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TheLittleBird

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SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT PLAYED DA: ORIGINS OR DA: 2 YET!

The Warden

So, The Warden. We all want to see the Hero of Ferelden again in a future Dragon Age game. And I think I can safely say most, if not all, of us don't want him/her to talk when we do. That would just ruin the character we build during our playthrough of the first game. Well, I have an idea for a cameo appearance of our beloved Warden, provided he/she survived endgame.

Dragon Age lore(and Riordan, for that matter) has taught us that every Warden eventually finds himself (I'm going with him from now on, makes things easier) in the Deep Roads. He longs for a good fight, seeing darkspawn fall at his feet and leaving a trail of bodies until he himself is slain. Well, I've pictured that for my own Warden.
I see him on the cliffs above a Dead Trench, bodies of hur- and genlocks all around him, his sword slashing through tons of others. He is, ofcourse, vastly outstrengthened, but holds his ground really well. His face tired, but also a sense of joy in his eyes (I picture this a bit like the face he gives when delivering the final blow to the Archdemon, but slightly... happier). With one slash he fells a rushing ogre, which falls to the ground. Covered from head to toe in litres of blood, the Warden feels the ground tremble as the ogre's weight makes a part of the cliff break of, sending both the darkspawn and the Warden into the trench. 

So there you have it. This is how I picture my Warden's death, and I think this would make for a great cameo appearance in Dragon Age 3, or any later Dragon Age game for that matter. It's a heroic one, showing off the Hero's skills in combat while still having him speak not a single word. I picture this scene with a lot of gore: not DA2's comicy gore, but Origins gore. That is how I would like my Warden to appear before my other hero, who could be seeing all this from a distance.

I know this can be done properly. Just DON'T MAKE HIM TALK. Not even a single word. NONE.

A nice suggestion, I think, by one Calob:

Calob wrote...

Bioware should should make it where the DA3 takes the Warden's apperance and Hawke's apperance from your save files and import it into the game. They should even let us edit them to make them look better on the new engine.


This seems like a great idea: Bioware could import the Warden, which comes ofcourse from a different engine. I'm sure there's some coding to keep the model: when that's done, ofcourse he/she will look different from in the first game. Give the players a little CC to make them look even better

That was all I have to share for you guys. Now, back to gaming.

EDIT 

I have read all your arguments and want to make clear that this is just an idea, brainstorming if you will, nothing more. It just seemed a neutral one, for a lack of better words, considering the Grey Warden's most common fate. in general. Maybe my idea is too personalized, I know. Even so, it's the most likely Bioware will only reference the Warden in future games. This is just my idea about a cameo, and I'd like to hear yours. I'm interested in the certain topic, to see what the forum-frequenters have to say.

Hawke

So, what about Hawke? I think a cameo of the Champion is all the more likely, considering he has a voice, can only be a human (humans, I hope, will stay the same in Dragon Age 3. Don't twist their ears, Bioware), and the fact that Dragon Age 2 was all about the Seeker, which I suspect will be a party member in the third game, trying to find this Hawke. Of course, this would be very difficult, considering Hawke's personality depended on the player. But, I always felt distant from him: like he wasn't ME. I think you know what I mean. What do you think about this?

Modifié par TheLittleBird, 16 février 2013 - 08:34 .


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Harle Cerulean

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Not everyone plays a Warden who wants to die fighting Darkspawn - some people's Wardens would do everything they can to get out of it. And it's not like it's some irresistible pull - it's tradition, because a Warden who doesn't die in battle will eventually become a ghoul.

Basically, it might be what you see as a great ending for your Warden, but it'd be vastly OOC for others' Wardens. That's why the Warden is so tricky to do anything with.

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Not sure if my Warden would be one to go out like this, but I'd be okay with it if any returning characters that knew/were close to her actually acknowledged it and it felt like the scene had purpose...

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I find it hilarious that everybody is moaning on wanting to see their warden again and will no doubt explode in anger IF they see him / her again and it's not like they imagined it.

