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[Abraham_uk]

Bioware staff don't want to say too much about the next DLC.
What ever they intend to put into DLC may get cut out.
So asking what to expect before a product is finished, is pointless.


You can however do what I did earlier on this thread.
Place a long post speculations. That is always fun.
If you take a look at (my post LONG on page 1) you'd realise how much fun I had speculating.

Modifié par Abraham_uk, 16 février 2013 - 07:12 .

[saracen16]

Abraham_uk wrote...

We had From Ashes (which was followed by fan rage)
We had Extended Cut (which was followed by fan rage)
We had Leviathan DLC (which was followed by fan rage)
We had Omega DLC (which was followed by fan rage)
We had weapon and alternate appearance packs (that few people care about)

Fans will always be enraged. Nevertheless, as a fan, I liked all pieces of DLC that were doled out to us so far, in particular Leviathan. Given that this new DLC will involve ALL writers, this means that there will be single player DLC with a decent story like that of Leviathan, so don't give up hope.

[ofarrell]

I know that Bioware will do their best on this upcoming DLC. I hope that people don't just pout about it for no legitimate reason.

[Nykara]

zaalbar76 wrote...

I get the feeling this next, (and possibly last) DLC will be a make or break for many of the fans here.

That is probably the truth really. I am just holding out to see what it is then I will either leave bioware behind for good or keep playing their games forever!  No point really in 'raging' over what I already expect. I'll just go play the elder scrolls games

[OdanUrr]

liggy002 wrote...

   A lot of people tell me not to get my hopes up about this latest DLC and I agree that I'm not going to get my hopes up.  However, you should bear in mind that you could very well be wrong about this latest DLC and what it has to offer.  Even Priestly, if you believe what he says, tells us that the DLC has grown by taking fan feed back into account.

  If that's anything to go by then perhaps we will see the Mako again.  Perhaps Harbinger and the Collectors will return and we will see more meaningful choices with a few more ME2 squad mate appearences.  And who knows...maybe somewhere down the line they will re do priority:Earth or even Mass Effect 3 itself.

  Why don't you flush out your negativity and think positive for once?  Perhaps with Leviathan and Omega they already had that DLC planned out and so there was no time to address the feedback but now with this DLC they do.

   I know I'm likely to see responses such as "Don't get your hopes up" or "Have you seen Leviathan and Omega?"  Well, have you considered asking yourself the question "What if I am wrong?"   Yes, I understand that they have hyped ME3 up and we were mislead into thinking the game was more than it is.  Still, I think that Bioware still understands the importance of fan feed back.

  It's just unfortunate that they are not doing anything else with the ending unless that is misinformation as well, but I don't think so.  Again, I'm not getting my hopes up, but I'm just saying that you could be wrong.   I do find it peculiar that they are keeping this DLC tightly under wraps and are mum about it.

I'm leaving this here. It has a few surprises you may or may not find to your liking.

[xMellowhype]

 The first thing you mention is the Mako? Really I want something that can improve the story not some lame vehicle. 

[OdanUrr]

xMellowhype wrote...

 The first thing you mention is the Mako? Really I want something that can improve the story not some lame vehicle. 

Nostalgia's a powerful thing.

[liggy002]

xMellowhype wrote...

 The first thing you mention is the Mako? Really I want something that can improve the story not some lame vehicle. 

  Yeah, you know, that awesome vehicle from Mass Effect 1, the thing that made exploration in hard to reach areas possible in Mass Effect 1 before the series was dumbed down for Call of Duty gamers.

[liggy002]

OdanUrr wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

   A lot of people tell me not to get my hopes up about this latest DLC and I agree that I'm not going to get my hopes up.  However, you should bear in mind that you could very well be wrong about this latest DLC and what it has to offer.  Even Priestly, if you believe what he says, tells us that the DLC has grown by taking fan feed back into account.

  If that's anything to go by then perhaps we will see the Mako again.  Perhaps Harbinger and the Collectors will return and we will see more meaningful choices with a few more ME2 squad mate appearences.  And who knows...maybe somewhere down the line they will re do priority:Earth or even Mass Effect 3 itself.

  Why don't you flush out your negativity and think positive for once?  Perhaps with Leviathan and Omega they already had that DLC planned out and so there was no time to address the feedback but now with this DLC they do.

