the touching thing...Shiala and Shi'ira, just ick, keep your hands to yourself.

However your comment on did we romance characters that we find attractive in real life...well that one is interesting. Yes, I did. Garrus and Thane. Maybe I don't RPG as much as I should!

Sorry, but a monogendered mamal needs ******. Only thing that could be changed is size.

True. They could develop ****** when breast feeding and then look flatter. I'm just saying that they look too female for my mind to see them as anything else. My failing really.

[Oransel]

inb4lock wrote...

Oransel wrote...
Majority of women are more predisposed to be passive and submissive physiologically, psychologically and culturally (human history and evolution made the mark). Yet, this predesposition is not defining at all as there are a LOT of strong women we all love.

Sorry, but unless you can prove it im calling BS on the first part except for the culture part. The second seems more like you are disagreeing with the first part yourself....

Oransel wrote...
There is no such thing as right or wrong behaviour in women or men, everyone is different and we should respect that.

I agree, though it does not stop me from wondering why.

Well, I may try to answer you from biological standpoint, you can agree or not. Women can get pregnant - a state which leaves little to no means to defend herself, get food and shelter. It was up to a man to take leadership in order to protect her and go fight the intruders. If she would b*tch and stand up against the male he would leave her and find another female worth impreganting. This rule worked for the whole human history, except for 20th-21th centuries, leaving impressive genetic marks on us - not only physical (males are physically stronger and larger), but psychological as well. Perhaps in the future this will be negated further. Some women follow those ancient instincts, some take modern approach, but both are right.

Modifié par Oransel, 18 février 2013 - 12:14 .

[inb4lock]

Oransel wrote...

inb4lock wrote...

Oransel wrote...
Majority of women are more predisposed to be passive and submissive physiologically, psychologically and culturally (human history and evolution made the mark). Yet, this predesposition is not defining at all as there are a LOT of strong women we all love.

Sorry, but unless you can prove it im calling BS on the first part except for the culture part. The second seems more like you are disagreeing with the first part yourself....

Oransel wrote...
There is no such thing as right or wrong behaviour in women or men, everyone is different and we should respect that.

I agree, though it does not stop me from wondering why.

Well, I may try to answer you from biological standpoint, you can agree or not. Women can get pregnant - a state which leaves little to no means to defend herself, get food and shelter. It was up to a man to take leadership in order to protect her and go fight the intruders. If she would b*tch and stand up against the male he would leave her and find another female worth impreganting. This rule worked for the whole human history, except for 20th-21th centuries, leaving impressive genetic marks on us - not only physical (males are physically stronger and larger), but psychological as well. Perhaps in the future this will be negated further. Some women follow those ancient instincts, some take modern approach, but both are right.

There is a difference between accepting someone as leader and being submissive. And just because you arent a b*tch it does not make you submissive.

 With regards to being pregnant making you in need of shelter. That is why we have have social skills. We grouped together to help each other. Who do you think defended the pregnant woman, when the men went hunting? The kids, the old and frail or the other women?

[Dieb]

avenging_teabag wrote...
I'm not a guy, but I would like to draw your attention to a few points:
1. Being nice, kind and caring doesn't equal a submissive doormat, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.
2. People who are nice, kind and caring are generally more fun to be around than arrogant b**** queens or psychotic screw-ups, for example. Shocking, I know.
3. Traditional masculine/feminine qualities are deeply engraved in the human psyche. There's nothing wrong with a lot of guys wanting to romance characters who are more stereotypically feminine.

Thank you. No surprise it took an actual woman to put my words in the right way.

[Oransel]

inb4lock wrote...

There is a difference between accepting someone as leader and being submissive. And just because you arent a b*tch it does not make you submissive.

With regards to being pregnant making you in need of shelter. That is why we have have social skills. We grouped together to help each other. Who do you think defended the pregnant woman, when the men went hunting? The kids, the old and frail or the other women?

Well, it depends on how you understand the term. For me submissiveness is accepting that there is a leader over you. That's my definition, there are other definitions. To clarify, I had not meant BDSM term or something along that, just what I said.

As for social skills, most of the mammals have them in one form or another, it's not human achievement. 
Actually, it depends of what kind of danger you talk about. Women, indeed defended packs from lonely animals, but it was up to males to defend them when other humans came with war or when males from the same group started advancing against her.

[inb4lock]

Oransel wrote...
Well, it depends on how you understand the term. For me submissiveness is accepting that there is a leader over you. That's my definition, there are other definitions. To clarify, I had not meant BDSM term or something along that, just what I said.

By that definition, anyone not selfemployed are submissive, both male and female.

Modifié par inb4lock, 18 février 2013 - 12:59 .

[Oransel]

inb4lock wrote...

Oransel wrote...
Well, it depends on how you understand the term. For me submissiveness is accepting that there is a leader over you. That's my definition, there are other definitions. To clarify, I had not meant BDSM term or something along that, just what I said.

By that definition, anyone not selfemployed are submissive, both male and female.

I was talking about relationships, and sorry, English is not my first language 

[Nightwriter]

o Ventus wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I've never understood the appeal of insipidness.

Are you talking about the thread, saying it's insipid? Were you vaguely answering the OP?

Er, the second one. And it was back when the thread title read "... or submissive girls?" Don't really understand those.

I suppose I could change the statement to "I've never understood the appeal of demure love interests."

If they're virginal also, I especially don't understand the appeal, but then I've never been too sure just what is up with the virgin fixation. Oddly acute, isn't it? You always see those weird ass fanfics where someone was like LET'S PRETEND JACK IS A VIRGIN AND SHE IS SCARED BECAUSE IT'S HER FIRST TIME. And you're like, "You know she isn't. Why do you do this? Why? This is not right and making it wrong holds no appeal. What -- oh God, an Udina/hermaphro!Shep fic, close window, close window, close -- "

I've forgotten what my point was. I think it was that those "what's the worst ME fanfic you've ever read" discussions you have with your friends sound like fun until you are gouging out your eyes and screaming that there is no God. Who is laughing then, kids? Who is laughing then?

Modifié par Nightwriter, 18 février 2013 - 07:51 .

[Reorte]

I really like Tali but it would be nice if she was a little more, hmm, not really sure how to describe it. She says back in ME1 that her mother was just in the background and it feels like she takes after her a bit. Maybe a bit more independence is what's needed.

[XxBrokenBonezxX]

Girly girls.