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[upinya slayin]

so every challenge nets you 1 of 5 weapons. Lets see how they stack. In my opinion the N7 wepaosn should not be as good as URs but should be = to or better then their rare counterparts. This can be discussed as well if you'd like

Valkeryie - Its about equal to the argus if not a little better. not even close to the harrier, typhoon, or PPR though. I don't care fo it personally but i think it fits nicely into that spot

Valiant - Better then all the rare SRs IMO (harpoon, widow, etc) but not as good as the BW but pretty close. Hard to compare to the javelin but i don't think tis as good as the javelin but wouldn't argue if people like it better. fits nicely

Crusdaer - nedes a buff badly. Its outclassed by several rare shoguns (claymore, reegar, GPS, Graal, Pirhanna, etc) and outclassed by the wraith. It should at leats be able to compete with the rares but doens't. its too heavy, damage isn't great, doens't bypass shieldgate, has a bad ROF, and off host is difficult to make shots. This gun needs works and is probably the worst N7 wepaon by far

Eagle - Outclassed by the best pistols (acolyte and talon) but is unique as its the only automatic pistol and has the largets clip and does decent damage. its better then most SMGs as well. its uniqeness and the fact its better then a carnifex and even paladin on most set ups to me makes it fit nicely

Hurricane - here is the big one, this gun is possibly overall the best gun in the game on some kits. on a turian soldier no gun has the damage output. slap on a stability mod, AP rounds, and the mag and hjeat sink mods and OMG. you can fire forever and mow down bosses. it ouclasses every SMG by far including the UR CSMG. and due to this it mkaes eveyr N7 wepaon look bad. It does have alot of drawbacks though. small clip (20 bullets since it fires 2 per shot) high recoil, no built in AP. but with the right mods becomes insanely good.

Now i don't like nerfs personally so i'm not gonna call for a hurricane nerf, but to balance it out I think the CSMG shuld get a nice damage buff. I love the gun as is but it is outclassed by the hurricane in most situatioins. also the other N7 weapons need a buff to make them more even with the hurricane.

[Saints]

Ready for the big debate!

[tungstenKestrel]

Kishok/CSR/Widow > Valiant.

[Lucky]

The amount the hurricane outclasses every smg and every AR (besides typhoon, harrier, PPR and saber) is kinda ridiculous...

IMO just the Valkyrie and Valiant need some love. The eagle and crusader are pretty decent.

[Justinmiles19]

Ehhh I agree but with the right build they can be useful. Good post Slayin

[DeathScepter]

Hurricane is the Harrier of SMGs and many people will freak out if it got a nerf. As for me, I don't solely rely on 1 weapon


So Buff the **** out of Crusader and CSMG is what I do agree with you.

[rowan93]

Funny enough I used the hurricane on a turian soldier today and noticed it was pretty damn sweet. I still haven't got a Valkyrie, I want one so bad, its my weapon of choice in the single player.

[BjornDaDwarf]

upinya slayin wrote...

Crusdaer - nedes a buff badly. Its outclassed by several rare shoguns (claymore, reegar, GPS, Graal, Pirhanna, etc) and outclassed by the wraith. It should at leats be able to compete with the rares but doens't. its too heavy, damage isn't great, doens't bypass shieldgate, has a bad ROF, and off host is difficult to make shots. This gun needs works and is probably the worst N7 wepaon by far

On paper, the Crusader is one of the best guns in the game.  Its problem is the weird firing mechanic, resulting in too many missed shots.  No damage buff is ever going to overcome the dislike people have of how it works.  

Edited to add:  The Valiant is fine as well, though I wouldn't complain about a buff.  The Valiant is simply a more friendly gun to use than any of the "better" SRs.  Faster RoF and virtually no recoil make missing shots less punishing.  It's perfect for people who feel that they just suck with the Javeline or BW.

Modifié par BjornDaDwarf, 15 février 2013 - 09:52 .

[robarcool]

tungstenKestrel wrote...

Kishok/CSR/Widow > Valiant.

I don't like CSR, but I agree that on classes not giving a damn about weight, all rare SRs are better than valiant.

[Olivia Wilde]

Hurricane X rocks..Hurricane III sucked eggs

[tungstenKestrel]

Why not just take some points of damage off the Hurricane, and stick it on the CSMG? Problem solved.

If you have to buff every weapon to compete with a select few, maybe nerfing the omgsoguuuuud guns down to the other guns would probably be better. I mean, are they all underpowered, or are we just spoiled with the overpowered ones?

[Uchimura]

How would you rate the Valk in comparison to Saber?

[Tallgeese_VII]

Nerf Hurricane and change the name to Tropical Storm.