   I know I'm likely to see responses such as "Don't get your hopes up" or "Have you seen Leviathan and Omega?"  Well, have you considered asking yourself the question "What if I am wrong?"   Yes, I understand that they have hyped ME3 up and we were mislead into thinking the game was more than it is.  Still, I think that Bioware still understands the importance of fan feed back.

  It's just unfortunate that they are not doing anything else with the ending unless that is misinformation as well, but I don't think so.  Again, I'm not getting my hopes up, but I'm just saying that you could be wrong.   I do find it peculiar that they are keeping this DLC tightly under wraps and are mum about it.

I'm leaving this here. It has a few surprises you may or may not find to your liking.

Yeah, that's an interesting synopsis you came up with.  I like it.

[Abraham_uk]

saracen16 wrote...

Abraham_uk wrote...

We had From Ashes (which was followed by fan rage)
We had Extended Cut (which was followed by fan rage)
We had Leviathan DLC (which was followed by fan rage)
We had Omega DLC (which was followed by fan rage)
We had weapon and alternate appearance packs (that few people care about)

Fans will always be enraged. Nevertheless, as a fan, I liked all pieces of DLC that were doled out to us so far, in particular Leviathan. Given that this new DLC will involve ALL writers, this means that there will be single player DLC with a decent story like that of Leviathan, so don't give up hope.

I actually liked Mass Effect 3 a lot. I liked playing all of the DLC so far.

I was making a statement about Bioware fans.
Would you agree with me that Bioware Social Network is an accurate representation on what the majority of Bioware fans think about the company?

Would you agree that the hatred of Mass Effect 3 is how the majority of people who played the game feel?
I certainly feel like I in a 1% category when I defend Mass Effect 3 inspite of it's many flaws.


I recon that I will like the next DLC a lot. But I don't feel it will live up to expectations of the BSN community.

Modifié par Abraham_uk, 17 février 2013 - 01:29 .

[chemiclord]

Abraham_uk wrote...

I was making a statement about Bioware fans.
Would you agree with me that Bioware Social Network is an accurate representation on what the majority of Bioware fans think about the company?

Would you agree that the hatred of Mass Effect 3 is how the majority of people who played the game feel?
I certainly feel like I in a 1% category when I defend Mass Effect 3 inspite of it's many flaws.

There's absolutely NO way of knowing that for certain.  Maybe it is... maybe it isn't.

The only people who are claiming one way or another are the bitter fans who feel personally invested in convincing everyone they are the majority opinion... and Bioware who claim they have the numbers (yet aren't keen on sharing them).

Why should it matter, to you, whether your opinion is the majority or not, though?  If you like it, you like it.  If you hate it, you hate it... and your opinion is just as valid as any other person's.  As long as you are rational and present reasons for WHY you like or dislike it... your opinion is not inherently invalid.

[Reth Shepherd]

Well, every single poll taken over the past 11 months has had ending likers in the extreme minority. (As little as 2% in some, with another 6% saying that they were ok with the ending but wanted at least some alterations made.) This includes polls on sites such as IGN, Facebook, and the Towards A Concensus Survey; not just the BSN. ME3's price has dropped like a rock, while older games are still selling at full price. (I can purchase ME3 on Gamestop for $20, only $5 more than the Omega DLC. Skyrim is $60.) Articles about ME3 on gaming sites have comments heavily loaded towards the negative, with a few rare positives sprinkled here and there. Amazon's ME3 rating hangs roughly around the 3/5 stars mark, while ME1 and ME2 tend towards 4.5/5.

Short of taking a poll of everyone on earth, it's impossible to be sure who is truly in the majority. But what we can see does tend to hint that dislikers are in the lead.

(Off topic: saracen16, your choice of sigs confuses me. Are you pro- or anti- ending? Your top one seems to suggest a contempt of Green, yet your bottom states that you liked the Starboy.)

[Archonsg]

I find it disconcerting that for some, they think that for us to not like the ending is to not like the game as a whole.

While there are those who do feel that the game is *bad* from start to finish, I just want to point out that for me at least, that's not the case.

I only have issues with the last portion of the game, nameky Priority Earth onwards, the end play, as opposed to just the ending.