Yeah, if you have a million mods changing your character's face / hair etc, good luck.

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I don't want bioware to conclude my warden.

I don't need them to conclude my warden.

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I would appreciate them crafting a new DA3 sidequest dlc that would allow us to access our origins Warden for the duration of it; problematical as hell - but the Warden and the Grey Wardens (and their lore) were a huge part of what made this franchise; despite how any current developers personally feel about that fact.

Modifié par chuckwells62, 15 février 2013 - 07:41 .


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and exclude me from "we". WC story is pretty much over for me.

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Harle Cerulean wrote...

Not everyone plays a Warden who wants to die fighting Darkspawn - some people's Wardens would do everything they can to get out of it. And it's not like it's some irresistible pull - it's tradition, because a Warden who doesn't die in battle will eventually become a ghoul.

Avernus somehow managed to avoid becoming a ghoul.  My Warden aspired to be like Avernus.

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OP, I love my Wardens but do not care if I see them again in any future DA game. They played their part it is time for new protagonists to shine.

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TheLittleBird wrote...

So, The Warden. We all want to see the Hero of Ferelden again in a future Dragon Age game.


We? Who is this we?  I'm perfectly fine head canoning anything my warden does.

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Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Not everyone plays a Warden who wants to die fighting Darkspawn - some people's Wardens would do everything they can to get out of it. And it's not like it's some irresistible pull - it's tradition, because a Warden who doesn't die in battle will eventually become a ghoul.

Avernus somehow managed to avoid becoming a ghoul.  My Warden aspired to be like Avernus.


See where I said "some people's Wardens would do everything they can to get out of it?" ;)  Attempting to prevent the progression of the Taint qualifies under that, I think.  (Though Avernus has only managed not to become a ghoul so far, of course.  It could well still happen in the future, just greatly postponed.  That's something we don't know about.)

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not interested in cameo's

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How exactly would the Warden be absolutely irredeemably ruined if he/she was voiced? 0_o

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TheLittleBird wrote...

 I think I can safely say most, if not all, of us don't want him/her to talk when we do.


I doubt it's that clean cut.  Those more vocal about it on the BSN aren't the entire fanbase.  I don't think there will be many who will decide not to buy whatever DA game a Warden makes a cameo and has a voice.  Probably some of those vocal about it on the BSN, because some of them are very passionate about what they think should and shouldn't be in a DA game, but I think that even most of those who do express wanting something other than a Warden cameo or one that is voiced would still play the game when it comes down to buying it or not.  You're not going to see a large boycott of the game and I don't believe that a section of those who call for a particular vision on the BSN is indicative of the entire fanbase.

As for my opinion on the cameo idea.  I think it's interesting, but ultimately a cop out.  I personally would like to see him/her featured and given a voice if necessary.  I feel that after some of the references made that Bioware have built an expectation that the Warden should return, especially with the Morrigan storyline being unfinished.  I think reducing the Warden's role to an easter egg is like what they did with Tali's face in ME3.  They should have rendered her face in the game and showed us when she unmasked on her ancestral home planet.

Still that's just my opnion.  Not saying yours is wrong, just that I'd like to see something different.

Modifié par Reidbynature, 15 février 2013 - 08:12 .


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Knight of Dane wrote...

I don't want bioware to conclude my warden.

I don't need them to conclude my warden.


Have to agree here, though, I think them just leaving it to headcanon would be the best way to go...

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Foopydoopydoo wrote...

How exactly would the Warden be absolutely irredeemably ruined if he/she was voiced? 0_o


That only applies to those so opposed to the idea that nothing will make them happy. In short, it's just an opinion.

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Yeah I'm not really that interested in seeing any of my Warden's again either. I loved playing them all but I'm perfectly happy with where they are now, and IF BioWare ever were to bring the Warden back I would hope it would be for much more than just a cameo, and even then I'd still be perfectly content with never seeing the Warden again.

And as for OP's idea, I'm sure that's quite perfect for your Warden, but it would be absolutely dreadful for all of my Wardens, which is why I'm against a Warden cameo.