But really, Hurricane has a lot of disadvantage as well. I think it's pretty good at where it is now. CSMG damage buff will be nice though. It's oNly arguably better than tempest.

[upinya slayin]

tungstenKestrel wrote...

Kishok/CSR/Widow > Valiant.

I'd disagree with taht big time. and heres why

Kish**** - I love this gun. I really do. But the fact taht it cna't pierce anything. you have to arc shots and lead moving enemies due to its slow flight, for full damage you have to charge it and 20% is done in bleed damage its a hard to use but high gain gun. The valint has a high dmage output for an easy to sue gun. fats reload, 3 shots, high ROF, 0 recoil.

CSR - Good gun but if you overheat it your screwed. small clip as well so mostly burst fired. also it has limited range

Widow - high Damage Per shot but again the valiant does a good amount of damage and has 3 shots. its the only "bullet" based Rare SR taht has a 3 round clip. The viper has a 6 round clip but slow bullets and way less damage.
also what levels are you comparing? eveyrhting i have is at level X (except N7 weapons) and the valinat is an 8

[NYG1991]

I like the Csmg. I use it on alot of my caster classes and do fine with it. Only drawback is it requires the extended clip.

[Alijah Green]

Leave my Crusader alone, the only buff needed is the CSMG base capacity.

[Nicegil2012]

I know that the hurricane is probably the best SMG and that there are better shotguns than the crusader... but I use all the N7 weapons and my favorite is probably the Valkyrie because getting headshots with it is awesome and effficent.

[Ledgend1221]

Valiant needs a buff badly.
The Crusader, Eagle and Hurricane are all great weapons, but the Valiant lost it's edge.
A Widow X will serve you far better.

[lightswitch]

Promos should scale more than other weapons. So they can be better than everything else people starting out have but not as good as the rare and ultra rares, but by the time they reach level ten they should be awesome.

I mean, you have to stick with the game for a long, long time in order to get one of these things to level ten.

[Chi_Mangetsu]

Treat the Crusader as a sniper without a scope and you'll do just fine with it.

[ClockworkSpectre]

I agree some of the N7s need some lovin' bad, but I think the OPs assessment of the weapons is wrong.

-The Valkyrie is pretty much trash, it needs a damage buff, the head shot bonus buff was pointless due to recoil, unless you are right on top of your target.

-The Hurricane is awesome and is fine as is.

-The Eagle is actually not bad as it is, it is an extremely lightweight caster weapon, or sidearm, but it really could benefit from less recoil.

-The Valiant is not bad, but it needs something, just not sure what, it is not light weight but not heavy either. It has ok damage for its weight and fire rate, and has virtually no recoil. And It has pretty much instant reload

-The crusader has had many damage buffs, and would be perfect without its aim lag. Due to aim lag you can't even take advantage of its fire rate because of the recoil combined with aim lag.

Modifié par ClockworkSpectre, 15 février 2013 - 10:01 .

[holdenagincourt]

The Crusader just needs its aim lag fixed, and then I'll use it more often. No amount of buffs is going to make me want to use a gun that doesn't shoot where it's aiming, no matter how much Leonia42 or Eckswhyzed try to convince me. 

Valiant seems to benefit a lot from leveling up, as it seems to mark a nice midway point between Viper and Black Widow on the weight/damage+single clip DPS spectrum. Too bad mine is perpetually stuck at I on both platforms.

Does Eagle really need the amount of recoil it has now? I just use it on Turians because it's one of the few guns with poor stability but good accuracy. Would use pretty much any SMG but Shuriken on other kits though.

Valkyrie I would prefer to have a further weight decrease on (full spectrum, not just narrowing on the lower end) rather than further damage buffs (though those would not be unwelcome). It's still a bit too heavy, and I'd like to use it on more kits than I currently do. I still feel it needs ammo powers or a debuff class to really get the job done on later Gold waves.

Hurricane is OTT, but it is nice that low-weight classes get a few weapons that can pack a punch too. I wouldn't mind a damage nerf+accuracy buff, so that it wouldn't become ultimate cheese mode on the accuracy-boosting classes and would be a bit more versatile outside of short range with casters.

Modifié par holdenagincourt, 15 février 2013 - 09:59 .

[DcIhNaGv3z]

given the time-to-unlock commendation weapons, I think they all need some tweaking. Most are only so-so.

[upinya slayin]

Justinmiles19 wrote...

Ehhh I agree but with the right build they can be useful. Good post Slayin

Thanks

[Tallgeese_VII]

If anything Valiant should weight less.
It has similar weight with Harrier... and Harrier fits most of situation better.
While we are at it, make saber lighter too.