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[liggy002]

   A lot of people tell me not to get my hopes up about this latest DLC and I agree that I'm not going to get my hopes up.  However, you should bear in mind that you could very well be wrong about this latest DLC and what it has to offer.  Even Priestly, if you believe what he says, tells us that the DLC has grown by taking fan feed back into account.

  If that's anything to go by then perhaps we will see the Mako again.  Perhaps Harbinger and the Collectors will return and we will see more meaningful choices with a few more ME2 squad mate appearences.  And who knows...maybe somewhere down the line they will re do priority:Earth or even Mass Effect 3 itself.

  Why don't you flush out your negativity and think positive for once?  Perhaps with Leviathan and Omega they already had that DLC planned out and so there was no time to address the feedback but now with this DLC they do.

   I know I'm likely to see responses such as "Don't get your hopes up" or "Have you seen Leviathan and Omega?"  Well, have you considered asking yourself the question "What if I am wrong?"   Yes, I understand that they have hyped ME3 up and we were mislead into thinking the game was more than it is.  Still, I think that Bioware still understands the importance of fan feed back.

  It's just unfortunate that they are not doing anything else with the ending unless that is misinformation as well, but I don't think so.  Again, I'm not getting my hopes up, but I'm just saying that you could be wrong.   I do find it peculiar that they are keeping this DLC tightly under wraps and are mum about it.

Modifié par liggy002, 15 février 2013 - 07:40 .

[Brhino]

If the DLC meets our expectations (whatever they are) but does not exceed them, then that's okay.

If we expect the DLC to be average or worse, and it turns out to be outstanding, we'll be very happy. That's good.

But if we expect great things from the DLC and it falls short, we will be pissed off again, and we'll rage on the forums again, and it'll be a bad scene in general.

Thus, tempering expectations increases the chances of being really happy and decreases the chances of being really mad. Sounds like a good plan to me.

[Kel Riever]

I would LOVE to be wrong. I don't consider being wrong if something is fixed to be a problem.

Modifié par Kel Riever, 15 février 2013 - 07:41 .

[Clayless]

Haven't they said they're not changing the endings like a million times now?

Inb4 "they lied about previous DLC's" with no sources.

Edit:

Or if this thread is about people who hate ME3 liking this new DLC? Spoiler alert:

They wont.

Modifié par Robosexual, 15 février 2013 - 07:43 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

is this one of those "I'll not expect anything of the upcoming DLC but at the same time I'll expect something!" threads?

[Kabooooom]

Sorry liggy, but if I were a betting man I would put money on people making a 'wtf Bioware I can't believe there was no Harbinger in this dlc you never listen to us!' thread in...oh...about a months time.

[liggy002]

pirate1802 wrote...

is this one of those "I'll not expect anything of the upcoming DLC but at the same time I'll expect something!" threads?

No, this is one of those "I'm not going to expect much so as to not be let down again but I do have a hunch that they are listening to more of the feedback so I hope to be pleasantly surprised." threads.

[liggy002]

Kabooooom wrote...

Sorry liggy, but if I were a betting man I would put money on people making a 'wtf Bioware I can't believe there was no Harbinger in this dlc you never listen to us!' thread in...oh...about a months time.

   Yes, but I fail to see why you think that they aren't going to use Harbinger at all.  They never out right stated that they weren't doing that, did they?   Also, I think that would be a very bad business decision.  Enough people are upset about the endings, not having Harbinger in there would only serve to further upset yet another portion of the fanbase.

  It's just not a smart move.... of course, you could be right but I REALLY hope that you are wrong.

Modifié par liggy002, 15 février 2013 - 07:49 .

[Kabooooom]

I just used Harbinger as an example of something that a portion of the fan base wants but probably won't get. They can't please everyone after all. I'm expecting no harbinger, no mako, no ending changes. What it will probably be is a self contained story that exposes more lore about the reapers, crucible, or keepers.

Although we MAY get a hub world. I only say that, when before I wouldn't, because of how many people were pissed that Omega wasn't added as one.

[FAButzke]

I will lick my own balls if I'm wrong. In the dark. Without using my hands. Backwards.

