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[duckley]

Knight of Dane wrote...

I don't want bioware to conclude my warden.

I don't need them to conclude my warden.

I agree. 
Although I wouldnt mind some info about the Wardens disappearance or Hawkes for that matter. If my warden appeared I would prefer he had a voice.

[Nefla]

I wouldn't mind a Hawke cameo, but I would hate a warden cameo! Most of my wardens were non-humans so the elven wardens would now look like anorexic diseased goats with lightbulb heads and my female dwarf wardens would no longer exist because female dwarves have become extinct.

[ravnkl0]

Personally I want a Warden/Hawke Cameo. Hawke because that's easy. Warden because I want to hear her speak and see her interact with others. I don't give a damn who the voice actor is, as long as they do a good job delivering her lines. It would be great if we could customize the Warden Cameo, I'm all for spending extra time in the CC. But at the same time people are right, we're probably only going to get references.

Modifié par ravnkl0, 16 février 2013 - 05:48 .

[Sacred_Fantasy]

TheLittleBird wrote...

XX-Pyro wrote...

My opinion remains that each protagonist stays in their respective game. So I'd have to disagree with you OP.

That's perfectly fine, and probably the most likely situation. It would be cool to see my older characters return, though, to make a player's Dragon Age 3 or Beyond-experience more personal in a way.

It would be cool to see my warden returns IF and only IF, he is still the same person I created before. A blank slate, emotionless and expressionless with dead looking eyes character. Can BioWare do that? I don't think so. A cameo suppose to represent everyone's warden. Unfortunely, each and everyone's wardens is unique individuals, you can't simply draft them into a single generic neutral character. 

To me, BioWare generic cinematic actors as shown by both Hawke and Sheppard is not someone who I can properly recognized as my character. My character does not express his body language, facial emotion etc.. the same way as Hawke or Sheppard or Alistair or any other characters BioWare ever created. And I will not tolerate my character's acting because it's my roleplay and my gameplay. I do not want anyone to force their characters into my roleplay. Otherwise, BioWare should just make fixed protagonist like Geralt. I'm sure a lot of feminist guy like Gaider would appreciate being forced to accept the role of womanizer Geralt who view every female in the game as sex object. That's what fixed protagonist are. A forced character for player.  Some people just love this kind of protagonist because they're as alive and as responsive as Jo Wyat or Nicholas Boulton or Mark Meer. I'm not this kind of people. I belong to those group of people who enjoy creating our own character, either in our head or toolset or creation kit.

Hawke, on the other hand, is less problematic to return as cameo. I don't care. I just hope, if he returns, his voice and personality changed ( like Merril and Anders ) and use default Hawke appearance instead. I would love to see the result of it in DA 3. Maybe then some people would accept the truth that Hawke is never meant to be their character. 

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 16 février 2013 - 10:32 .

[KiwiQuiche]

I do NOT want to see my Warden Queen or Hawke in DAI. If there is a cameo, I would prefer it was verbal, or at least have the LI/friend of the PC speak to the player in DAI. For me it would be Alistair and Merril, who are my canon romances.

I'm still cranky at finding out my Warden abandoned her throne and her husband at the end of DA2 to ****** off somewhere.

Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 16 février 2013 - 10:33 .

[sarakirrer]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

I do NOT want to see my Warden Queen or Hawke in DAI. If there is a cameo, I would prefer it was verbal, or at least have the LI/friend of the PC speak to the player in DAI. For me it would be Alistair and Merril, who are my canon romances.

I'm still cranky at finding out my Warden abandoned her throne and her husband at the end of DA2 to ****** off somewhere.

This. So much this. I find it hard to headcanon what my Warden's doing throughout and after DA2 because apparently canon's decided Warden just up and leaves her husband and responsibilities to run off and do... Something. I mean, in MY headcanon, my Warden would STILL be ruling Ferelden.

Honestly, though, it sort of makes me WANT the cameo by Warden and/or Hawke. I'd at least like to know... Wtf they're both off doing that's so much more important than ruling Ferelden and Kirkwall. I like to install my player characters in seats of power, so I don't like hearing they've screwed the pooch and abandoned all my--ahem, I mean, "their" hard work. <_<

[KiwiQuiche]

sarakirrer wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

I do NOT want to see my Warden Queen or Hawke in DAI. If there is a cameo, I would prefer it was verbal, or at least have the LI/friend of the PC speak to the player in DAI. For me it would be Alistair and Merril, who are my canon romances.