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"We" in my story is the fanbase I've met since joining it. Bear with me, since I haven't delved deep into the fanbase as of yet. It's just how I see it as of right now.

Yes, I am aware other people don't want to see their Warden like this. It's just my idea. Maybe Bioware could make it so that you choose how you want to see your Warden appear, from a list of possibilities, if they ever decide to include a Warden cameo. And no, I didn't mean the game would be ruined if our hero was given a voice. It just doesn't feel right. The character would be ruined. For me, at least.
Of course, everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion. I still feel this would make a nice cameo.

EDIT: and, since all of you seem to have different opinions on the subject: how would you like to see your Warden to return, if he/she did?

Modifié par TheLittleBird, 15 février 2013 - 08:43 .


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I wouldn't mind seeing my Warden(s) again (in fact, I'd love to see her/them again), but I'm not sure that only being onscreen long enough to die in the Deep Roads is quite what I had in mind.

Granted, between myself and every other poster on the BSN, I don't know if any of us would agree on a single thing, so saying "not what I had in mind" isn't exactly helpful to anyone.

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I wouldn't want my Warden to cameo like that lol, but I guess however they implement him/her (if at all) it's going to be tricky surrounding the voice... or lack of.

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I doubt the talking thing is as much of an issue as the appearance thing, especially with those of us who mainly played elves or dwarves. I was fine with the elf redesign, but if my Warden had changed in the same way as Zevran... And the elves are (I think) getting a further redesign for DA3, aren't they?

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I don't know, a voice would seem to take away the character I've build around my Warden, and this seemed like a solution. But how would you guys like to see your Warden appear again, granted you do want him/her to, of course.

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I thought I read that David Gaider is unsure how he wants to continue with this whole Calling thing. Basically, ever since the DAO Warden figured out how broodmothers are made, sending women down there - even if they are wardens - seems pretty inhumane on a personal level and unwise on a strategical level.

This could lead to problems sending female wardens into the Deep Roads for their Calling, indeed.

Personally I'm not too keen on seeing any of my past PCs, Warden or Hawke alike. I would likely be okay with it if it happened, but I would prefer if it didn't.

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TheLittleBird wrote...

I don't know, a voice would seem to take away the character I've build around my Warden, and this seemed like a solution. But how would you guys like to see your Warden appear again, granted you do want him/her to, of course.


I'm probably in a minority with the voice thing. I'd be happy for them to pick one of the character creation ones ('cocky', 'violent', 'mystical', etc) and give the Warden one or two neutral lines. But I think the appearance thing is important, especially with the non-humans.

To be honest, no matter how Bioware went about it, there would probably be a lot of complaining. I'd be happy to settle for just *hearing* about my Warden and Hawke. I got warm fuzzy feelings whenever the Dalish mentioned my Mahariel, or the Hawkes referenced Amell. Too bad my Surana and other origins didn't get as many mentions.

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TheLittleBird wrote...

This is how I picture my Warden's death

And here lies the problem. This is how you picture your Warden's death. The last thing I want is my Wardens' death being pulled from another person's canon - not even the writers', because then they'd just become some Wardens, not my Wardens. And I don't give a nug's tail about "some" Warden's death.

Also I do have several Wardens, very different from each others, I don't want this difference annihilated by the same set death, with all of them merrily diving into a sea of Darkspawn because The Calling Dictates. Some are cowards, some are rebels, some don't care and one (my bestest, favorite, canon one) is a pragmatist who'd probably rather start a research cell with Avernus and Sylvius's Warden. He's also an archer, so, so much for Darkspawn falling at his feet ;)

Frankly, a simple "neutral" cameo would be extremely difficult to pull off to everyone's - or even the majority's - satisfaction; something as important and significative as a death scene would be impossible.

As for the voice question, I'd love to hear my Wardens speak. In fact, I already have. Many times (but still, I'd love to hear them in a real dialogue).

Modifié par Sutekh, 15 février 2013 - 09:24 .