[Jonata]

I fail to see what relevance-

WE, IN THE NIGHT

WE ARE LOOKING FOR SOME FUN!

[Clayless]

liggy002 wrote...

No, this is one of those "I'm not going to expect much so as to not be let down again but I do have a hunch that they are listening to more of the feedback so I hope to be pleasantly surprised." threads.

Thing is most people think "listening to feedback" = exactly what they want.

Some assumptions I'm going to make about that statement, the knowledge that Joker and Kaidan (and therefore most likely all your other ME3 crew) recorded lines, and the level of writers involved in it:

Lots of people complained about the combat in relation to story in Omega. I'm assuming there's going to be more story in relation to combat in this next DLC.

I also assume that this DLC will impact the story more. Not massively obviously, it's still DLC and I'm not even sure if Microsoft will allow them to do things like that, but maybe on the scale of something like a pre-ending Broken Steel or Arrival or LotSB.

There you go. That would be listening to feedback for example, it's just likely that most people would ignore something like that, just like they ignored all the feedback Omega incorporated.

[liggy002]

Kabooooom wrote...

I just used Harbinger as an example of something that a portion of the fan base wants but probably won't get. They can't please everyone after all. I'm expecting no harbinger, no mako, no ending changes. What it will probably be is a self contained story that exposes more lore about the reapers, crucible, or keepers.

Although we MAY get a hub world. I only say that, when before I wouldn't, because of how many people were pissed that Omega wasn't added as one.

   And a ton of people were pissed that Harbinger didn't have a bigger role... I don't see how a hub is any more relevant than that complaint especially since Arrival builds him up for nothing.  Even ME3 tells us that Harbinger speaks of us... for what?  All so that it could lead up to one of the most anticlimactic moments in gaming history?  It's not even about them not pleasing everyone, I already know that... still, they should make more of an effort to please more people.  A Harbinger conversation and confrontation would make for more of a nice touch and isn't too difficult to add in my opinion.

Modifié par liggy002, 15 février 2013 - 08:07 .

[alsonamedbort]

I completely get what you're saying, but in another thread you were just commenting about how ME3 should be thrown in the trash.

[liggy002]

Robosexual wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

No, this is one of those "I'm not going to expect much so as to not be let down again but I do have a hunch that they are listening to more of the feedback so I hope to be pleasantly surprised." threads.

Thing is most people think "listening to feedback" = exactly what they want.

Some assumptions I'm going to make about that statement, the knowledge that Joker and Kaidan (and therefore most likely all your other ME3 crew) recorded lines, and the level of writers involved in it:

Lots of people complained about the combat in relation to story in Omega. I'm assuming there's going to be more story in relation to combat in this next DLC.

I also assume that this DLC will impact the story more. Not massively obviously, it's still DLC and I'm not even sure if Microsoft will allow them to do things like that, but maybe on the scale of something like a pre-ending Broken Steel or Arrival or LotSB.

There you go. That would be listening to feedback for example, it's just likely that most people would ignore something like that, just like they ignored all the feedback Omega incorporated.

Placing exactly what I want aside, this is what doesn't make sense to me:

1. Building up Harbinger through all of ME2 and in Arrival and even at Rannoch yet you do almost nothing with   that character.

2. Releasing a DLC titled "Retaliation" implying that Harbinger and his Collectors are out for revenge.

3.  You're Bioware and you know that a lot of your fans love this character.... it makes absolutely no sense to me that they wouldn't use him again.   Also, they never flat out denied using that character.  They denied  more ending DLC so why wouldn't they deny using Harbinger if they weren't going to use him again.

4. On Priority: Earth, Shepard reacts oddly to Anderson's news based on the way he says "Harbinger?" as if he is terrified.  Yet, Shepard has never been known to show that kind of fear before.  It's as if it makes him uneasy just thinking about it.

5.  Foreboding music of doom (I think it was a sampling of Sovereign's soundtrack) plays at the beam run as if to foreshadow a conflict with the Reaper.  Yet it falls flat.... opportunity to leave it out and sell it later as DLC?  It's a possibility.