I'm still cranky at finding out my Warden abandoned her throne and her husband at the end of DA2 to ****** off somewhere.

This. So much this. I find it hard to headcanon what my Warden's doing throughout and after DA2 because apparently canon's decided Warden just up and leaves her husband and responsibilities to run off and do... Something. I mean, in MY headcanon, my Warden would STILL be ruling Ferelden.

Honestly, though, it sort of makes me WANT the cameo by Warden and/or Hawke. I'd at least like to know... Wtf they're both off doing that's so much more important than ruling Ferelden and Kirkwall. I like to install my player characters in seats of power, so I don't like hearing they've screwed the pooch and abandoned all my--ahem, I mean, "their" hard work. <_<

Indeed, especially since Fereldan is in such a state after the Blight and Civil War, with Orlais breathing down it's neck, I find it hard to believe she would leave Alistair to deal with it alone.

I would't mind a cameo of Alistair, maybe, I dunno, explaining his wife is off dealing with marauding Abominations of loony Templars at the moment while he has to deal with the politics lol. I wouldn't mind that XD

[sarakirrer]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Indeed, especially since Fereldan is in such a state after the Blight and Civil War, with Orlais breathing down it's neck, I find it hard to believe she would leave Alistair to deal with it alone.

I would't mind a cameo of Alistair, maybe, I dunno, explaining his wife is off dealing with marauding Abominations of loony Templars at the moment while he has to deal with the politics lol. I wouldn't mind that XD

Yes, I mean, she loves Alistair, but she has no illusions about how well he'd do running a country all by his lonesome.

I'd also deal with a cameo of my Warden/Hawke's love interest in lieu of them specifically. Even though they're probably doomed to get hit with the ugly stick in DA:I like Alistair and Zevran did in their transition to DA2, it wasn't immersion-breaking enough that I didn't enjoy Alistair talking about going back to his "ball and chain."  I'd appreciate a similar mention in DA:I.

[KiwiQuiche]

sarakirrer wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Indeed, especially since Fereldan is in such a state after the Blight and Civil War, with Orlais breathing down it's neck, I find it hard to believe she would leave Alistair to deal with it alone.

I would't mind a cameo of Alistair, maybe, I dunno, explaining his wife is off dealing with marauding Abominations of loony Templars at the moment while he has to deal with the politics lol. I wouldn't mind that XD

Yes, I mean, she loves Alistair, but she has no illusions about how well he'd do running a country all by his lonesome.

I'd also deal with a cameo of my Warden/Hawke's love interest in lieu of them specifically. Even though they're probably doomed to get hit with the ugly stick in DA:I like Alistair and Zevran did in their transition to DA2, it wasn't immersion-breaking enough that I didn't enjoy Alistair talking about going back to his "ball and chain."  I'd appreciate a similar mention in DA:I.

"Just because she killed an Archdemon doesn't mean I'm afraid of her."
"You keep telling yourself that, your majesty."

[Eleinehmm]

I don't think they have enough resources to pull it off. It's much better not to meet them then to meet some totally not your hawke/warden character, just for the sake of them being there. It’s too easy to break the continuity of the gameworld even more then they already did.

[Sifr]

While I'd like to see a small cameo from Hawke doing something awesome, I honestly don't see why the Warden should even come back?

For instance, I know exactly what my Mage Warden's been doing in the decade since Witch Hunt. They're on the other side of the Eluvian, raising the Old God Baby with Morrigan and attempting to curb some of her more negative qualities from rubbing off on the kid...

The only way I  can imagine a Female Noble cameo working is if we go with the idea that she's doing something for the Wardens that's required her to leave Alistair in the dark. I can imagine the Wardens have their neutrality stretched far enough with Alistair being King, so it makes sense that his consort and (former?) Warden-Commander would be a logical choice...

But, as those examples prove, trying to bring them back would require a lot of hassle to work around the logistics of what everyone's headcanon Warden is doing over the decade that's taken place!

Hence, I say once again, why do we need to see the Warden?

Modifié par Sifr1449, 16 février 2013 - 11:54 .

[nightscrawl]

I don't really have a desire to see either again, but I don't feel strongly about it one way or the other. I would prefer to not see them, and just hear about them second-hand: perhaps the Seekers found what they were seeking?

And since I feel obligated to post this in every thread of this type...

From PAX East...

Q: Hypothetically, of course, in the hypothetical Dragon Age III, let's say we have a hypothetical cameo from say, the Hero of Ferelden. Hypothetically, would he or she be voice acted, or would he or she just show up and just kind of be there --

A David: Oh, you mean the Warden?

