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[jesuno]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Dude, lol. From YOUR link:

"Dissociative identity disorder (DID), known previously as multiple personality disorder, is not a real disorder. At least, that’s what you might’ve heard in the media, and even from some mental health professionals. DID is arguably one of the most misunderstood and controversial diagnoses in the current Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM). But it is a real and debilitating disorder that makes it difficult for people to function."

Come on man, read the whole article and I bolded something in your citation you seem to be missing. From the article, under "7 common DID myths":

"3. People with DID have distinct personalities. Instead
of distinct personalities, people with DID have different states. Brand
describes it as “having different ways of being themselves, which we
all do to some extent, but people with DID cannot always recall what
they do or say while in their different states.” And they may act quite
differently in different states.
Also, “There are many disorders that involve changes in state.” For
instance, people with borderline personality disorder may go “from
relatively calm to extremely angry with little provocation.” People with
panic
disorder may go “from an even emotional state to extremely panicked.”
“However, patients with those disorders recall what they do and say in
these different states, in contrast to the occasional amnesia that DID
patients experience.”
As Brand points out, in the media, there is a great fascination with
the self-states. But the self-states are not the biggest focus in
treatment. Therapists address clients’ severe depression, dissociation,
self-harm, painful memories and overwhelming feelings. They also help
individuals “modulate their impulses” in all their states. The “majority
[of treatment] is much more mundane than Hollywood would lead us to
expect,” Brand said."

If you read this, you will see that people do not create separate lives in their mind to live out if they do not like their own. They can, however as the articles states, missplace time large amounts of time, hence changing the name of the diagonsis. So while the plot of The Secret Window cannot happen in real life, it makes for a great story.

his mind HAD to be someone stronger. Did he not escape with Zach from Shinra, AFTER the experiments? Thus, he still had a very clear concept of Zach as a separate person, and he didn't really "need" to do anything--his troubles were essentially over.

Really, what was a broken Cloud supposed to do? Sure, he was away for now, but how would he have survived? His broken mind took the easy way out, and the easiest way was something he was something he was quite familiar with, and that was Zack's life. The easiest thing was about it was now that his body had been augmented along the lines of Soldier members, it was an easy sell for his broken mind.

I disagree. I found the interparty conflict in FF XIII to be incredibly interesting.

Now, it has been a while since I played 13 and the website that I wrote my issues with the game has changed forums, but from what I remember the "conflict" was terribly manufactured as: ****y ice queen supersoldier in hot pants suddenly has a change of heart because of a whiny little brat that only finds his courage suspiciously when it is time to battle in anything other than a cutscene. The fanbase cooing over SE not being able to make up its mind whether the feral child and women are sisters or lesbians. A douchebag in a bandana and trenchcoat fist pump the air and exclaiming he is a hero, even though he leads the most illogical rebellion since the ewoks?

[jesuno]

EntropicAngel wrote...

I don't know what "The Secret Window" is so I can't comment on that. Irregardless, the only point of interest here was that you said it did not exist. I wasn't trying to make a point on-topic with it at all, merely questioning your statement that it did not exist.

No, the point of interest here was your only argument was that it was illogical for Cloud take Zack's accomplishments as his own. I stated there are many fiction and fantasy stories that take illogical aspects of real life (like multiple personality disorders) and make good stories off of them. "Secret Window, Secret Garden" is a short story written by Stephen King that was later made into a movie featuring this. Let me ask, did you even read the parts I highlighted?

What was a healed Cloud who pretended he was Zach supposed to do? There really wasn't anything that he did that was...not possible for a non-SOLDIER, true or false. I don't see any benefit to him taking on Zach.

You mean what was a ex-member in the top tier of the most elite fighting force of the company that pretty much owned the planet had over just an ordinary soldier? I do not know, things like more offers as a mercenary, boasting to everyone that he accomplished all of his goals, especially to a girl from his hometown, being the topdog of every party he belongs to, etc. Are you saying that Zack did nothing that any run of the mill person did, or Cloud did things that any first class soldier did? Either way, I have to seriously ask if you played the game, and recently. You do not see any benefit, in my opinion, because you are looking at it through your eyes and Cloud's, you are not taking into account his backstory and his life and what he went through to make it seem like it was an easy jump to use Zack's accomplishment.