   As I said, I'm not getting my hopes up but I think it MIGHT be possible that Harbinger will see a return (and possibly the Collectors) based on the above information.   Maybe I'm wrong, who knows.

Modifié par liggy002, 15 février 2013 - 08:16 .

[liggy002]

alsonamedbort wrote...

I completely get what you're saying, but in another thread you were just commenting about how ME3 should be thrown in the trash.

   I made that comment on the contigency that the DLC falls flat of expectation which is what I think it will do, based on past experience.  Also, I don't want to get overly elated so as to be disappointed.  I also stated that I was holding on to my copy, didn't I? 

  Also, in truth, I'm not sure what to make of Bioware at the moment.  I'm not sure if the DLC will address the complaints that I would like to see addressed.

Modifié par liggy002, 15 février 2013 - 08:22 .

[Kabooooom]

liggy002 wrote...

   And a ton of people were pissed that Harbinger didn't have a bigger role... I don't see how a hub is any more relevant than that complaint especially since Arrival builds him up for nothing.  Even ME3 tells us that Harbinger speaks of us... for what?  All so that it could lead up to one of the most anticlimactic moments in gaming history?  It's not even about them not pleasing everyone, I already know that... still, they should make more of an effort to please more people.  A Harbinger conversation and confrontation would make for more of a nice touch and isn't too difficult to add in my opinion.

I wouldn't say a ton, mostly just the people in your harbinger threads. Far more hated harbinger, which is why they removed him. Ironically, they listened to feedback about Harbinger. I too would like him in the dlc for no other reason than plot continuity, and while it may not be 'hard' to do, it would require writing the plot to accommodate (otherwise it would feel forced with Harby showing up out of the blue to troll you).

And the dlc is basically done. If the plot doesn't revolve around Harbinger than I am quite positive that he won't be in it.

[Jadebaby]

or maybe it will be IT and the reason they outlawed discussion on it is so when it does drop BioWare can be like "see, no one knew it was coming."

[Eterna]

Jadebaby wrote...

or maybe it will be IT and the reason they outlawed discussion on it is so when it does drop BioWare can be like "see, no one knew it was coming."

Don't give Liggy any ideas. 

[liggy002]

Jadebaby wrote...

or maybe it will be IT and the reason they outlawed discussion on it is so when it does drop BioWare can be like "see, no one knew it was coming."

Or the puzzle theory 

[Clayless]

I would like Harbinger to appear that is true. I don't think it would even be that hard, they could just make it so he doesn't die at the end of the DLC so he still shows up, but I don't think he will appear in this DLC and I'm not going to expect him to. Apparently people hated him in ME2 unfortunately.

[Jadebaby]

liggy002 wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

or maybe it will be IT and the reason they outlawed discussion on it is so when it does drop BioWare can be like "see, no one knew it was coming."

Or the puzzle theory 

IT had more supporters and a wider audience, plus this next dlc looks more r&r character focused, not sure PT fits that description.

[Abraham_uk]

 The next DLC:

I recon it will be 6 half hour co-operative missions involving the characters from multiplayer plus a few additions.
Some new weapons.


That's all.

No vehicles.
Very little actual story.
No decisions.
At best a couple of references to stuff that happened in single player campaign.
Won't expand, change, alter, improve the endings.

Every single thing you expect from this DLC is NOT going to happen.


However. If you're one of those people who feels that there should be more to multiplayer than just hoard mode, these new multiplayer missions might satisify you.

But don't expect more single player campaign.

We had From Ashes (which was followed by fan rage)
We had Extended Cut (which was followed by fan rage)
We had Leviathan DLC (which was followed by fan rage)
We had Omega DLC (which was followed by fan rage)
We had weapon and alternate appearance packs (that few people care about)

So no! Hand on heart, there will be no more single player campaign related DLC for Mass Effect 3.
Hardcore fans are the individuals who are likely to purchasse single player DLC.
The hardcore fans are feeling angry and betrayed so I can guarantee Bioware WILL MAKE A FINANCIAL LOSS!

[Abraham_uk]

Furthermore I don't think the Collectors or Harbinger will be making an appearance.

That is just my gut instinct.