Q: Yes, the Warden.

A David: If the Warden showed up, would the Warden be voice acted? (David and Mike look at each other, laughs from audience) OK, if, if, if we... IF, if we put your Warden in the game we would have to take into account the fact that technology has changed, the look of the game has changed, we have voiced characters -- there are no silent characters in the game. I think ideally, we would want to throw that to you as a choice, how you would like that presented. (looks at Mike) Is that fair?

A Mike: I think so, yeah. I think the under current of what Dave's saying is that we all kind of go whoo (exhale), is, to be quite frank, we'd have to do that so right. Because, again, it's your character, and that really is something that we'd want to put as much of that agency ON YOU, to own -- you know, how they would look and/or sound even -- as we could. And I think that would be the only way to make that character do a cameo. And the really the question is: is the cameo worth the potential disconnect? I don't know. I think it would really depend on the overall story.

A David: We'd wanna do it right, or not at all.

A Mike: Yeah. That'd be basically it.

[nightscrawl]

Sifr1449 wrote...

For instance, I know exactly what my Mage Warden's been doing in the decade since Witch Hunt. They're on the other side of the Eluvian, raising the Old God Baby with Morrigan and attempting to curb some of her more negative qualities from rubbing off on the kid...

This is great head canon and all, but what are you going to do if they ever decide to bring in the OGB as a plot device and leave your Warden out of it altogether?

[Nonoru]

There would be graphic issues. Not even taking in consideration if face data could be retrieved through import.

[GuitarShredUK]

I would certainly find it interesting in DAIII to see my Warden and Hawke again, even as cameos. Although I do have a slight problem...I have this trend where I base the look/feel of characters that I use for major (first) playthroughs in RPGs on myself; to put myself "in" the game.

Now...to see both a Warden King and Hawke as the Champion or ex-Champion, both looking roughly like myself would be a little weird to put it mildly. It would still be cool though, I guess.

[TheLittleBird]

nightscrawl wrote...

I don't really have a desire to see either again, but I don't feel strongly about it one way or the other. I would prefer to not see them, and just hear about them second-hand: perhaps the Seekers found what they were seeking?

And since I feel obligated to post this in every thread of this type...

From PAX East...

Q: Hypothetically, of course, in the hypothetical Dragon Age III, let's say we have a hypothetical cameo from say, the Hero of Ferelden. Hypothetically, would he or she be voice acted, or would he or she just show up and just kind of be there --

A David: Oh, you mean the Warden?

Q: Yes, the Warden.

A David: If the Warden showed up, would the Warden be voice acted? (David and Mike look at each other, laughs from audience) OK, if, if, if we... IF, if we put your Warden in the game we would have to take into account the fact that technology has changed, the look of the game has changed, we have voiced characters -- there are no silent characters in the game. I think ideally, we would want to throw that to you as a choice, how you would like that presented. (looks at Mike) Is that fair?

A Mike: I think so, yeah. I think the under current of what Dave's saying is that we all kind of go whoo (exhale), is, to be quite frank, we'd have to do that so right. Because, again, it's your character, and that really is something that we'd want to put as much of that agency ON YOU, to own -- you know, how they would look and/or sound even -- as we could. And I think that would be the only way to make that character do a cameo. And the really the question is: is the cameo worth the potential disconnect? I don't know. I think it would really depend on the overall story.

A David: We'd wanna do it right, or not at all.

A Mike: Yeah. That'd be basically it.

Yes, that's what I saw as well, and that's what I'd like to see: a choice.

[ShawDawg94]

I don't know if I'd want my warden to actually appear, but I would like to learn about his disappearance or what he has been up to. I don't believe one of the most powerful and influential people in Thedas would just sit around and twiddle his thumbs.

[Sifr]

nightscrawl wrote...

Sifr1449 wrote...

For instance, I know exactly what my Mage Warden's been doing in the decade since Witch Hunt. They're on the other side of the Eluvian, raising the Old God Baby with Morrigan and attempting to curb some of her more negative qualities from rubbing off on the kid...

This is great head canon and all, but what are you going to do if they ever decide to bring in the OGB as a plot device and leave your Warden out of it altogether?

Well it's been about a decade, so should we ever see the OGB appear in future games, they'd likely be in their teens, so the Warden's already had a good few years to influence them, for good or bad?

Now having the OGB as a plot character or party member would be far more interesting...