Lol. I don't feel the same, but I doubt we're going to have a productive discussion on this.

Probably, having a productive conversation about it would involve me playing the game again and remembering all of the finer points, but the only way that I would waste 80 more hours is if money was involved.

Modifié par jesuno, 23 février 2013 - 03:36 .

[legion999]

Guys...





Western RPGs are much better.

[Seifer006]

krul2k wrote...

last game i played think was FF 8 or 9 think it was 9, not looked at the company since or even really thought about them since this topic lol

FFX was last SquareSOFT FF. I suggest you play it.

the cons are:

• Tidus......he's annoying yes
• linear in terms of the past FF

but Auron is a great character. He made the game fun. Also, the music was very very good. Level design was Awesome (back then it was revolutionary)

yes the new ones suck but FFX was the last good one if you like FFIX and other classic FF games

[jesuno]

Seifer006 wrote...

FFX was last SquareSOFT FF. I suggest you play it.

the cons are:

• Tidus......he's annoying yes
• linear in terms of the past FF

but Auron is a great character. He made the game fun. Also, the music was very very good. Level design was Awesome (back then it was revolutionary)

yes the new ones suck but FFX was the last good one if you like FFIX and other classic FF games

I would say that the whole cast was pretty weak besides Auron. Especially Rikku.

Modifié par jesuno, 21 février 2013 - 12:31 .

[Seifer006]

jesuno wrote...
I would say that the whole cast was pretty weak besides Auron. Especially Rikku.

yeah man. I agree. Wakka was annoying. Rikku just never shut up...reminds me a lot of vanille from XIII

[jesuno]

Seifer006 wrote...

jesuno wrote...
I would say that the whole cast was pretty weak besides Auron. Especially Rikku.

yeah man. I agree. Wakka was annoying. Rikku just never shut up...reminds me a lot of vanille from XIII

Yeah man, other than that great game. But yeah, I feel that they wasted a generation, especially since they tend to stick to consoles. Usually if I am not impressed with a game in a generation (8, 11), there are two others that I could possibly get into. This gen, we were stuck with 3 game in 13's universe.

[Boiny Bunny]

Ghost Lightning wrote...

FFXIII > FFVI

Come at me

I can't tell if you're actually being serious, or just trying to provoke?

[Seifer006]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Ghost Lightning wrote...

FFXIII > FFVI

Come at me

I can't tell if you're actually being serious, or just trying to provoke?

at least with VI you had the exploration and total freedom to explore. hell the entire 2nd of the game was about side quests which added Richness to the in-depth story.

Understanding the past of Shadow
the past of Locke and Cyan
Strago and lets not forget Relm and the connection to Shadow

wow. VI had probably the best when comes to character development

[Boiny Bunny]

Seifer006 wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Ghost Lightning wrote...

FFXIII > FFVI

Come at me

I can't tell if you're actually being serious, or just trying to provoke?

at least with VI you had the exploration and total freedom to explore. hell the entire 2nd of the game was about side quests which added Richness to the in-depth story.

Understanding the past of Shadow
the past of Locke and Cyan
Strago and lets not forget Relm and the connection to Shadow

wow. VI had probably the best when comes to character development

I wasn't trying to provoke either - just kind of curious.  I'd be genuinely surprised to meet somebody who had played both FFVI and FFXIII to the very end, and thought XIII was the better overall game.  Would be very interested in why they thought that - provided they were capable of explaining in a fair and logical manner.

Ah well, I don't have much faith in SE anymore.  I miss having a new FF every few years, with a completely new cast of characters and settings, style of plot, etc.  Hard to believe that even they have locked themselves into the endless sequel bandwagon.  I wonder if all future FF games will be trilogies going forward...

Modifié par Boiny Bunny, 21 février 2013 - 05:21 .