While the rest of the game isn't fault free, those faults are easily overlooked and ignored simply because the portions they are in have more than enough good bits that the good far outshines the bad.

I still love the series.
Heck, I for the most part love ME3.
Just not so much how it ends.

[chemiclord]

Reth Shepherd wrote...

Well, every single poll taken over the past 11 months has had ending likers in the extreme minority. (As little as 2% in some, with another 6% saying that they were ok with the ending but wanted at least some alterations made.) This includes polls on sites such as IGN, Facebook, and the Towards A Concensus Survey; not just the BSN. ME3's price has dropped like a rock, while older games are still selling at full price. (I can purchase ME3 on Gamestop for $20, only $5 more than the Omega DLC. Skyrim is $60.) Articles about ME3 on gaming sites have comments heavily loaded towards the negative, with a few rare positives sprinkled here and there. Amazon's ME3 rating hangs roughly around the 3/5 stars mark, while ME1 and ME2 tend towards 4.5/5.

Short of taking a poll of everyone on earth, it's impossible to be sure who is truly in the majority. But what we can see does tend to hint that dislikers are in the lead.

(Off topic: saracen16, your choice of sigs confuses me. Are you pro- or anti- ending? Your top one seems to suggest a contempt of Green, yet your bottom states that you liked the Starboy.)

Except you neglect to mention that ME3 has earned fan-voted Game of the Year awards (at least one, as I recall), and frankly polls made here are heavily biased towards the negative.  They may, or may not, be indicitive of the whole player base, but in general the "hardcore" segment of the fanbase often isn't.

I suspect (though again, can't prove empirically outside of incidental data), that the "majority" of players figured, "Meh" after their first playthrough, and gave it little thought afterwards... assuming they even FINISHED the game in the first place (which as I understand half didn't... which was STILL more than the previous two).

Let's be perfectly honest here, the "majority" likely doesn't care all that much.  The ending being this source of rage (or even significant dislike) is probably limited to a very small segment of fans.

[Kabooooom]

Let's be perfectly honest here, the "majority" likely doesn't care all that much. The ending being this source of rage (or even significant dislike) is probably limited to a very small segment of fans.

Absolutely. Obviously, in fact. But as a developer, do you create games for the people who don't give half a crap about them, or do you create games for your devoted fanbase?

The answer to that is also obvious.

In ME3, they attempted to appeal to a wider audience. That's totally fine. Perfectly reasonable. Hell, I actually enjoyed the tweaks to the combat system and the addition of multiplayer to the game. I have no problem with that at all. But they didn't make ME3 for people that play the game halfway and don't finish it, they made it for people like us - who love Mass Effect.

So yes, the majority of devoted fans dislike the endings. The majority of players in general don't care. And the majority of players overall still like ME3 as a game.

I still have faith that Bioware will continue to make fantastic games, but I just think that this next dlc will be mediocre at best because they have sort of been winding down on Mass Effect since the release of Leviathan.

Modifié par Kabooooom, 17 février 2013 - 04:46 .

[spirosz]

Kabooooom wrote...

Let's be perfectly honest here, the "majority" likely doesn't care all that much. The ending being this source of rage (or even significant dislike) is probably limited to a very small segment of fans.

Absolutely. Obviously, in fact. But as a developer, do you create games for the people who don't give half a crap about them, or do you create games for your devoted fanbase?

The answer to that is also obvious.

In ME3, they attempted to appeal to a wider audience. That's totally fine. Perfectly reasonable. Hell, I actually enjoyed the tweaks to the combat system and the addition of multiplayer to the game. I have no problem with that at all. But they didn't make ME3 for people that play the game halfway and don't finish it, they made it for people like us - who love Mass Effect.

So yes, the majority of devoted fans dislike the endings. The majority of players in general don't care. And the majority of players overall still like ME3 as a game.

I still have faith that Bioware will continue to make fantastic games, but I just think that this next dlc will be mediocre at best because they have sort of been winding down on Mass Effect since the release of Leviathan.

That's a good way to put it, but being devoted is subjective, but I understand what you're saying.  Too be honest, I have no doubts that they'll continue to make great games, but I don't see myself purchasing future titles because of the past few years adding up to this.  