[LTD]

Warden:
Fondly remembered Hero of Ferelden who valiantly gave his life dying for King and Country. I don't mind seeing a statue of him!! Or visiting his grave perhaps.

Hawke:
Dragon Age 2 doesn't exist in same way two of the three Matrix movies, Terminators 3&4, Alien 4, David Bowie's late 80's albums don't exist. Most suitable form of cameo for Hawke or anything else Dragon Age 2 related is a blank black screen appearing for 0.5 secs  right before a loading screen.

Modifié par LTD, 16 février 2013 - 05:19 .

[nightscrawl]

LTD wrote...

Warden:
Fondly remembered Hero of Ferelden who valiantly gave his life dying for King and Country. I don't mind seeing a statue of him!! Or visiting his grave perhaps.

Now this is something I would like to have, even if I won't be seeing it in my own games. If you import (or checklist/whatever) an Ultimate Sacrifice Warden, and assuming we go to either Weisshaupt or Ferelden, there should be some sort of memorial or tomb. This would be totally awesome. It could be a part of the dynamic scenery, similar to the 'Hawke defeats Arishok' statue at the docks in Kirkwall in Act 3. If you import an US there is a statue, if you don't it's a tree or something.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 16 février 2013 - 06:00 .

[NRieh]

I had a thread few months ago, where we were trying to figure out whether any good ways to make them appear exist...

Warden has zero chances to appear as recognizable "true" self. How so? Can not be recognized by voice, can not be recognized by class or race and there is no way you can import your face. They will never go for any kind of char-import tool for the sake of cameo Warden.

But few first tweets said that we "may meet" them. There are few possibilities to deal with it.

Most obvious one- "head in a bucket" - you meet something in a weird costume that claims to be your warden, but no face seen. But even male-female variations for each race makes 6 models ( without respecting chosen class) - so it's very unlikely to happen.

Another way out - proper cut scenes, something like ME did with Tali (where Shepard sees her face, but player - does not). Could also limit models to one per race (if costume is done Revan-style)

Hawke needs only two models and Hawke has 2 set voices. Chances to keep face little to none, though.

Another issue with face - keep in mind the timeline. There's no way Warden looks same as 10++ years ago. And Hawke must have changed - which means that "import" should not only transfer original headmorph, but also tweak it to look older. As I said - not going to happen for sake of short cameo.

There are two possible ways that may allow them to discard face (and even race) totally, but still use old characters - Fade and...Masquerade Ball. Both may allow people look hell different, and still do things and talk.

If someone asked me - I'd be fine without any kind of reusing ex-PCs. Actually - I'd prefer leaving those to headcanons. But if BW are going to do so anyway - it's a VERY good idea to grab name variable from previous import. That would make it feel real personal, even if your DA3 PC will talk to a default model wearing bucket on a head or someone invisible behind the curtain. If you could only see your very specific PC names in DA3... Yes, I know no one can say it - but no one prevents characters from writing it ( in letters, books, messages) and no one prevents us from seeing it written in subs.

Modifié par Nrieh, 16 février 2013 - 06:36 .

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

I'm fine with the fates of Hawke and the Warden forever after being a combination of myth and rumour; stories passed around in taverns by travelers and bards. I don't need their stories concluded or cameo appearances.

Hopefully with Inquisition, BioWare has found an engine and visual style they want to stick with for the next few games. If this allows for our Player Character from DA3 to make an appearance which is more than glorified cameo in DA4 (basically popping in to say hello, maybe provide a quest)- to actually have some involvement in the main plot or in an important secondary plot(or even in a DLC adventure or major expansion) then I'm all for it.

As much as I love Dragon Age, I find it pales in comparison to Mass Effect, which in my mind has always been held together by a much more consistent vision of what its creators wanted. I felt the devs mostly knew what they were going for. They improved certain things in ME2, cut out others, but overall it felt a lot more uniform than Dragon Age 2 did when compared to Origins.

Modifié par The Teryn of Whatever, 16 février 2013 - 07:02 .

[TheLittleBird]

Calob wrote...

 Also, Bioware should should make it where the DA3 takes the Warden's apperance and Hawke's apperance from your save files and import it into the game. They should even let us edit them to make them look better on the new engine.

This seems like a great idea: Bioware could import the Warden, which comes ofcourse from a different engine. I'm sure there's some coding to keep the model: when that's done, ofcourse he/she will look different from in the first game. Give the players a little CC to make them look even better. I like this idea, and I'm going to put it onto the topic's main page