[TheClonesLegacy]

I'll only add on this tidbit.
Kingdom Hearts 3.....Square, get on it already.

Modifié par TheClonesLegacy, 21 février 2013 - 05:00 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

jesuno wrote...
Ok, basing fantasy standards on real world standards is not the way to enjoy any fantasy setting.

When it comes to physics or magic? Maybe.

When it comes to characters and basic behavior? NO. Hell no.

Characters have to behave in a logical, relatable manner. Humans have to act like humans, talk like humans, etc... otherwise, why even bother with making them human in the first palce? And even if you don't - most of all they have to follow the basic principles of COMMON SENSE.

FF games are full of characters acting like someone reelased all the patients from the mental wards. From theads of powerfull organizations to the most incosequential characters - almost everyone acts like a bloody retard.

You got governments and military organizations that are incopetent to the extreeme, plans that are stupid as hell, supposedly smart characters acting like bricks..and on top of that, tons of contrieved and ubelievable chains of events.

I can go on and list specific events, but that list would never end.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 21 février 2013 - 11:17 .

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Roflbox wrote...

Final Fantasy 13 is worse than Mass Effect 3!

Easily, FFXIII has to be the worst game I played this generation, even worse than Duke Nukem or DA2.

[jesuno]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Ghost Lightning wrote...

FFXIII > FFVI

Come at me

I can't tell if you're actually being serious, or just trying to provoke?

at least with VI you had the exploration and total freedom to explore. hell the entire 2nd of the game was about side quests which added Richness to the in-depth story.

Understanding the past of Shadow
the past of Locke and Cyan
Strago and lets not forget Relm and the connection to Shadow

wow. VI had probably the best when comes to character development

I wasn't trying to provoke either - just kind of curious.  I'd be genuinely surprised to meet somebody who had played both FFVI and FFXIII to the very end, and thought XIII was the better overall game.  Would be very interested in why they thought that - provided they were capable of explaining in a fair and logical manner.

Ah well, I don't have much faith in SE anymore.  I miss having a new FF every few years, with a completely new cast of characters and settings, style of plot, etc.  Hard to believe that even they have locked themselves into the endless sequel bandwagon.  I wonder if all future FF games will be trilogies going forward...

No, he is serious. There is a small group that thinks that 13 is the best FF, even though they swear that people that disliked 13 are the "screaming vocal minority." But hey, like told him, some people decorate their houses with two liter bottles of their own urine, so to each their own.

[jesuno]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

jesuno wrote...
Ok, basing fantasy standards on real world standards is not the way to enjoy any fantasy setting.

When it comes to physics or magic? Maybe.

When it comes to characters and basic behavior? NO. Hell no.

Characters have to behave in a logical, relatable manner. Humans have to act like humans, talk like humans, etc... otherwise, why even bother with making them human in the first palce? And even if you don't - most of all they have to follow the basic principles of COMMON SENSE.

FF games are full of characters acting like someone reelased all the patients from the mental wards. From theads of powerfull organizations to the most incosequential characters - almost everyone acts like a bloody retard.

You got governments and military organizations that are incopetent to the extreeme, plans that are stupid as hell, supposedly smart characters acting like bricks..and on top of that, tons of contrieved and ubelievable chains of events.

I can go on and list specific events, but that list would never end.

Yeah, but you are speaking more character behavior and interaction, which I agree with. To me, the dialog and character interactions was one of the worst offenders of the game. The whole time my wife and I were yelling at the game in pain or laughing hard at some serious scene that was delivered poorly. Some people find this kind dialog endearing or comical (in the so bad it's good way), but I find it severely grating.

I think that one of the biggest failings of the FF (more so the recent ones) is that they do not include mature themes, so when you have these megalomaniac personalities with these Disney motives, it rings hollow.

[Overdosing]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

ZEGABITES wrote...

They have announced a KH MMO, which will likely flop.

.

Source please.

I think he means this.

Modifié par Overdosing, 23 février 2013 - 01:35 .

[Arcadian Legend]

^ So it's just an official browser game being made by another developer? Dunno how that suddenly means KH MMO.