We'll see.  

[MegaSovereign]

YEA MAJORITY. MOB MENTALITY **** YEA MY OPINION IS WORTH MORE IF OTHERS ARE LIKE MINDED.

[spirosz]

The-Biotic-God wrote...

YEA MAJORITY. MOB MENTALITY **** YEA MY OPINION IS WORTH MORE IF OTHERS ARE LIKE MINDED.

THE HAS SPOKEN.  

[BleedingUranium]

OdanUrr wrote...

xMellowhype wrote...

 The first thing you mention is the Mako? Really I want something that can improve the story not some lame vehicle. 

Nostalgia's a powerful thing.

The Mako was boring as hell. The Hammerhead's way better!

[AlanC9]

Kabooooom wrote...

Absolutely. Obviously, in fact. But as a developer, do you create games for the people who don't give half a crap about them, or do you create games for your devoted fanbase?

The answer to that is also obvious.

 Perhaps, but deciding which things the larger public likes but the "devoted fanbase" does not like is not all that easy. Even assuming that there's any such thing as a single, devoted fanbase. Over the past four months or so, whenever someone here makes a post about something "the fans" want he invariably requests something that I'm either indifferent to or actively dislike. 

And how do you figure that the endings were an attempt to appeal to a larger market? It's not like gamers in general are known for wanting tough decisions and moral ambiguity in their games.

Modifié par AlanC9, 17 février 2013 - 05:59 .

[EnvyTB075]

I loved the Mako...and thats not even nostalgia talking, i finished the game again only a few weeks ago and it was great.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 17 février 2013 - 05:58 .

[chemiclord]

Kabooooom wrote...

Let's be perfectly honest here, the "majority" likely doesn't care all that much. The ending being this source of rage (or even significant dislike) is probably limited to a very small segment of fans.

Absolutely. Obviously, in fact. But as a developer, do you create games for the people who don't give half a crap about them, or do you create games for your devoted fanbase?

The answer to that is also obvious.

In ME3, they attempted to appeal to a wider audience. That's totally fine. Perfectly reasonable. Hell, I actually enjoyed the tweaks to the combat system and the addition of multiplayer to the game. I have no problem with that at all. But they didn't make ME3 for people that play the game halfway and don't finish it, they made it for people like us - who love Mass Effect.

So yes, the majority of devoted fans dislike the endings. The majority of players in general don't care. And the majority of players overall still like ME3 as a game.

I still have faith that Bioware will continue to make fantastic games, but I just think that this next dlc will be mediocre at best because they have sort of been winding down on Mass Effect since the release of Leviathan.

Actually... no... you DON'T make a game for your devoted fans.  You make a game that will sell the most... (i.e. appeals to the widest player base possible).  You always have to expand your fanbase, because your "devoted fans" are a constantly shrinking pool.  With each game, you lose "devoted fans" for one reason or another (sometimes legitimate, sometimes for absurd, reasons).  With each iteration of a series, your "devoted fanbase" WILL get smaller unless you expand to bring more "devoted fans" in.

This isn't exactly a secret... and it's hardly something unique to Mass Effect.  It's not a concidence that damn near ALL series start drifting to the "mainstream", "Call of Duty" audience.

[AlanC9]

BleedingUranium wrote...

The Mako was boring as hell. The Hammerhead's way better!

A bit overpowered, though.

[EnvyTB075]

chemiclord wrote...

Actually... no... you DON'T make a game for your devoted fans.  You make a game that will sell the most... (i.e. appeals to the widest player base possible).  You always have to expand your fanbase, because your "devoted fans" are a constantly shrinking pool.  With each game, you lose "devoted fans" for one reason or another (sometimes legitimate, sometimes for absurd, reasons).  With each iteration of a series, your "devoted fanbase" WILL get smaller unless you expand to bring more "devoted fans" in.

This isn't exactly a secret... and it's hardly something unique to Mass Effect.  It's not a concidence that damn near ALL series start drifting to the "mainstream", "Call of Duty" audience.

Chivalry would like a word with you

Also, DS3? Streamlined to appeal to a wider audience? Sold less than DS2 in the same one week timeframe. So much for that wider audience eh?

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 17 février 2013 - 06:01 .